Topic: Trump takes over DC police and sends in national guard against citizens
Anonymous A started this discussion 5 months ago #128,248
Not a joke. It's a coup right before our eyes.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #1,382,841
I thought you had a well-armed militia to protect against such abuses of power?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 months ago, 23 seconds later, 1 minute after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,842
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 6 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,843
@1,382,841 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Well it turns out that they are probably no match for organized police or military. Also a lot of them probably agree with this anyway.
Well it turns out that they are probably no match for organized police or military. Also a lot of them probably agree with this anyway.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 7 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,844
@previous (C)
The government has hydrogen bombs that are powerful enough to kill everybody in an entire American state, but people think their guns will stop tyranny. Guns are legal in Russia, look how that worked out. Lol
The government has hydrogen bombs that are powerful enough to kill everybody in an entire American state, but people think their guns will stop tyranny. Guns are legal in Russia, look how that worked out. Lol
Meta joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,847
Sam joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,849
The coloreds will be more cautious.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,851
My friend denies the fascism because he either believes in democratic voting or enjoys the performative actions of protesting with like minded individuals who can make easy going jokes about our president.
I imagine myself snorkeling up to Canada through lake Superior when I really just like eating fudge.
I imagine myself snorkeling up to Canada through lake Superior when I really just like eating fudge.
Erik !saAqdaazn2 joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 21 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,854
How can it be a coup when he's already in charge?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 months ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,855
@previous (Erik !saAqdaazn2)
He is, in theory, bound by Congress and the courts. It's a coup because he is making himself dictator unbound to anyone.
He is, in theory, bound by Congress and the courts. It's a coup because he is making himself dictator unbound to anyone.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,857
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,859
The democratically elected leader controlling the capitol is not a "coup". It would be a coup if they weren't elected.
@1,382,844 (D)
The government wouldn't nuke their own city to control protests, they'd make concessions because it's so much easier. They'd hurt their own economy and invite more protests and foreign intervention if they tried using nukes.
The US could have used nukes in Vietnam, but they didn't. They choose to pull out instead, and those weren't even US citizens. Imagine how many people would be sympathetic if they were Americans.
@1,382,844 (D)
The government wouldn't nuke their own city to control protests, they'd make concessions because it's so much easier. They'd hurt their own economy and invite more protests and foreign intervention if they tried using nukes.
The US could have used nukes in Vietnam, but they didn't. They choose to pull out instead, and those weren't even US citizens. Imagine how many people would be sympathetic if they were Americans.
Anonymous J double-posted this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,861
@1,382,855 (A)
> He is, in theory, bound by Congress and the courts.
No, you don't know the law. He can declare an emergency for up to 30 days without congressional approval, and needs their consent after that time period.
> It's a coup because he is making himself dictator unbound to anyone.
Operating the executive branch is not a coup. Taking control of the courts unlawfully, or suspending congress would make it a coup.
> He is, in theory, bound by Congress and the courts.
No, you don't know the law. He can declare an emergency for up to 30 days without congressional approval, and needs their consent after that time period.
> It's a coup because he is making himself dictator unbound to anyone.
Operating the executive branch is not a coup. Taking control of the courts unlawfully, or suspending congress would make it a coup.
Anonymous J triple-posted this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,863
@1,382,857 (I)
A coup is when an unelected person or group takes control of the government.
How are you defining coup, because it doesn't match the dictionary definition.
A coup is when an unelected person or group takes control of the government.
How are you defining coup, because it doesn't match the dictionary definition.
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 3 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,864
@1,382,859 (J)
The Supreme Court has ruled in the past that succession is illegal and statehood is eternal. If a state ever tried to succeed from the United States, there are nuclear weapons distributed throughout the United States, but they can only be launched by the president, so more than likely that would be a trump card for the federal government. But you’re free to believe whatever you want.
The Supreme Court has ruled in the past that succession is illegal and statehood is eternal. If a state ever tried to succeed from the United States, there are nuclear weapons distributed throughout the United States, but they can only be launched by the president, so more than likely that would be a trump card for the federal government. But you’re free to believe whatever you want.
Anonymous I double-posted this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,865
@1,382,861 (J)
> > He is, in theory, bound by Congress and the courts.
>
> No, you don't know the law. He can declare an emergency for up to 30 days without congressional approval, and needs their consent after that time period.
The word dictator comes from Latin. Originally, in Ancient Rome, "dictator" was a title the emperor had during a state of emergency when the emperor would temporarily have absolute control. Until Julius Caesar declared himself dictator for life which is where the modern negative connotation comes from. So it’s really ironic you just said that.
> > He is, in theory, bound by Congress and the courts.
>
> No, you don't know the law. He can declare an emergency for up to 30 days without congressional approval, and needs their consent after that time period.
The word dictator comes from Latin. Originally, in Ancient Rome, "dictator" was a title the emperor had during a state of emergency when the emperor would temporarily have absolute control. Until Julius Caesar declared himself dictator for life which is where the modern negative connotation comes from. So it’s really ironic you just said that.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 18 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,866
@1,382,864 (I)
Land of the free, can't choose to leave the apparently democratic Union of states of which you're a part.
Land of the free, can't choose to leave the apparently democratic Union of states of which you're a part.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,867
@1,382,864 (I)
> The Supreme Court has ruled in the past that succession is illegal and statehood is eternal.
Presumably you mean secession.
> If a state ever tried to succeed from the United States
Secede. States should try to succeed, lol.
> there are nuclear weapons distributed throughout the United States, but they can only be launched by the president, so more than likely that would be a trump card for the federal government. But you’re free to believe whatever you want.
That would permanently damage the state they are trying to take back, and the fallout would reach nearby states. There's many better options.
> The Supreme Court has ruled in the past that succession is illegal and statehood is eternal.
Presumably you mean secession.
> If a state ever tried to succeed from the United States
Secede. States should try to succeed, lol.
> there are nuclear weapons distributed throughout the United States, but they can only be launched by the president, so more than likely that would be a trump card for the federal government. But you’re free to believe whatever you want.
That would permanently damage the state they are trying to take back, and the fallout would reach nearby states. There's many better options.
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 23 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,868
@1,382,863 (J)
> A coup is when an unelected person or group takes control of the government.
>
> How are you defining coup, because it doesn't match the dictionary definition.
Some white people want to live under a dictatorship because rich people told them their problems are caused by minorities and they’re uneducated so they don’t know what happened the last time those ideas were put into practice. (London bombed, Berlin bombed, Warsaw flattened, Dresden burned, Tokyo burned, Hiroshima nuked, Nagasaki nuked, etc.) They think if the authoritarians get rid of all the brown people their lives will be better, but what they don’t realize is they’re going to be the ones getting drafted.
> A coup is when an unelected person or group takes control of the government.
>
> How are you defining coup, because it doesn't match the dictionary definition.
Some white people want to live under a dictatorship because rich people told them their problems are caused by minorities and they’re uneducated so they don’t know what happened the last time those ideas were put into practice. (London bombed, Berlin bombed, Warsaw flattened, Dresden burned, Tokyo burned, Hiroshima nuked, Nagasaki nuked, etc.) They think if the authoritarians get rid of all the brown people their lives will be better, but what they don’t realize is they’re going to be the ones getting drafted.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 3 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,869
@1,382,865 (I)
Dictator as a title was during the republic, the emperors were always absolute monarchs. JC was kind of a proto emperor in that he declared himself dictator for life, but he died during the last days of the republic, the first emperor actually being his adopted son.
Dictator as a title was during the republic, the emperors were always absolute monarchs. JC was kind of a proto emperor in that he declared himself dictator for life, but he died during the last days of the republic, the first emperor actually being his adopted son.
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,870
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 12 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,871
@1,382,865 (I)
And just like in ancient Rome, declaring an emergency doesn't make it a coup, because there are laws that allow a leader to expand power in some situations. In both countries, these were limited to a specific period of time.
Following a law passed by congress, and staying within that time limit, is not a coup. In a trivial historical sense, it may fit the definition of "dictator" yes, but that doesn't mean it's an unlawful seizure of power.
And just like in ancient Rome, declaring an emergency doesn't make it a coup, because there are laws that allow a leader to expand power in some situations. In both countries, these were limited to a specific period of time.
Following a law passed by congress, and staying within that time limit, is not a coup. In a trivial historical sense, it may fit the definition of "dictator" yes, but that doesn't mean it's an unlawful seizure of power.
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 57 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,872
@previous (J)
Declaring an emergency when there is no emergency is pretty dumb though if that’s not what you’re trying to do.
Declaring an emergency when there is no emergency is pretty dumb though if that’s not what you’re trying to do.
Anonymous I double-posted this 5 months ago, 32 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,874
I can pull the fire alarm right now.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,878
@1,382,872 (I)
DC has a homicide rate almost double the #1 state for homicides.
If people are dying at twice the next one down the list, that's an emergency.
DC has a homicide rate almost double the #1 state for homicides.
If people are dying at twice the next one down the list, that's an emergency.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 47 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,879
@1,382,870 (I)
> "dictator" was a title the emperor had during a state of emergency when the emperor would temporarily have absolute control.
This is not correct
> "dictator" was a title the emperor had during a state of emergency when the emperor would temporarily have absolute control.
This is not correct
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 4 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,880
@1,382,878 (J)
That’s not an emergency idiot. There’s always going to be a city with the #1 murder rate.
That’s not an emergency idiot. There’s always going to be a city with the #1 murder rate.
Anonymous I double-posted this 5 months ago, 26 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,881
@1,382,879 (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
The part of it that’s not correct is irrelevant to the point.
The part of it that’s not correct is irrelevant to the point.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 9 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,882
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 40 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,883
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 8 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,884
@1,382,881 (I)
Nobody cares about your point, however we all care about correct facts about the politics of the Roman empire.
Nobody cares about your point, however we all care about correct facts about the politics of the Roman empire.
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 27 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,885
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 25 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,887
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 9 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,888
If you don’t care about my point, then shut up. I’m going to make my point, if you don’t care, why are you talking to me?
Anonymous I double-posted this 5 months ago, 19 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,889
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 8 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,890
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 33 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,891
@1,382,880 (I)
People dying when they don't have to is an emergency.
The extra deaths DC has compared to the state with the #1 homicide rate is more than most natural disasters will cause. A hurricane takes fewer casualties than one year of DC.
People dying when they don't have to is an emergency.
The extra deaths DC has compared to the state with the #1 homicide rate is more than most natural disasters will cause. A hurricane takes fewer casualties than one year of DC.
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 7 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,892
@1,382,890 (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
> Scorpius Africanus is going to campaign on you so hard for this transgression
Where’d you get that from? Dungeons and dragons? Talk like a normal person.
> Scorpius Africanus is going to campaign on you so hard for this transgression
Where’d you get that from? Dungeons and dragons? Talk like a normal person.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 8 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,893
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU double-posted this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,894
Anonymous I replied with this 5 months ago, 9 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,895
@1,382,891 (J)
200 murders per year out of 700,000 people means you have a 0.03% chance of being murdered each year as a resident of DC.
200 murders per year out of 700,000 people means you have a 0.03% chance of being murdered each year as a resident of DC.
Anonymous I double-posted this 5 months ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,896
@previous (I)
> 200 murders per year out of 700,000 people means you have a 0.03% chance of being murdered each year as a resident of DC.
P(p happens at least once given n trials) = 1 - (1 - p)^n
If p is 0.03% (0.0003 as a decimal), in order for P(at least once) to equal 0.5 or a 50% chance of getting murdered n has to be 2,310.
1-(1-0.0003)^2310 = 0.49997839465
That means as a DC resident, you could live in DC for 2,310 years and you’d only have a 1 in 2 chance of getting murdered in that timespan. That’s not a fucking emergency.
> 200 murders per year out of 700,000 people means you have a 0.03% chance of being murdered each year as a resident of DC.
P(p happens at least once given n trials) = 1 - (1 - p)^n
If p is 0.03% (0.0003 as a decimal), in order for P(at least once) to equal 0.5 or a 50% chance of getting murdered n has to be 2,310.
1-(1-0.0003)^2310 = 0.49997839465
That means as a DC resident, you could live in DC for 2,310 years and you’d only have a 1 in 2 chance of getting murdered in that timespan. That’s not a fucking emergency.
Anonymous I triple-posted this 5 months ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,898
To be honest, I’d take a 0.03% chance of dying per day over whatever my odds of dying now are, because I’d almost certainly live to be the oldest person in the history of the world.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 5 months ago, 28 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,901
Reality: Trump is sending military against civilians and taking control of the police to send the homeless to concentration camps.
Minichan (in a whiny, Autistic voice): TECHNICALLY, a coup is...
Minichan (in a whiny, Autistic voice): TECHNICALLY, a coup is...
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 22 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,904
@1,382,895 (I)
200 deaths each year is an emergency. It may just be numbers to you, but those are actual lives.
200 deaths each year is an emergency. It may just be numbers to you, but those are actual lives.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,906
@previous (J)
I cleared my cookies, but I’m the same person.
If it’s news to you that people die, then you need to grow up.
I cleared my cookies, but I’m the same person.
If it’s news to you that people die, then you need to grow up.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 8 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,907
@1,382,901 (A)
> Minichan (in a whiny, Autistic voice): TECHNICALLY, a coup is...
The definitions for words actually matters. Don't say he is seizing power when he won the election.
> Reality: Trump is sending military against civilians and taking control of the police to send the homeless to concentration camps.
All detainment centers "concentrate" people in an area, so are you using the technical definition that people are living in a concentrated area?
Obviously you're trying to use a phrase associated with Nazi death camps, but you'll defend this with the whiny "🤓☝️ actually" language you just complained about.
Difference being you're using deceptive language, but coup doesn't have this split meaning.
> Minichan (in a whiny, Autistic voice): TECHNICALLY, a coup is...
The definitions for words actually matters. Don't say he is seizing power when he won the election.
> Reality: Trump is sending military against civilians and taking control of the police to send the homeless to concentration camps.
All detainment centers "concentrate" people in an area, so are you using the technical definition that people are living in a concentrated area?
Obviously you're trying to use a phrase associated with Nazi death camps, but you'll defend this with the whiny "🤓☝️ actually" language you just complained about.
Difference being you're using deceptive language, but coup doesn't have this split meaning.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 39 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,908
You might argue that any amount of murders a year is an emergency. Therefore the entire world is always an emergency.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,909
@1,382,906 (L)
> If it’s news to you that people die, then you need to grow up.
I didn't say it was new or shocking, if anything the length this has been going on while everyone had access to the stats shows the real problem. People were dying, and it was being ignored.
Now Trump is acting to fix that emergency, which the law allows him to do for up to 30 days.
> If it’s news to you that people die, then you need to grow up.
I didn't say it was new or shocking, if anything the length this has been going on while everyone had access to the stats shows the real problem. People were dying, and it was being ignored.
Now Trump is acting to fix that emergency, which the law allows him to do for up to 30 days.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 26 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,910
@1,382,907 (J)
The United States had concentration camps during World War Two it’s not only associated with the Nazis.
The United States had concentration camps during World War Two it’s not only associated with the Nazis.
Anonymous L double-posted this 5 months ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,912
@1,382,909 (J)
Do you not understand math? If there’s a 0.03% chance of you dying every year, you’ll outlive everyone in the world by a factor of 10.
Do you not understand math? If there’s a 0.03% chance of you dying every year, you’ll outlive everyone in the world by a factor of 10.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 20 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,913
@1,382,910 (L)
Concentration camp is most associated with Nazi death camps.
The reason historical terminology has used "internment" instead of "concentration" is to give some distinction to the fact that America's own camps were categorically different than what the Nazis did.
Calling them concentration camps is implicitly deceptive, and is a form of equivocation fallacy.
Concentration camp is most associated with Nazi death camps.
The reason historical terminology has used "internment" instead of "concentration" is to give some distinction to the fact that America's own camps were categorically different than what the Nazis did.
Calling them concentration camps is implicitly deceptive, and is a form of equivocation fallacy.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 52 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,914
@previous (J)
The Nazi concentration camps were also death camps. I’m not saying the camps for Japanese Americans were death camps, but they were concentration camps.
The Nazi concentration camps were also death camps. I’m not saying the camps for Japanese Americans were death camps, but they were concentration camps.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 3 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,915
@1,382,912 (L)
That sounds just like when a hurricane happens hundreds of miles away, but I also choose to support those emergency declarations.
You shouldn't need to be personally affected to know it's a problem that society needs to address. In this situation, increasing law enforcement is how you do that.
That sounds just like when a hurricane happens hundreds of miles away, but I also choose to support those emergency declarations.
You shouldn't need to be personally affected to know it's a problem that society needs to address. In this situation, increasing law enforcement is how you do that.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,916
@previous (J)
Well a hurricane is fundamentally different because a hurricane can cause property damage even if it’s not necessarily a threat to your life so people need to be warned to do things like board up their windows so they don’t have to buy new windows.
Well a hurricane is fundamentally different because a hurricane can cause property damage even if it’s not necessarily a threat to your life so people need to be warned to do things like board up their windows so they don’t have to buy new windows.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 3 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,917
@1,382,914 (L)
It's inflammatory language, and that terminology is used by the same people who call anything related to Trump Naziism.
You're watering down terms, not showing that these detainment centers are actually bad.
It's inflammatory language, and that terminology is used by the same people who call anything related to Trump Naziism.
You're watering down terms, not showing that these detainment centers are actually bad.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 26 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,918
Also the reason why so few people die from hurricanes is partially due to the warnings in the first place since people tend to evacuate the area.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 15 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,919
@1,382,916 (L)
Emergency powers for hurricanes are due in large part to the potential loss of life, but if you want to focus on property damage DC is also seeing very high levels of that compared to the 50 states.
Emergency powers for hurricanes are due in large part to the potential loss of life, but if you want to focus on property damage DC is also seeing very high levels of that compared to the 50 states.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 30 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,920
@1,382,917 (J)
If it’s a concentration camp, then it’s a concentration camp. Words mean things. If you think a concentration camp is bad because you associate it with Nazis and you think Nazis are bad that’s your problem.
If it’s a concentration camp, then it’s a concentration camp. Words mean things. If you think a concentration camp is bad because you associate it with Nazis and you think Nazis are bad that’s your problem.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 16 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,921
@1,382,918 (L)
Trump gave a warning for the homeless to get off the street. They can find a shelter, or cooperate with police as they take control over a neighborhood.
Trump gave a warning for the homeless to get off the street. They can find a shelter, or cooperate with police as they take control over a neighborhood.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 23 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,922
Anonymous L double-posted this 5 months ago, 39 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,923
Anonymous L triple-posted this 5 months ago, 34 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,924
It’s actually one of my favorite cities. If you think DC is equivalent to a hurricane something’s wrong with you.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 30 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,925
@1,382,920 (L)
> If it’s a concentration camp, then it’s a concentration camp. Words mean things.
It is, but technically fitting a label doesn't mean it's actually harmful.
Homeless shelters are concentration camps even outside the context of the DC emergency.
> If you think a concentration camp is bad because you associate it with Nazis and you think Nazis are bad that’s your problem.
Everyone knows the connection. Pretending you don't and focusing on the terms separately is bad faith.
> If it’s a concentration camp, then it’s a concentration camp. Words mean things.
It is, but technically fitting a label doesn't mean it's actually harmful.
Homeless shelters are concentration camps even outside the context of the DC emergency.
> If you think a concentration camp is bad because you associate it with Nazis and you think Nazis are bad that’s your problem.
Everyone knows the connection. Pretending you don't and focusing on the terms separately is bad faith.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 17 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,926
Can we also acknowledge for a second that there weren’t any emergencies until Trump came in and now everything’s on fire all the time apparently?
Anonymous L double-posted this 5 months ago, 48 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,927
@1,382,925 (J)
People also connect Germany with the holocaust. Does that mean I can’t call a German a German now because it makes them sound like Nazis? Your argument makes no sense.
People also connect Germany with the holocaust. Does that mean I can’t call a German a German now because it makes them sound like Nazis? Your argument makes no sense.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 16 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,928
@1,382,922 (L)
The stats don't change based on which of us has been there.
@1,382,923 (L)
You said the emergency was to get people to move, and that's true here too.
@1,382,924 (L)
People dying from homicide is just as urgent as people dying from a hurricane.
The emergency declaration won't make DC go away, it will just allow crime to be curtailed.
The stats don't change based on which of us has been there.
@1,382,923 (L)
You said the emergency was to get people to move, and that's true here too.
@1,382,924 (L)
People dying from homicide is just as urgent as people dying from a hurricane.
The emergency declaration won't make DC go away, it will just allow crime to be curtailed.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 11 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,929
Your argument is basically "concentration camps sound bad but Trump is good so you can’t say things that make him sound bad."
Anonymous L double-posted this 5 months ago, 54 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,930
Why are you even taking to me about concentration camps? I don’t remember saying anything about it until you brought it up.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 39 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,931
@1,382,927 (L)
Germany isn't solely associated with the holocaust in the way "concentration camps" are. Any other form of detainment uses different terminology, unless it's a melodramatic leftist.
Germany isn't solely associated with the holocaust in the way "concentration camps" are. Any other form of detainment uses different terminology, unless it's a melodramatic leftist.
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Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 17 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,932
Anonymous L double-posted this 5 months ago, 28 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,933
@1,382,931 (J)
Concentration camps aren’t either idiot I just gave you an example of a country other than Nazi Germany that had them.
Concentration camps aren’t either idiot I just gave you an example of a country other than Nazi Germany that had them.
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Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 54 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,934
@1,382,929 (L)
No, I'm saying that if you want to attack the plan you should give actual reasons instead of using fearmongering labels.
@1,382,930 (L)
Find the first place I said it, and click on the citation if you really want to know, the whole conversation is on this page.
No, I'm saying that if you want to attack the plan you should give actual reasons instead of using fearmongering labels.
@1,382,930 (L)
Find the first place I said it, and click on the citation if you really want to know, the whole conversation is on this page.
Anonymous J double-posted this 5 months ago, 49 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,935
@1,382,933 (L)
No, we went over that, and any coverage of that calls them "internment camps" because of the obvious association with "concentration camps".
No, we went over that, and any coverage of that calls them "internment camps" because of the obvious association with "concentration camps".
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 3 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,936
Anonymous L double-posted this 5 months ago, 34 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,937
@1,382,935 (J)
Yeah, they call them internment camps because concentration camp sounds bad and they don’t want to make America look bad. I know that, what’s your point?
Yeah, they call them internment camps because concentration camp sounds bad and they don’t want to make America look bad. I know that, what’s your point?
Anonymous L triple-posted this 5 months ago, 38 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,938
In China, they call them reeducation camps. So what?
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,939
@1,382,937 (L)
Standard curriculum in most places acknowledges the difference.
Even in America, internment camps are taught critically. Public schools talk about the bad in America constantly, and even leftist teachers will avoid calling it that because it diminishes the term.
Standard curriculum in most places acknowledges the difference.
Even in America, internment camps are taught critically. Public schools talk about the bad in America constantly, and even leftist teachers will avoid calling it that because it diminishes the term.
Anonymous J double-posted this 5 months ago, 37 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,940
@1,382,938 (L)
Reeducation camps aren't as bad as death camps. It's actually good they don't use the same terminology.
Reeducation camps aren't as bad as death camps. It's actually good they don't use the same terminology.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 45 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,941
@previous (J)
I said that death camps are concentration camps but concentration camps aren’t death camps. You’re confusing something that’s really not complex.
I said that death camps are concentration camps but concentration camps aren’t death camps. You’re confusing something that’s really not complex.
Anonymous L double-posted this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,943
@1,382,940 (J)
> Reeducation camps aren't as bad as death camps. It's actually good they don't use the same terminology.
It’s really ironic that you’re trying so hard to defend this you just justified Chinese communist propaganda.
> Reeducation camps aren't as bad as death camps. It's actually good they don't use the same terminology.
It’s really ironic that you’re trying so hard to defend this you just justified Chinese communist propaganda.
Anonymous L triple-posted this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,944
It’s "actually good" the Chinese communist party calls concentration camps "reeducation camps" you know you don’t believe that.
Anonymous L quadruple-posted this 5 months ago, 29 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,945
…at least I hope you don’t, because if you do you’re a lost cause.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 13 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,946
@1,382,941 (L)
> I said that death camps are concentration camps but concentration camps aren’t death camps.
Yes, we both know.
> You’re confusing something that’s really not complex.
I didn't confuse them, I pointed out that that term is reserved for the holocaust, even when people criticize other forms of camps where people are concentrated.
Internment camp, and reeducation center are used because they're fundamentally different than what people immediately associate with "concentration camp".
You're being pedantic, you know what the problem is.
> I said that death camps are concentration camps but concentration camps aren’t death camps.
Yes, we both know.
> You’re confusing something that’s really not complex.
I didn't confuse them, I pointed out that that term is reserved for the holocaust, even when people criticize other forms of camps where people are concentrated.
Internment camp, and reeducation center are used because they're fundamentally different than what people immediately associate with "concentration camp".
You're being pedantic, you know what the problem is.
Anonymous J double-posted this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,947
@1,382,944 (L)
I didn't say it was good, I said there's a good reason they don't call them concentration camps.
They aren't committing mass murder in Chinese reeducation camps, so using the same language isn't warranted. Even if you're technically correct, it's autistic and pedantic to use that phrase.
I didn't say it was good, I said there's a good reason they don't call them concentration camps.
They aren't committing mass murder in Chinese reeducation camps, so using the same language isn't warranted. Even if you're technically correct, it's autistic and pedantic to use that phrase.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,948
@previous (J)
During the cultural revolution people definitely died in Chinese reeducation camps. One of Xi Jinping’s sisters Xi Heping died in one.
During the cultural revolution people definitely died in Chinese reeducation camps. One of Xi Jinping’s sisters Xi Heping died in one.
Meta replied with this 5 months ago, 19 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,949
@1,382,946 (J)
How could the term "concentration camp" be "reserved for the Holocaust" when the former predates the latter by about 40 years???
How could the term "concentration camp" be "reserved for the Holocaust" when the former predates the latter by about 40 years???
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 39 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,950
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,951
@1,382,948 (L)
People die in jails, where people are concentrated intentionally. In either case, the place isn't designed to kill off a group.
@1,382,949 (Meta)
Easy, it wasn't reserved for 40 years, and then when it happened there was a linguistic shift because that type of atrocity tends to affect culture.
@previous (L)
No, I never did, but that's the association in the culture.
The only reason to insist on that language is to prime people with emotional language while hiding behind technicalities. Two words can have their meaning changed when combined into a two-word term.
People die in jails, where people are concentrated intentionally. In either case, the place isn't designed to kill off a group.
@1,382,949 (Meta)
Easy, it wasn't reserved for 40 years, and then when it happened there was a linguistic shift because that type of atrocity tends to affect culture.
@previous (L)
No, I never did, but that's the association in the culture.
The only reason to insist on that language is to prime people with emotional language while hiding behind technicalities. Two words can have their meaning changed when combined into a two-word term.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,952
@previous (J)
> People die in jails, where people are concentrated intentionally. In either case, the place isn't designed to kill off a group.
Can we just take a moment to acknowledge the absurdity of a Trump supporter justifying the Chinese cultural revolution for a second?
> People die in jails, where people are concentrated intentionally. In either case, the place isn't designed to kill off a group.
Can we just take a moment to acknowledge the absurdity of a Trump supporter justifying the Chinese cultural revolution for a second?
Anonymous L double-posted this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,953
Quite the change from any death is an emergency. Lol
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 10 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,957
@1,382,952 (L)
> > People die in jails, where people are concentrated intentionally. In either case, the place isn't designed to kill off a group.
>
> Can we just take a moment to acknowledge the absurdity of a Trump supporter justifying the Chinese cultural revolution for a second?
I never justified it.
> > People die in jails, where people are concentrated intentionally. In either case, the place isn't designed to kill off a group.
>
> Can we just take a moment to acknowledge the absurdity of a Trump supporter justifying the Chinese cultural revolution for a second?
I never justified it.
Anonymous G replied with this 5 months ago, 39 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,958
Labor camps
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 54 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,960
@1,382,953 (L)
I didn't say that either, I said the opposite: murder will happen in any society.
Preventable murders, because of a lack of law enforcement, is something that needs to be addressed.
You can lower the homicide rate with patrols. You can't eliminate all murder, even with a police state.
I didn't say that either, I said the opposite: murder will happen in any society.
Preventable murders, because of a lack of law enforcement, is something that needs to be addressed.
You can lower the homicide rate with patrols. You can't eliminate all murder, even with a police state.
Anonymous J double-posted this 5 months ago, 42 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,961
@1,382,958 (G)
Universal meaning: a place where people are forced to work.
Doesn't really apply to the DC situation.
Universal meaning: a place where people are forced to work.
Doesn't really apply to the DC situation.
Anonymous L replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,962
@1,382,960 (J)
I have absolutely no idea what made you the way that you are, but you seem overly ideological and overly defensive. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t matter what I say you’re never going to change your mind. I don’t know why you are that way, but I can’t say I find it impressive.
I have absolutely no idea what made you the way that you are, but you seem overly ideological and overly defensive. I’m pretty sure it doesn’t matter what I say you’re never going to change your mind. I don’t know why you are that way, but I can’t say I find it impressive.
Anonymous J replied with this 5 months ago, 55 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,382,970
Erik !saAqdaazn2 replied with this 5 months ago, 2 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,163
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 4 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,311
Give the homeless a place to live = evil
Stopping murders = dictatorial
Stopping murders = dictatorial
Erik !saAqdaazn2 replied with this 5 months ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,329
100 Get
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 months ago, 19 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,334
@1,382,865 (I)
The Romans Emperors did not become Dictators, the Emperors came after the position of Dictator.
The position of Dictator existed during the Roman Republic, and was an emergency position wherein a member of the Roman Senate could temporarily take absolute power in a time of crisis. The Emperors already had absolute power, essentially, so there was no need for them to use the position of Dictator again.
The Romans Emperors did not become Dictators, the Emperors came after the position of Dictator.
The position of Dictator existed during the Roman Republic, and was an emergency position wherein a member of the Roman Senate could temporarily take absolute power in a time of crisis. The Emperors already had absolute power, essentially, so there was no need for them to use the position of Dictator again.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 6 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,337
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Careful, he might get angry at you got correcting his fake news.
Careful, he might get angry at you got correcting his fake news.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 months ago, 18 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,341
@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
Oh I'm not engaged with this at all, I just wanted to correct his misrepresentation of Roman history. I understand how someone who isn't familiar with it could say that the Emperors became Dictators, but if you do know a bit it's a pretty egregious mistake!
Oh I'm not engaged with this at all, I just wanted to correct his misrepresentation of Roman history. I understand how someone who isn't familiar with it could say that the Emperors became Dictators, but if you do know a bit it's a pretty egregious mistake!
Erik !saAqdaazn2 replied with this 5 months ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,343
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
What was that really obscure book you were reading about the economy of Rome?
What was that really obscure book you were reading about the economy of Rome?
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,344
@1,383,341 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
I agree, however I was very heavily flamed earlier in the thread for correcting this terrible and unforgivable error.
I agree, however I was very heavily flamed earlier in the thread for correcting this terrible and unforgivable error.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 3 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,352
@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
> unforgivable error.
You mean when your mother forgot to abort your autistic ass?
> unforgivable error.
You mean when your mother forgot to abort your autistic ass?
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 8 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,354
@previous (N)
My mother may have forgotten to abort my autistic ass, but at least she knows who Julius Caesar is
My mother may have forgotten to abort my autistic ass, but at least she knows who Julius Caesar is
Anonymous N replied with this 5 months ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,356
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 5 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,359
@previous (N)"Here, in the neon-lit backwater of the global network, we encounter the common African — a user of prodigious stamina and, equally, prodigious emotion. Observe now, as this primate, with no immediate provocation, hammers at his keyboard in furious succession, each post more capitalised than the last. To the casual observer, it may seem irrational… but to the African, it is a sacred duty.
*You see, the African is a creature of long memory and fierce feeling. These traits, when roused by the faintest whiff of disagreement, give rise to what researchers have dubbed ‘thread rage’ — a state in which the African will return, again and again, to the same post, convinced that this is the hill upon which he must die.
It is here, in the endless scroll of text and the echo of dial-up tones, that we see the true nature of the African: not guided by logic, nor tempered by time, but driven by a primal and unrelenting storm of emotion. And so he posts… and posts… and posts… until, at last, the server times out, and silence returns to Minichan once more."
Anonymous N replied with this 5 months ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,361
@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
An AI generated poem about Africans and a picture of an old white dude to help me visualize how black I am?
An AI generated poem about Africans and a picture of an old white dude to help me visualize how black I am?
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,363
Anonymous N replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,365
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 28 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,366
Anonymous N replied with this 5 months ago, 50 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,367
You always go on these weird pretentious nerdy tangents. I feel like I’m talking to some skinny pale dungeons and dragons nerd with freckles who wonders why the priest touched him when he was a kid.
Anonymous N double-posted this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,368
How do you not cringe at the way you talk? I feel second hand embarrassment when I read the way you write.
Anonymous N triple-posted this 5 months ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,370
You probably eat your own dandruff and think you’re an elf.
Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU replied with this 5 months ago, 49 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,377
Such a Carlton way to respond. I bet you're one of those DBZ negroes.
T-34 joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,379
@previous (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
Idk what DBZ stands for so I honestly couldn’t tell you whether you’re correct or incorrect. I don’t keep up with autistic white boy slang.
Idk what DBZ stands for so I honestly couldn’t tell you whether you’re correct or incorrect. I don’t keep up with autistic white boy slang.
T-34 double-posted this 5 months ago, 44 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,381
Personally, I think your an XYZLGHDTV with no BBC.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 6 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,384
@1,382,855 (A)
> He is, in theory, bound by Congress and the courts. It's a coup because he is making himself dictator unbound to anyone.
Under our current Supreme Court, he has been appointed the King of USA will a total right to bypass the US Constitution. They have made Trump a Dictator and no one can deny that. He is allowed to be such. Of course he could again be impeached but with the current congress he would again be acquitted.
> He is, in theory, bound by Congress and the courts. It's a coup because he is making himself dictator unbound to anyone.
Under our current Supreme Court, he has been appointed the King of USA will a total right to bypass the US Constitution. They have made Trump a Dictator and no one can deny that. He is allowed to be such. Of course he could again be impeached but with the current congress he would again be acquitted.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 5 months ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,385
@1,383,344 (Oatmeal Fucker !BYUc1TwJMU)
You were and that is shameful, but we have actually won the debate by being more knowledgeable about Roman history. You actually explained it a bit better than I did, even, so props there.
Emperors temporarily becoming Dictators... That's like saying, I don't know, that Teddy Roosevelt was the President who ended slavery.
@1,383,343 (Erik !saAqdaazn2)
I haven't read any books about Roman economics, but I'd like to.
But I did recently finish this absolute banger, which is sort of about the economy.
You were and that is shameful, but we have actually won the debate by being more knowledgeable about Roman history. You actually explained it a bit better than I did, even, so props there.
Emperors temporarily becoming Dictators... That's like saying, I don't know, that Teddy Roosevelt was the President who ended slavery.
@1,383,343 (Erik !saAqdaazn2)
I haven't read any books about Roman economics, but I'd like to.
But I did recently finish this absolute banger, which is sort of about the economy.
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T-34 joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,386
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 5 months ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,383,858
United States of America? United?
Hahahahaha