Topic: Africa’s population tho
Anonymous A started this discussion 6 months ago #127,669
Europe used to have more people than Africa which made it easier to colonize Africa.
This graph is what people don’t understand though:
https://www.voronoiapp.com/demographics/Africa-has-the-potential-to-alter-the-world-order-3970
Look at Europe compared to Africa, look at the date, look at the trend. I’m not going to say what it means, if you’re smart, you can figure it out yourself.
This graph is what people don’t understand though:
https://www.voronoiapp.com/demographics/Africa-has-the-potential-to-alter-the-world-order-3970
Look at Europe compared to Africa, look at the date, look at the trend. I’m not going to say what it means, if you’re smart, you can figure it out yourself.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 6 months ago, 21 minutes later[^] [v] #1,378,221
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2021/12/African-Century-Abebe-SelassieSo, lots more people with horrid economy education more bad climate and few if no prospects of anything other than long term famine.
@OP
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 6 months ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,227
@previous (C)
China used to be poorer than Africa. Africa is poor because of the west, but for most of history, Africa has actually been underpopulated relative to the population that the continent can sustain. If it wasn’t for western exploitation, Africa could be the richest continent due to their natural resources in the forms of rare Earth elements, minerals, and oil. Africa is artificially poor and the west is artificially wealthy.
China used to be poorer than Africa. Africa is poor because of the west, but for most of history, Africa has actually been underpopulated relative to the population that the continent can sustain. If it wasn’t for western exploitation, Africa could be the richest continent due to their natural resources in the forms of rare Earth elements, minerals, and oil. Africa is artificially poor and the west is artificially wealthy.
Anonymous D double-posted this 6 months ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,228
@1,378,221 (C)
That article you cited from 2021 was mostly criticizing "strained healthcare from the pandemic." Africa has worse healthcare than the west does, but due to their high population growth, their population is much younger, so Africa actually experienced significantly fewer deaths from the coronavirus compared to other parts of the world. (Which is ironic considering African Americans died at higher rates.) So the premise of the article that Africa would suffer more than the rest of the world from Covid is incorrect.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-deaths-region
That article you cited from 2021 was mostly criticizing "strained healthcare from the pandemic." Africa has worse healthcare than the west does, but due to their high population growth, their population is much younger, so Africa actually experienced significantly fewer deaths from the coronavirus compared to other parts of the world. (Which is ironic considering African Americans died at higher rates.) So the premise of the article that Africa would suffer more than the rest of the world from Covid is incorrect.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-deaths-region
(Edited 34 seconds later.)
Anonymous D triple-posted this 6 months ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,229
The article you cited also doesn’t mention "famine" or "starvation" or "food" even one time.
Anonymous D quadruple-posted this 6 months ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,230
The entire African continent had fewer covid deaths (250,000 deaths) than the United States (1.1 million) despite having 4x the population. If Africa is 4x the size of the US, but the US has 4x as many deaths, that means that an African was 16 times less likely to die from COVID than an American was. So it doesn’t matter that Africans have worse access to healthcare, because they’re actually healthier than Americans, because they tend to be so much younger on average (19 years old median age) than Americans on average (38 years old median age).
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 6 months ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,231
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 6 months ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,233
Also, one reason that Black Americans has worse covid symptoms is because that's associated with a vitamin D deficiency that's common in people with darker skin. Americans sound more time indoors than Africans
And Americans are fatter than Africans which also contributes to worse covid outcomes
And Americans are fatter than Africans which also contributes to worse covid outcomes
Anonymous D replied with this 6 months ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,235
@1,378,231 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Infant mortality also skews life expectancy statistics, because life expectancy is just the mean average of how long everybody lives. If a bunch of people die as infants, that brings the life expectancy down, but if you’ve already survived infancy, you can usually expect to live significantly longer than the life expectancy if you live in a country with high infant mortality. So for example, if a country has a life expectancy of 40 and you’re 20 years old, you’re probably still going to be alive when you’re 60.
Infant mortality also skews life expectancy statistics, because life expectancy is just the mean average of how long everybody lives. If a bunch of people die as infants, that brings the life expectancy down, but if you’ve already survived infancy, you can usually expect to live significantly longer than the life expectancy if you live in a country with high infant mortality. So for example, if a country has a life expectancy of 40 and you’re 20 years old, you’re probably still going to be alive when you’re 60.
Anonymous D double-posted this 6 months ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,236
But the thing is, if the average age of Africa is about 19, and their population is still growing, that means they’re going to have a huge population of working-aged people compared to aging societies in the west and in Asia, which will mean low-cost manufacturing could shift from Asia to Africa, which could (not necessarily, but could) lead to a similar economic trajectory to China in the next century.
(Edited 23 seconds later.)
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 months ago, 21 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,237
@1,378,235 (D)
I understand how that works. It doesnt negate what I typed
Infant mortality is absolutely a factor in the health of a population
I understand how that works. It doesnt negate what I typed
Infant mortality is absolutely a factor in the health of a population
Anonymous D replied with this 6 months ago, 55 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,239
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Their population is growing because their birth rate is higher than their infant mortality rate. Population growth is births minus deaths. They might have more deaths, but they have so many more births it doesn’t actually matter.
Their population is growing because their birth rate is higher than their infant mortality rate. Population growth is births minus deaths. They might have more deaths, but they have so many more births it doesn’t actually matter.
Anonymous D double-posted this 6 months ago, 35 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,240
If immigration to the United States stopped entirely, our birth rate is below replacement, meaning even if there are zero infant deaths, the population will still decrease.
Anonymous D triple-posted this 6 months ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,241
Which in terms of quality of life of the individual in the United States might be okay (the eventual collapse of the social security system when a small population of young people are supposed to subsidize through their taxes a large population of old people might beg to differ), but in terms of the strength of the collective, a tiny minority of the population of Earth can’t hold onto the majority of power just because they have a lot of money that doesn’t physically exist.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 months ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,242
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With the Allspark gone, we cannot return life to our planet. And fate has yielded its reward: a new world to call home. We live among its people now, hiding in plain sight, but watching over them in secret, waiting… protecting. I have witnessed their capacity for courage, and though we are worlds apart, like us, there is more to them than meets the eye.
I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to any surviving Autobots taking refuge among the stars. We are here.
We are waiting.
Anonymous D replied with this 6 months ago, 56 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,244
@1,378,242 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
China had huge famines in the 1960s. Africa had famines in the 1980s. Starvation in the past isn’t evidence that Africa is going to be poor forever. There’s a reason why the Chinese are investing so much in Africa, they’re not stupid.
China had huge famines in the 1960s. Africa had famines in the 1980s. Starvation in the past isn’t evidence that Africa is going to be poor forever. There’s a reason why the Chinese are investing so much in Africa, they’re not stupid.
Anonymous D double-posted this 6 months ago, 58 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,245
People in the west might be stupid though.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 months ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,246
Anonymous D replied with this 6 months ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,247
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
You asked me what "the point" was. The point I’m making might not have anything to do with the questions you’re asking me.
You asked me what "the point" was. The point I’m making might not have anything to do with the questions you’re asking me.
Anonymous D double-posted this 6 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,249
And if you weren’t asking what the point was, then you should have been more specific than asking, "And?"
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 months ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,252
Anonymous D replied with this 6 months ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,253
Anonymous D double-posted this 6 months ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,254
The point I was making does matter, because the point I was making was about the future power of Africa as a collective relative to the west. If that’s the perspective, then it is irrelevant whether a 20 year old from America is healthier than a 20 year old from Africa. A 20 year old from America is probably healthier than a 20 year old from Africa, and it’s probably the same for 40 year olds. But if Africans on average are about 20 and Americans on average are about 40, it is true that a 20 year old African probably needs less medical attention in general than a 40 year old American because that’s just biology. I’m not making an argument about the quality of life of individuals. I’m talking about who will have what 100 years from now.
Anonymous D triple-posted this 6 months ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,255
And those 20 year olds will be 40 year olds in an Africa that’s 20 years more advanced than Africa is today.
Anonymous D quadruple-posted this 6 months ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,256
@previous (D)
Africa’s GDP today is about 3x larger than it was 20 years ago. So the difference kinda does matter.
Africa’s GDP today is about 3x larger than it was 20 years ago. So the difference kinda does matter.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 6 months ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,262
@1,378,221 (C)
People used to respect the concept and logic of "Please do not feed the wildlife"...
I swear there be serious niggotry afoot.
People used to respect the concept and logic of "Please do not feed the wildlife"...
I swear there be serious niggotry afoot.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 6 months ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,378,264
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> China had huge famines in the 1960s. Africa had famines in the 1980s. Starvation in the past isn’t evidence that Africa is going to be poor forever. There’s a reason why the Chinese are investing so much in Africa, they’re not stupid.
The Chinese investment model follows the European model of resource extraction. China just avoids niceties like food aid or humanitarian efforts.
> China had huge famines in the 1960s. Africa had famines in the 1980s. Starvation in the past isn’t evidence that Africa is going to be poor forever. There’s a reason why the Chinese are investing so much in Africa, they’re not stupid.
The Chinese investment model follows the European model of resource extraction. China just avoids niceties like food aid or humanitarian efforts.
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They're smarter. The British tried to Westernize the Africans and spread Christianity and western values and it did not work. The Chinese just want their shit, and don't care about the "white man's burden" stuff.
They're smarter. The British tried to Westernize the Africans and spread Christianity and western values and it did not work. The Chinese just want their shit, and don't care about the "white man's burden" stuff.