Topic: Why do people assume that if the first person to do something...
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago#12,715
...didn't do it, then it would have never been done or discovered? There are countless examples of things being independently re-invented throughout history.
Apple and Steve Jobs are examples of this, except they never really "invented" anything, just slapped a price tag and brand name to things already invented. If they hadn't, it wouldn't have taken more than a few years for someone else to do the same.
> If Kimmo Alm didn't invent Anontalk, this place wouldn't exist. And you know it.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^][v]#228,638
Apple were very important, and they certainly did invent things. If you're interested in PC history, you should watch "Triumph of the Nerds" on Youtube, which mostly focuses on Apple and Microsoft in the second and third episodes.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^][v]#228,640
And yet before the Apple I, nothing like the product existed. I think you're just being unfair and dismissive towards Apple's achievements because you hold a bias towards the modern-day company's user base.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^][v]#228,657
@previous (D)
What makes you think the same thing wouldn't have been done shortly after if Apple never existed?
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^][v]#228,659
I can't be sure of that either way. But the fact remains that people still felt in awe running ENIAC and flipping switches on a beep-box. The GUI, for one thing, would be unlikely to have existed for a long time.
I'm not saying the same thing wouldn't have happened in the future had Apple never existed, simply that we're a lot more advanced now because it did.
I think you're just being unfair and dismissive towards Apple's achievements because you hold a bias towards the modern-day company's user base.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^][v]#228,660
@previous (D)
And we'd all still be riding horses if not for Henry Ford.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^][v]#228,661
I'm not sure what your point is, but from what I've seen of you so far I can safely assume that you're a silly hit-and-run troll with nothing to say, so I won't talk to you seriously. Sorry.
sluggy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^][v]#228,662
the company is extremely successful. the ipod and iphone have really pushed companies to excel. I think Apple did a lot to push technology.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 50 minutes after the original post[^][v]#228,663
@228,661 (D)
My point is on topic and relevant. You think we'd be sitting in the dark if not for edison?
The GUI wasn't far away from development, if anything I'd say the mouse was the biggest contribution, but a GUI on a display wasn't a giant leap of tech genius. It was kind of the next logical step in the development of computers.
My point about Ford is this: there were already cars, henry ford made one cheap and easy to own. (but his process of assembly lines was the real contribution) cars would have been built that way anyway, he just sped up the process, just like Jobs and his GUI
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#228,668
I don't understand. Why does that mean that Apple deserve no credit for being the first to do it? Using your logic an examples, Ford and Edison also deserve no credit for what they did and the fact that they were the first ones to do something doesn't mean anything.
> My point about Ford is this: there were already cars, henry ford made one cheap and easy to own.
And Ford is lauded as a genius. I think Apple are the Fords of computing. I think it would have been another 5-10 years before the GUI developed without Apple. Modern computing would be very different!
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#228,670
Apple did invent stuff though, you're just twisting it. No one invented sticks, but someone did invent the spear. Its the same concept.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#228,672
Sup, postmodernism?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#228,678
@228,668 (D)
Apple did not develop the GUI. Xerox did and Apple bought it from them. If Apple hadn't, it's likely some of the engineers from Xerox would break away and form their own company doing the same.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#228,681
Xerox Alto was created in 1973 and 6 years later, when Steve Jobs first saw it, no sign of a group of disgruntled engineers reverse engineering and releasing their own computer had occurred.
But it wouldn't have mattered if they did anyway. The group of disgruntled engineers who reverse engineered and mass-marketed the GUI weren't the first ones to make a GUI.
Nothing is computing is of note, because in the 19th century Charles Babbage created an analytical machine. We should pay homage to Charles Babbage and sacrifice goats in his name.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#228,682
@previous (D)
Babbage is also a cool fucking name, and i really wish Analytic Engine stuck, "computer" is a pretty lame word.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 58 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#228,684
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 18 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#229,180
@228,672 (protip !!pMmAiEwOm)
i hope you post anon A LOT and that shitposts like this aren't your only contributions to the board...
Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 25 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#229,209
@228,652 (E)
His death turned out to be his greatest vindication; he marketed his company and his products so well that he was hailed as a genius and a visionary upon dying.