Topic: What's your stance on piracy?
Triptych !LightPenis started this discussion 15 years ago #12,798
Mostly asking because I started talking to someone in a small band from a small town near here, and they didn't mind me not paying for their music at all. So I wanna see where everyone else stands on it.
The Editor !FuckWtfW8M joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later[^] [v] #230,403
Pro-choice.
Fox !FXYGNx1XR. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #230,404
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 35 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #230,420
I find it bad that musicians expect to get paid over and over again for one thing, sell a single, than sell an album, than remaster it and sell again...
It's not like an architecht gets paid every time someone enters the building he designed...
Musicians should earn money like everyone else, working (gigs, concerts etc.)
Software wise it's more complicated... but hey, I do what I want cause a pirate is free :D
It's not like an architecht gets paid every time someone enters the building he designed...
Musicians should earn money like everyone else, working (gigs, concerts etc.)
Software wise it's more complicated... but hey, I do what I want cause a pirate is free :D
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #230,424
@previous (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
It's not more complicated. If it's more complicated it's because your philosophy is retarded (which it is btw, seems to be based entirely upon jealousy).
The current business model is unsustainable. We probably would have moved on to a new business paradigm if it wasn't for statist coercion.
It's not more complicated. If it's more complicated it's because your philosophy is retarded (which it is btw, seems to be based entirely upon jealousy).
The current business model is unsustainable. We probably would have moved on to a new business paradigm if it wasn't for statist coercion.
Triptych !LightPenis (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #230,425
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #230,427
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 15 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #230,440
@230,424 (E)
It is more complicated.
Let's take adobe premiere pro and avrils skater boy for example. I bought both legit and own them now.
I film some stuff at the skatepark and edit a nice movie in the software I bought with the song I bought and now I'll sell it on DVD...
Adobe won't mind cause that's how the world works, but avrils label will hang me on my balls making me pay some more for something I already bought.
It is more complicated.
Let's take adobe premiere pro and avrils skater boy for example. I bought both legit and own them now.
I film some stuff at the skatepark and edit a nice movie in the software I bought with the song I bought and now I'll sell it on DVD...
Adobe won't mind cause that's how the world works, but avrils label will hang me on my balls making me pay some more for something I already bought.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 48 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,459
!hEyBrieeXM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,460
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,462
@230,459 (E)
I told you why I pirate music and not software... but even for music I have spotify premium.
I told you why I pirate music and not software... but even for music I have spotify premium.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,463
@previous (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
No, you didn't... lol. You gave no reason why you don't pirate software.
No, you didn't... lol. You gave no reason why you don't pirate software.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 32 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,472
I'm pretty indifferent to it, really. It's gonna happen one way or another.
dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,539
i agree with notch
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,547
I'm fine with it for personal use, but I'm against commercial piracy.
!hEyBrieeXM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 29 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,548
@230,539 (dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46)
For the unaware, Notch's stance on piracy is that people do it because it makes sense and that instead of attempting to lock down the bits of data, people should make their money by providing a service around the bits of data.
For the unaware, Notch's stance on piracy is that people do it because it makes sense and that instead of attempting to lock down the bits of data, people should make their money by providing a service around the bits of data.
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Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,623
@230,547 (I)
What is your justification for this position?
@previous (!hEyBrieeXM)
This is an example of a libertarian/anarchist free-market, non-statist solution
What is your justification for this position?
@previous (!hEyBrieeXM)
This is an example of a libertarian/anarchist free-market, non-statist solution
Green !6PPj7P5Iag joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,631
Is downloading 80s music for free on my mobile, piracy?
dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,632
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,633
Handel !khEOdtKF56 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,671
@230,440 (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
You are so retarded. Your argument is ridiculous, in your example you are trying to pass the song off as your own work. That's illegal.
I also can't believe you bought Premier Pro. /facepalm
You are so retarded. Your argument is ridiculous, in your example you are trying to pass the song off as your own work. That's illegal.
I also can't believe you bought Premier Pro. /facepalm
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,674
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Oh you...
I said example, I didn't buy adobe premier (neither do I pirate it if this makes your hear beat go back to normal again) nor do I edit in it... and I wouldn't try to pass the song as my own work, it would be just background music for the riding video...
Oh you...
I said example, I didn't buy adobe premier (neither do I pirate it if this makes your hear beat go back to normal again) nor do I edit in it... and I wouldn't try to pass the song as my own work, it would be just background music for the riding video...
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,677
@previous (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
Making a video and trying to sell it with someone else's song on it is trying to pass it off as your own work.
Making a video and trying to sell it with someone else's song on it is trying to pass it off as your own work.
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,680
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Wish I had the same drug dealer, good stuff you're getting from him...
Wish I had the same drug dealer, good stuff you're getting from him...
dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46 replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,687
@230,677 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
No, if you put 'The Sheep - Skater Boy' in the credits it would be trying to pass as your own work
No, if you put 'The Sheep - Skater Boy' in the credits it would be trying to pass as your own work
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,690
@previous (dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46)
@230,680 (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
When you bought the song you accepted the terms and conditions that went with buying it, you're violating them.
@230,680 (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
When you bought the song you accepted the terms and conditions that went with buying it, you're violating them.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 24 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,697
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,706
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,712
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,713
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,715
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
lol @ your non answers.
What rules apply? By what authority are these rules enforced?
lol @ your non answers.
What rules apply? By what authority are these rules enforced?
ltamake !!onnLC5KY8 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,717
I pirate something when I think it doesn't deserve the money. And pretty much all music, sans bands that I like.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,749
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,751
the idea of force-attributing value to something post-scarcity is beyond retarded.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,756
@previous (N)
So is the idea of stealing something of little percievable value just cause you want it.
So is the idea of stealing something of little percievable value just cause you want it.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 54 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,757
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,758
@previous (N)
And yet you still want it enough to steal it. Sounds like it has some value, you just don't want to pay for it.
Or can't...
And yet you still want it enough to steal it. Sounds like it has some value, you just don't want to pay for it.
Or can't...
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 35 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,759
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,761
@previous (N)
Did someone craft that rock to be sold? If so, then yes.
Also the Granite quarry workers want to know why you want them to starve to death.
Did someone craft that rock to be sold? If so, then yes.
Also the Granite quarry workers want to know why you want them to starve to death.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,762
@previous (O)
> Did someone craft that rock to be sold?
No, it was found on the ground. however, it's identical in chemical composition and shape to an artifical rock that some guy down the road is selling for $5 each.
> Did someone craft that rock to be sold?
No, it was found on the ground. however, it's identical in chemical composition and shape to an artifical rock that some guy down the road is selling for $5 each.
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Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,763
@previous (N)
And as soon as the birds in nature can sing Beetles tunes then noone will need to pay a buck for Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds.
And as soon as the birds in nature can sing Beetles tunes then noone will need to pay a buck for Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,766
@previous (O)
nobody needs to pay a buck for it now
supply has outstripped demand to such an extent that the price is zero. It's only attempts at forcing artificial scarcity which keeps people selling it for moneys
nobody needs to pay a buck for it now
supply has outstripped demand to such an extent that the price is zero. It's only attempts at forcing artificial scarcity which keeps people selling it for moneys
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,768
@previous (N)
Demand is equivalent to want. If you want something then it has all the value it needs in order to be sold or stolen.
If noone wants a ferrari then they aren't worth shit, but if people do want it then it has value and can be sold.
I think you just learned a couple of new terms in class, if I were you i'd listen more and talk a little less.
Demand is equivalent to want. If you want something then it has all the value it needs in order to be sold or stolen.
If noone wants a ferrari then they aren't worth shit, but if people do want it then it has value and can be sold.
I think you just learned a couple of new terms in class, if I were you i'd listen more and talk a little less.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,774
@previous (O)
> If noone wants a ferrari then they aren't worth shit, but if people do want it then it has value and can be sold.
If there were infinite ferraris out there, nobody would want to buy one. the (infinite) supply has outstripped demand.
music and movies released on the internet is infinite.
> I think you just learned a couple of new terms in class, if I were you i'd listen more and talk a little less.
I think youre a butthurt faggot fatass with no friends or family who will die alone
herp derp i know these things because i post on the internet
well
at least i'm right about the butthurt faggot part at least
enjoy paying for music dumbass
> If noone wants a ferrari then they aren't worth shit, but if people do want it then it has value and can be sold.
If there were infinite ferraris out there, nobody would want to buy one. the (infinite) supply has outstripped demand.
music and movies released on the internet is infinite.
> I think you just learned a couple of new terms in class, if I were you i'd listen more and talk a little less.
I think youre a butthurt faggot fatass with no friends or family who will die alone
herp derp i know these things because i post on the internet
well
at least i'm right about the butthurt faggot part at least
enjoy paying for music dumbass
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,778
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,780
@previous (O)
lmao
implying that you didn't do the exact same thing
implying i didn't make an argument which you just fucking sidestepped again like you did last time
implying you're not fucktarded troll
3/10
i raged a little
lmao
implying that you didn't do the exact same thing
implying i didn't make an argument which you just fucking sidestepped again like you did last time
implying you're not fucktarded troll
3/10
i raged a little
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,783
@previous (N)
Oh, you mean about infinite music? Thats a retarded argument, you're assuming that misic will continue to be produced indefinately, but if artists arent paid because of piracy then artists won't make music anymore. Sure, once a song is on the web it's infinately available, but the crafting of music is not sustainable on zero salary.
The internet doesnt make infinite resources, bro. You're trying sooo hard to justify acting unethically, and you are starting to pull stuffnout of your ass now.
Nice try though, stay in school.
Oh, you mean about infinite music? Thats a retarded argument, you're assuming that misic will continue to be produced indefinately, but if artists arent paid because of piracy then artists won't make music anymore. Sure, once a song is on the web it's infinately available, but the crafting of music is not sustainable on zero salary.
The internet doesnt make infinite resources, bro. You're trying sooo hard to justify acting unethically, and you are starting to pull stuffnout of your ass now.
Nice try though, stay in school.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,785
@previous (O)
> Oh, you mean about infinite music? Thats a retarded argument, you're assuming that misic will continue to be produced indefinately, but if artists arent paid because of piracy then artists won't make music anymore.
Bro, the data from one particular song is out on the Internet and can be replicated infinitely. There is no scarcity.
> if artists arent paid because of piracy then artists won't make music anymore
explain absolutely everything pre-1850
explain jamendo
explain youth bands
> You're trying sooo hard to justify acting unethically
Nope, I know I'm a dick for downloading free. Doesn't mean they're not dicks for charging for it.
> stay in school.
go suck some more cocks
> Oh, you mean about infinite music? Thats a retarded argument, you're assuming that misic will continue to be produced indefinately, but if artists arent paid because of piracy then artists won't make music anymore.
Bro, the data from one particular song is out on the Internet and can be replicated infinitely. There is no scarcity.
> if artists arent paid because of piracy then artists won't make music anymore
explain absolutely everything pre-1850
explain jamendo
explain youth bands
> You're trying sooo hard to justify acting unethically
Nope, I know I'm a dick for downloading free. Doesn't mean they're not dicks for charging for it.
> stay in school.
go suck some more cocks
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,790
@previous (N)
> Insult me more
> miss my point
Admit to being a dick for downloading for free? Yes! You got a point I was making! Download all you want, bud, but don't make it sound like you're doing the greater good.
Also, welcome to Capitalism and the free market. Enjoy.
> Insult me more
> miss my point
Admit to being a dick for downloading for free? Yes! You got a point I was making! Download all you want, bud, but don't make it sound like you're doing the greater good.
Also, welcome to Capitalism and the free market. Enjoy.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 55 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,791
@previous (O)
> be a nigger
> ignore everything disagreeing with you
> be a nigger
> Also, welcome to Capitalism and the free market
Sounds good. Free music.
> be a nigger
> ignore everything disagreeing with you
> be a nigger
> Also, welcome to Capitalism and the free market
Sounds good. Free music.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,792
@previous (N)
> resort to petty arbitrary insults
> claim to be ignored
> resort to more petty arbitrary insults
Bud, you need to take debate next semester.
> resort to petty arbitrary insults
> claim to be ignored
> resort to more petty arbitrary insults
Bud, you need to take debate next semester.
Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,794
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,797
@previous (N)
> even more personal insults
What questions? About pre-1850s music and youth bands? What are you asking me to explain?
> even more personal insults
What questions? About pre-1850s music and youth bands? What are you asking me to explain?
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Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,799
@previous (O)
Yes, that will do. Justify your view that people cannot make music without being paid royalties.
I sumbit to you in evidence that you are wrong the existence of Jamendo and the entire history of music prior to the audio recording.
Yes, that will do. Justify your view that people cannot make music without being paid royalties.
I sumbit to you in evidence that you are wrong the existence of Jamendo and the entire history of music prior to the audio recording.
Anonymous N double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,801
And you can't say shit about personal insults when you go on about how 'I need to go and study for class' in every other post,
in fact fuck this
fuck you
why do i let myself get drawin into these dumb arguments
imma pirate
u cant do nuttin bout it
deal wit it
in fact fuck this
fuck you
why do i let myself get drawin into these dumb arguments
imma pirate
u cant do nuttin bout it
deal wit it
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,808
@230,799 (N)
Well, we didnt have audio recording and they were paid to perform. We are still paying them to perform for us today, but instead of going to see them we buy their albums. Musicians still do perform live, and plenty of artists can make money that way. But, in this era of high technology new ways to make money are around, too., and there is nothing wrong with adopting new technology to make money.
What, do you want to go back to the days of wandering minstrels and only live performances of music? I prefer to listen to music in my car.
Well, we didnt have audio recording and they were paid to perform. We are still paying them to perform for us today, but instead of going to see them we buy their albums. Musicians still do perform live, and plenty of artists can make money that way. But, in this era of high technology new ways to make money are around, too., and there is nothing wrong with adopting new technology to make money.
What, do you want to go back to the days of wandering minstrels and only live performances of music? I prefer to listen to music in my car.
Anonymous O double-posted this 15 years ago, 50 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,809
Effing iphone
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Anonymous O triple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,811
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 3 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,984
@230,749 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
> What rules apply? By what authority are these rules enforced?
Are you retarded? Answer the questions?
> What rules apply? By what authority are these rules enforced?
Are you retarded? Answer the questions?
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,985
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,986
lol @ anon o and is-ought LOL
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 38 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,987
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,988
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,989
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,991
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
You are such an autist. How does copyright apply to me? I'm not copying anything. I have no contract with the original creator of the data.
So you admit there is no authority except the state's claim to control every part of our life? COOL.
You are such an autist. How does copyright apply to me? I'm not copying anything. I have no contract with the original creator of the data.
So you admit there is no authority except the state's claim to control every part of our life? COOL.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,995
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #230,996
did this piracy thread turn into a parody of piracy threads overnight?
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #231,002
i pirate i know it's wrong and i dont care
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #231,003
@230,995 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
lol @ pirating
Is breathing air pirating? How will the oxygen companies make money?
lol @ pirating
Is breathing air pirating? How will the oxygen companies make money?
bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #231,069
Triptych !LightPenis (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 31 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #231,092
@230,996 (!hEyBrieeXM)
Yeah, pretty much. I just like the band that doesn't care that I pirated their music.
Yeah, pretty much. I just like the band that doesn't care that I pirated their music.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 38 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,113
bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,121
@previous (E)
You've mentioned it twice now. Just explain it and quit trying to get someone to ask. Also, hume was an idiot.
You've mentioned it twice now. Just explain it and quit trying to get someone to ask. Also, hume was an idiot.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,125
@previous (bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc)
Lol. If you have to call Hume an idiot to prove your point, you will lose every philosophical debate. Just a heads-up.
Lol. If you have to call Hume an idiot to prove your point, you will lose every philosophical debate. Just a heads-up.
bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,129
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I'm not trying to win a debate :/
But his views are invalid, that's just understood. Isn't this a little off-topic though?
I'm not trying to win a debate :/
But his views are invalid, that's just understood. Isn't this a little off-topic though?
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,133
@previous (bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc)
Invalid in what sense? His bundle theory is still a fairly common (though I think unpopular) description of objecthood, the problem of induction that he raised remains problematic for the philosophy of science (particularly if you don't accept Popper's solutions to it), he wrote a seminal work on the history of England, and he wrote some really serious critiques of religion and religious doctrine. Granted, many of his ideas are discredited and the problems he raised have for the most part been decently resolved, but he's not a moron.
It's the same with Descartes and Plato. No serious philosopher today really agrees with Descartes' body-soul dualism, and no serious philosopher agrees completely with Plato's theory of how society ought to be structured, but that doesn't mean they were stupid. They were men who were smarter than you or I will probably ever be, and the fact that they were wrong about things has more to do with historical circumstance than a lack of intelligence.
And to keep this on topic, uh...
Piracy is bad I guess.
Invalid in what sense? His bundle theory is still a fairly common (though I think unpopular) description of objecthood, the problem of induction that he raised remains problematic for the philosophy of science (particularly if you don't accept Popper's solutions to it), he wrote a seminal work on the history of England, and he wrote some really serious critiques of religion and religious doctrine. Granted, many of his ideas are discredited and the problems he raised have for the most part been decently resolved, but he's not a moron.
It's the same with Descartes and Plato. No serious philosopher today really agrees with Descartes' body-soul dualism, and no serious philosopher agrees completely with Plato's theory of how society ought to be structured, but that doesn't mean they were stupid. They were men who were smarter than you or I will probably ever be, and the fact that they were wrong about things has more to do with historical circumstance than a lack of intelligence.
And to keep this on topic, uh...
Piracy is bad I guess.
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bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,134
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,135
@231,121 (bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc)
lol didn't even realize. People are arguing about copyright laws based upon what is, not what ought to be. Piracy is bad because it's illegal!
lol didn't even realize. People are arguing about copyright laws based upon what is, not what ought to be. Piracy is bad because it's illegal!
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!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,138
philolsophy.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,139
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,143
@231,134 (bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc)
I like you too, pal.
@231,138 (!hEyBrieeXM)
Philolsophy
@previous (E)
Compelling statism bro.
I like you too, pal.
@231,138 (!hEyBrieeXM)
Philolsophy
@previous (E)
Compelling statism bro.
sluggy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,144
I don't agree with the current laws, but I think this entitlement shit is annoying as fuck.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,147
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,148
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,149
@231,143 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> claim philosopher are unserious fraud/scam unless they agree with you
> label opposition to this claim statists
jew detected
> claim philosopher are unserious fraud/scam unless they agree with you
> label opposition to this claim statists
jew detected
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,151
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,153
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> elitist tripfag, usurps anon's claim to being "anyone"
eutist detected
> elitist tripfag, usurps anon's claim to being "anyone"
eutist detected
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,155
@previous (E)
I've no idea what a eutist is, but I am going to treat it as if it is the highest praise that can be bestowed upon a person, and I humbly and gratefully accept this honor.
I've no idea what a eutist is, but I am going to treat it as if it is the highest praise that can be bestowed upon a person, and I humbly and gratefully accept this honor.
bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 41 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,156
@231,148 (!hEyBrieeXM)
I think that's the big argument. Is it civil disobedience or is it an unethical action? I think a lot of people want it to be civil disobedience and try to defend it as such, but really a much easier to defend position is, "fuck off, I'll do what I want."
I think that's the big argument. Is it civil disobedience or is it an unethical action? I think a lot of people want it to be civil disobedience and try to defend it as such, but really a much easier to defend position is, "fuck off, I'll do what I want."
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,157
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,158
@231,156 (bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc)
> I think a lot of people want it to be civil disobedience and try to defend it as such, but really a much easier to defend position is, "fuck off, I'll do what I want."
but civil disobedience is saying "fuck off, I'll do what I want.", but to the government instead of forum dwellers.
> I think a lot of people want it to be civil disobedience and try to defend it as such, but really a much easier to defend position is, "fuck off, I'll do what I want."
but civil disobedience is saying "fuck off, I'll do what I want.", but to the government instead of forum dwellers.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,159
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,160
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,162
advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,166
Immoral, but a fact of life that anybody in the world of digital commerce needs to accept.
Yes, it is morally preferable to pay for such digital goods, but at the end of the day, it is still just ones and zeroes being traded; you're paying for the license and the labor that went into making it, not the product itself.
Yes, it is morally preferable to pay for such digital goods, but at the end of the day, it is still just ones and zeroes being traded; you're paying for the license and the labor that went into making it, not the product itself.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,170
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 15 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,171
@231,166 (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
> you're paying for the license and the labor that went into making it, not the product itself.
this is pretty much true of everything you can buy... definitely everything you can buy at a store.
the product is an arrangement of molecules, you are paying for either the labor involved in getting the product on the shelf or a license for the particular arrangement of molecules.
morals are fake and gay.
> you're paying for the license and the labor that went into making it, not the product itself.
this is pretty much true of everything you can buy... definitely everything you can buy at a store.
the product is an arrangement of molecules, you are paying for either the labor involved in getting the product on the shelf or a license for the particular arrangement of molecules.
morals are fake and gay.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,172
@previous (!hEyBrieeXM)
you are officially retarded. Everything you must buy at a store, you are paying for the product itself.
you are officially retarded. Everything you must buy at a store, you are paying for the product itself.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,176
@231,171 (!hEyBrieeXM)
That is literally the opposite of what I meant and I don't know why I bothered typing it out in the first place anymore.
That is literally the opposite of what I meant and I don't know why I bothered typing it out in the first place anymore.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,177
@231,172 (E)
no, you aren't paying for the product... your're paying somebody for their idea, same as paying for data.
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
i know, im pointing out that your views on obtaining data are the same for physical goods.
no, you aren't paying for the product... your're paying somebody for their idea, same as paying for data.
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
i know, im pointing out that your views on obtaining data are the same for physical goods.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,178
@previous (!hEyBrieeXM)
I see where you're coming from, but I feel that while the intellectual property of physical goods is also important, you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want with it on a personal level, and sadly, that is often not the case when companies try just a little too hard to prevent piracy; for instance, the free software world almost pissed its pants with fear when people thought Microsoft's new requirement of UEFI would prevent the installation of operating systems that aren't Windows 8.
I see where you're coming from, but I feel that while the intellectual property of physical goods is also important, you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want with it on a personal level, and sadly, that is often not the case when companies try just a little too hard to prevent piracy; for instance, the free software world almost pissed its pants with fear when people thought Microsoft's new requirement of UEFI would prevent the installation of operating systems that aren't Windows 8.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,187
Anonymous E double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,190
@231,177 (!hEyBrieeXM)
No, you are paying them for the product. lol i dont see how anyone could actually be as dumb as your post suggests
You can not make a similar product because of copyright and patent laws.
No, you are paying them for the product. lol i dont see how anyone could actually be as dumb as your post suggests
You can not make a similar product because of copyright and patent laws.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,191
@231,147 (E)
Copy all you want, but don't listen to it. How does that sound?
@231,148 (!hEyBrieeXM)
Its not, though.
Copy all you want, but don't listen to it. How does that sound?
@231,148 (!hEyBrieeXM)
Its not, though.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,195
@231,178 (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
yeah, things like that and closing the analog hole on TVs and media players are BS... it's sad that companies are gimping their products in attempts to prevent you from exercising your legal rights. Luckily there is always a way to circumvent that crap, the HDCP master key, for example, leaked almost immediately, letting people decode the encrypted HDMI streams from their bluray players and other devices.
@231,190 (E)
i'm not retarded, im just stretching the concept to the extreme so that it's more fun to discuss.
let me use your language, so maybe we can actually talk instead of nitpicking over semantics...
okay, so when you buy something you are paying for a product, but what is the product? it's a combination of things.
you aren't just paying for the physical item (which could be considered data), but the licenses for the technologies involved in the product, the labor involved in obtaining the matter from the earth, the shipping of the material from where it was obtained, the arrangement of the material into something useful, the packaging and marketing of the product, and all sorts of other shit.
you are paying for the 'value' added to the raw material.
that value is really just data. the material was free, dug from the earth.
yeah, things like that and closing the analog hole on TVs and media players are BS... it's sad that companies are gimping their products in attempts to prevent you from exercising your legal rights. Luckily there is always a way to circumvent that crap, the HDCP master key, for example, leaked almost immediately, letting people decode the encrypted HDMI streams from their bluray players and other devices.
@231,190 (E)
i'm not retarded, im just stretching the concept to the extreme so that it's more fun to discuss.
let me use your language, so maybe we can actually talk instead of nitpicking over semantics...
okay, so when you buy something you are paying for a product, but what is the product? it's a combination of things.
you aren't just paying for the physical item (which could be considered data), but the licenses for the technologies involved in the product, the labor involved in obtaining the matter from the earth, the shipping of the material from where it was obtained, the arrangement of the material into something useful, the packaging and marketing of the product, and all sorts of other shit.
you are paying for the 'value' added to the raw material.
that value is really just data. the material was free, dug from the earth.
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Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,201
Anonymous E double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,203
@231,195 (!hEyBrieeXM)
A physical item can't be considered data - data is infinite, physical items are scarce.
A physical item can't be considered data - data is infinite, physical items are scarce.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,205
@previous (E)
the Universe is infinite, so there is an infinite amount of matter. it's really just an issue of local scarcity.
digital files can be locally scarce, too.
the Universe is infinite, so there is an infinite amount of matter. it's really just an issue of local scarcity.
digital files can be locally scarce, too.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,211
@231,201 (E)
If someone puts the time and hard work, they deserve compensation. If they want to release it for free, that is their choice. You don't make that choice.
The cost of music is beyond reasonable. For $10-$20 you can get unlimited enjoyment. For less than $2 you can get any single song you'd like many for under $1.
Many artists songs are freely available on YouTube (availability may vary by location). You can also listen to music for free on the radio or through Internet streaming sites like pandora.
The industry is trying to adapt. You want to pretend that you deserve to benefit off of the work of others. I say you don't. You just don't want to be bothered to use any of the many methods available to enjoy the content in a manner that is decided by the content provider.
If someone puts the time and hard work, they deserve compensation. If they want to release it for free, that is their choice. You don't make that choice.
The cost of music is beyond reasonable. For $10-$20 you can get unlimited enjoyment. For less than $2 you can get any single song you'd like many for under $1.
Many artists songs are freely available on YouTube (availability may vary by location). You can also listen to music for free on the radio or through Internet streaming sites like pandora.
The industry is trying to adapt. You want to pretend that you deserve to benefit off of the work of others. I say you don't. You just don't want to be bothered to use any of the many methods available to enjoy the content in a manner that is decided by the content provider.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,212
@231,205 (!hEyBrieeXM)
> the Universe is infinite, so there is an infinite amount of matter.
Are you high?
> the Universe is infinite, so there is an infinite amount of matter.
Are you high?
bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,213
I just bought Breaking Bad season 2 on Amazon. I loved season one, bad ass show. I'm on episode 3 :D
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,214
@231,212 (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
> Are you high?
not very. why is so hard for people to realize that everything is data?
why draw some arbitrary line when it comes to which data is okay to obtain for free and which data is not okay to obtain for free?
either you think data should be free, or you don't... deal with it.
> Are you high?
not very. why is so hard for people to realize that everything is data?
why draw some arbitrary line when it comes to which data is okay to obtain for free and which data is not okay to obtain for free?
either you think data should be free, or you don't... deal with it.
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Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,220
@231,205 (!hEyBrieeXM)
> herp derp there are billions diamonds on a planet 10000000000000 light years away so give me yours for free
Of course that's what I'm referring to.
If digital files are locally scarce then it would make sense to pay for them.
> herp derp there are billions diamonds on a planet 10000000000000 light years away so give me yours for free
Of course that's what I'm referring to.
If digital files are locally scarce then it would make sense to pay for them.
Anonymous E double-posted this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,229
@231,211 (sluggy)
> If someone puts the time and hard work, they deserve compensation. If they want to release it for free, that is their choice. You don't make that choice.
lol @ your entitlement attitude. If people like it, they will want to support the artist so that they continue to make more music.
> The cost of music is beyond reasonable. For $10-$20 you can get unlimited enjoyment. For less than $2 you can get any single song you'd like many for under $1.
It is actually incredibly unreasonably priced. The supply of any song or album is infinite, therefore it is worthless.
> Many artists songs are freely available on YouTube (availability may vary by location). You can also listen to music for free on the radio or through Internet streaming sites like pandora.
Cool. So?
> The industry is trying to adapt. You want to pretend that you deserve to benefit off of the work of others. I say you don't. You just don't want to be bothered to use any of the many methods available to enjoy the content in a manner that is decided by the content provider.
I hope the industry does adapt. Until then, I will not be subsidizing poor business models.
> If someone puts the time and hard work, they deserve compensation. If they want to release it for free, that is their choice. You don't make that choice.
lol @ your entitlement attitude. If people like it, they will want to support the artist so that they continue to make more music.
> The cost of music is beyond reasonable. For $10-$20 you can get unlimited enjoyment. For less than $2 you can get any single song you'd like many for under $1.
It is actually incredibly unreasonably priced. The supply of any song or album is infinite, therefore it is worthless.
> Many artists songs are freely available on YouTube (availability may vary by location). You can also listen to music for free on the radio or through Internet streaming sites like pandora.
Cool. So?
> The industry is trying to adapt. You want to pretend that you deserve to benefit off of the work of others. I say you don't. You just don't want to be bothered to use any of the many methods available to enjoy the content in a manner that is decided by the content provider.
I hope the industry does adapt. Until then, I will not be subsidizing poor business models.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,234
@231,220 (E)
i was trying to make you see that your argument was flawed.
you said that physical items are dissimilar to data, because one is infinite while the other is not.
you are wrong, because both are infinite.
it's simple. when you buy something you are paying for data.
there is no difference between buying a taco and buying a video game.
i was trying to make you see that your argument was flawed.
you said that physical items are dissimilar to data, because one is infinite while the other is not.
you are wrong, because both are infinite.
it's simple. when you buy something you are paying for data.
there is no difference between buying a taco and buying a video game.
bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,247
Episode 3 was pretty fucking good. On to episode 4. This show is fantastic.
Edit: After I watch all of season 2, I'm definitely buying season 3 too!
Edit: After I watch all of season 2, I'm definitely buying season 3 too!
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sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,252
@231,229 (E)
> lol @ your entitlement attitude. If people like it, they will want to support the artist so that they continue to make more music.
Too late. The artist is already dead. Suicide. The low album sales contributed to their depression and now there is no way to support the artist.
Wow. It's really easy to debate when you can just make shit up.
You can sample any song for free. If people really felt that way, piracy wouldn't happen because people would support the artist after sampling the music. People download shit and don't support artists.
> lol @ your entitlement attitude. If people like it, they will want to support the artist so that they continue to make more music.
Too late. The artist is already dead. Suicide. The low album sales contributed to their depression and now there is no way to support the artist.
Wow. It's really easy to debate when you can just make shit up.
You can sample any song for free. If people really felt that way, piracy wouldn't happen because people would support the artist after sampling the music. People download shit and don't support artists.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,253
Anonymous E double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,256
@231,252 (sluggy)
> Too late. The artist is already dead. Suicide. The low album sales contributed to their depression and now there is no way to support the artist.
So? I obviously don't care, since I pirated their album. If I had cared I would have given them money.
> Wow. It's really easy to debate when you can just make shit up.
If you feel that logic is "made up" we're not really having a debate.
> You can sample any song for free. If people really felt that way, piracy wouldn't happen because people would support the artist after sampling the music. People download shit and don't support artists.
Because they don't care. If they cared they would give. What's next - the state subsidizing artists? Oh wait, they already do. Statists are morons.
> Too late. The artist is already dead. Suicide. The low album sales contributed to their depression and now there is no way to support the artist.
So? I obviously don't care, since I pirated their album. If I had cared I would have given them money.
> Wow. It's really easy to debate when you can just make shit up.
If you feel that logic is "made up" we're not really having a debate.
> You can sample any song for free. If people really felt that way, piracy wouldn't happen because people would support the artist after sampling the music. People download shit and don't support artists.
Because they don't care. If they cared they would give. What's next - the state subsidizing artists? Oh wait, they already do. Statists are morons.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,258
@231,253 (E)
i'd go into how my ideas could be implemented, but the easiest way to describe it would be within the frame of a state.
you are clearly anti-statist, so i doubt it would go very well at all as the statist aspect would be the easiest to attack.
oh and i've never actually seen Zeitgeist... should i watch it? ;p
i'd go into how my ideas could be implemented, but the easiest way to describe it would be within the frame of a state.
you are clearly anti-statist, so i doubt it would go very well at all as the statist aspect would be the easiest to attack.
oh and i've never actually seen Zeitgeist... should i watch it? ;p
DXMeowth !RKehomzmKo joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,259
Why doesn't Meowth pay for lots of music? Alright, well check this bitches... So yes, I have lots of CDs that have been paid for. As big of a pirate as I am, I've paid for lots of old school CDs that actually deserve it. You know, where the artist makes their own beats and doesn't just steal it from another song. Where the lyrics actually have more than one verse, and it makes sense, not just the chorus repeating itself ten times. So yes, I do pay for some music, but I don't pay for a lot of it. Mainly newer stuff I won't pay for. It's unoriginal. Nothing is creative about the song. There is little to no talent. It's ridiculous.
Why doesn't Meowth pay for software? Alright, now check this shit out... You know my favorite version of WinRAR? It's WinRAR 3.51, the only full free version or WinRAR they gave out a long time ago. There's lots of sites that give software away for free, but you [have] to install it that same day or some other bullshit. What's up with that? I mean, even if you happen to install it that day, if you uninstall it, you lose it. So that's some bullshit. At least from my experience, that's how shit's been. Plus, why did my netbook come with Windows XP, yet older ones came with Windows 7? The fuck is up with that? I want Windows 7 bitch. So, I put it on myself. Who would pay hundreds of dollars for Photoshop just for one license? I understand if you're a business, but if you're just using it for personal use... What the fuck? Plus, honestly, how good are you with it? Are you really [that] good that it's worth paying all that money for some cheap lighting effects or some shit? Didn't think so, bud.
Why doesn't Meowth pay for software? Alright, now check this shit out... You know my favorite version of WinRAR? It's WinRAR 3.51, the only full free version or WinRAR they gave out a long time ago. There's lots of sites that give software away for free, but you [have] to install it that same day or some other bullshit. What's up with that? I mean, even if you happen to install it that day, if you uninstall it, you lose it. So that's some bullshit. At least from my experience, that's how shit's been. Plus, why did my netbook come with Windows XP, yet older ones came with Windows 7? The fuck is up with that? I want Windows 7 bitch. So, I put it on myself. Who would pay hundreds of dollars for Photoshop just for one license? I understand if you're a business, but if you're just using it for personal use... What the fuck? Plus, honestly, how good are you with it? Are you really [that] good that it's worth paying all that money for some cheap lighting effects or some shit? Didn't think so, bud.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,261
@231,258 (!hEyBrieeXM)
You probably should watch it. Lots of people talk about it. Some of the Wall Street guys are sensible, but alot of them are these Zeitgiest guys. Basically it's 2 hours of "Machines will do everything and we'll never have to work again!" and pretending its some radical new philosophy... then part 2 is the worst history of religion I've ever seen, a little bit on banking and more savior machines.
You probably should watch it. Lots of people talk about it. Some of the Wall Street guys are sensible, but alot of them are these Zeitgiest guys. Basically it's 2 hours of "Machines will do everything and we'll never have to work again!" and pretending its some radical new philosophy... then part 2 is the worst history of religion I've ever seen, a little bit on banking and more savior machines.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,264
@previous (E)
hmm.. i thought it was all 9/11 conspiracies and such, but i'm actually interested in watching it now...
it sounds like the guys who made it may have transhumanist ideas, which is pretty cool.
oh god, there seem to be yearly installments of the zeitgeist movie series... so there probably will be a Zeitgiest 2013, lol!
hmm.. i thought it was all 9/11 conspiracies and such, but i'm actually interested in watching it now...
it sounds like the guys who made it may have transhumanist ideas, which is pretty cool.
oh god, there seem to be yearly installments of the zeitgeist movie series... so there probably will be a Zeitgiest 2013, lol!
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sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,266
@231,256 (E)
It is made up. There is no obligation to support an artist if you enjoy their pirated music. People often act for immediate gratification at the expense of long-term well-being. Right this second people are enjoying pirated music, movies, and games without providing any support for those products.
By pirating the products to begin with, it demonstrates the person is not going to support the artist. That's a given. Later, buying another album or going to a concert does not cancel anything out. You are paying for the concert ticket to go to the concert. You paying for that current album.
Your logic supports your delusion view of the world, but it doesn't stand up to even the slightest criticism.
It is made up. There is no obligation to support an artist if you enjoy their pirated music. People often act for immediate gratification at the expense of long-term well-being. Right this second people are enjoying pirated music, movies, and games without providing any support for those products.
By pirating the products to begin with, it demonstrates the person is not going to support the artist. That's a given. Later, buying another album or going to a concert does not cancel anything out. You are paying for the concert ticket to go to the concert. You paying for that current album.
Your logic supports your delusion view of the world, but it doesn't stand up to even the slightest criticism.
bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,272
Breaking Bad is fucking awesome. Either buy that shit or torrent it, cause it's fan-fucking-tastic.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,273
@231,266 (sluggy)
> It is made up.
Logic is made up. Cool. lol
> There is no obligation to support an artist if you enjoy their pirated music.
This is precisely my point! The only obligation is moral. Like listening to a busker.
> People often act for immediate gratification at the expense of long-term well-being.
Except that one can give money to an artist whenever one feels like it, so there is no short/long term problem.
> Right this second people are enjoying pirated music, movies, and games without providing any support for those products.
People enjoying themselves! OMG this must stop! Many people can not provide support to artists, yet I am glad that today these poor people can benefit from the artists' work.
> By pirating the products to begin with, it demonstrates the person is not going to support the artist. That's a given.
lol not a given at all. I always pirate before I buy to test the album out. I pirated this one album and I didn't like it, listened to it again a couple months later and loved it, so I bought it.
> Later, buying another album or going to a concert does not cancel anything out. You are paying for the concert ticket to go to the concert. You paying for that current album.
Except that even under current coercive legislation one is allowed to make multiple copies of digital media, so that's not even true.
> Your logic supports your delusion view of the world, but it doesn't stand up to even the slightest criticism.
omg you actually think you're right and you're not just trolling. LoL
> It is made up.
Logic is made up. Cool. lol
> There is no obligation to support an artist if you enjoy their pirated music.
This is precisely my point! The only obligation is moral. Like listening to a busker.
> People often act for immediate gratification at the expense of long-term well-being.
Except that one can give money to an artist whenever one feels like it, so there is no short/long term problem.
> Right this second people are enjoying pirated music, movies, and games without providing any support for those products.
People enjoying themselves! OMG this must stop! Many people can not provide support to artists, yet I am glad that today these poor people can benefit from the artists' work.
> By pirating the products to begin with, it demonstrates the person is not going to support the artist. That's a given.
lol not a given at all. I always pirate before I buy to test the album out. I pirated this one album and I didn't like it, listened to it again a couple months later and loved it, so I bought it.
> Later, buying another album or going to a concert does not cancel anything out. You are paying for the concert ticket to go to the concert. You paying for that current album.
Except that even under current coercive legislation one is allowed to make multiple copies of digital media, so that's not even true.
> Your logic supports your delusion view of the world, but it doesn't stand up to even the slightest criticism.
omg you actually think you're right and you're not just trolling. LoL
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Anonymous E double-posted this 15 years ago, 50 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,274
@231,264 (!hEyBrieeXM)
It's mostly stuff like... cool, yeah, that'll happen one day, but we have stuff to do right now, you know? That's just my opinion.
It's mostly stuff like... cool, yeah, that'll happen one day, but we have stuff to do right now, you know? That's just my opinion.
bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,275
How about we wrap this up the hard way<-- you'll really be wanting to click this
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Triptych !LightPenis (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,276
> actual discussion
wat
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sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 41 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,310
@231,273 (E)
Oh, cool dude. I didn't know that you totally bought that unnamed album.
I like to use generic words when describing specific events too. It makes it easier when repeating it. It's so hard to remember specifics in a lie.
There are options for poor people, I mentioned them earlier, remember? You are a very dishonest person. Your ability to debate anything is limited to repeating things you have heard but don't understand. You repeat yourself ad nauseum and then use evasive tactics to make it seem as if you are actually saying anything. You are a bore.
Oh, cool dude. I didn't know that you totally bought that unnamed album.
I like to use generic words when describing specific events too. It makes it easier when repeating it. It's so hard to remember specifics in a lie.
There are options for poor people, I mentioned them earlier, remember? You are a very dishonest person. Your ability to debate anything is limited to repeating things you have heard but don't understand. You repeat yourself ad nauseum and then use evasive tactics to make it seem as if you are actually saying anything. You are a bore.
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Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,371
@previous (sluggy)
> Oh, cool dude. I didn't know that you totally bought that unnamed album.
That's nice. Do you distinguish between "totally buying" and "partially buying"? I am at a loss as to your meaning.
> I like to use generic words when describing specific events too. It makes it easier when repeating it. It's so hard to remember specifics in a lie.
LOL I know you are insane/paranoid irl when dealing with other people, but can't you be normal online? You're not the center of the universe, so important that I would fabricate lies so trick and confuse and mislead you.
> There are options for poor people, I mentioned them earlier, remember?
You are so generous! Giving them the crumbs from your table!
> You are a very dishonest person.
Cool strategy! Argue the person instead of the issues! What's a fallacy?
> Your ability to debate anything is limited to repeating things you have heard but don't understand. You repeat yourself ad nauseum and then use evasive tactics to make it seem as if you are actually saying anything. You are a bore.
TRANSLATION:
I can't refute anything you said, so I will pretend that I don't have to. Tired shtick.
> Oh, cool dude. I didn't know that you totally bought that unnamed album.
That's nice. Do you distinguish between "totally buying" and "partially buying"? I am at a loss as to your meaning.
> I like to use generic words when describing specific events too. It makes it easier when repeating it. It's so hard to remember specifics in a lie.
LOL I know you are insane/paranoid irl when dealing with other people, but can't you be normal online? You're not the center of the universe, so important that I would fabricate lies so trick and confuse and mislead you.
> There are options for poor people, I mentioned them earlier, remember?
You are so generous! Giving them the crumbs from your table!
> You are a very dishonest person.
Cool strategy! Argue the person instead of the issues! What's a fallacy?
> Your ability to debate anything is limited to repeating things you have heard but don't understand. You repeat yourself ad nauseum and then use evasive tactics to make it seem as if you are actually saying anything. You are a bore.
TRANSLATION:
I can't refute anything you said, so I will pretend that I don't have to. Tired shtick.
dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46 replied with this 15 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,378
dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46 double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,379
dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46 triple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,380
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,551
@231,378 (dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46)
Claiming it as your own piece of work is violating it's terms of use.
Claiming it as your own piece of work is violating it's terms of use.
Depressionman !wUaaKKdfXw replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,553
@231,380 (dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46)
Because they either enjoy it or they want to send a message. If anything it would only shut down pop singers who do it just for the money. So many people write music and then give it away.
Because they either enjoy it or they want to send a message. If anything it would only shut down pop singers who do it just for the money. So many people write music and then give it away.
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bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,558
dreamworksage !AUIkTW/L46 replied with this 15 years ago, 40 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #231,586
@231,553 (Depressionman !wUaaKKdfXw)
It's not possible to have a career as musician if nobody pays you. Writing a song is not something you can do in 5 minutes.
It's not possible to have a career as musician if nobody pays you. Writing a song is not something you can do in 5 minutes.