Topic: ATTN: Minions—you are not failures (please read)
AC !tyLmN8C16E started this discussion 15 years ago #1,271
Blah, blah, blah, this is librul arts happy feel good shit, but, please, read it, and understand how your life (many Minions are young, unemployed, and/or economically disadvantaged) reflects the trends of our generation(s). It’s a short, simple read, and not worth TL;DR ing :-)
The Experience Economy: commencement speakers have urged students to seek meaning and not money. Many people, it turns out, were listening.
Discuss.
The Experience Economy: commencement speakers have urged students to seek meaning and not money. Many people, it turns out, were listening.
Discuss.
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #24,537
My opinion is that I have lots of experience. But it is hard to really find meaningful experiences in poverty. With money, people can do alot of good for the world.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,543
@previous (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
> 1 minute later
Shut the fuck up and read it, Matt.
> 1 minute later
Shut the fuck up and read it, Matt.
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The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,545
@previous (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
What is your problem? I did read it. I am a very fast reader because I learned how in grad school. Please stop being so damned mean to me. You are better than that.
What is your problem? I did read it. I am a very fast reader because I learned how in grad school. Please stop being so damned mean to me. You are better than that.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,551
Nevermind. This stays on the rails.
(Edited 48 seconds later.)
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 22 seconds later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,553
@24,545 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Well then, I apologize. How, exactly, do you recommend people use their money for good?
Your post seemed quite low on substance.
Well then, I apologize. How, exactly, do you recommend people use their money for good?
Your post seemed quite low on substance.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 33 seconds later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,556
@24,537 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Why don't you actually read it, instead of using it to bawwwwwwww about your 'poverty'. Please?
@OP
Thanks for posting this. :)
Why don't you actually read it, instead of using it to bawwwwwwww about your 'poverty'. Please?
@OP
Thanks for posting this. :)
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,559
@24,553 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
I believe people can do two things:
1. Literally give money, food, and training to the poor.
2. Work in fields that help people, like Doctors without Borders. But to do that, you have to spend a million on med school, and have enough money to take 6 months off to work for free.
I believe people can do two things:
1. Literally give money, food, and training to the poor.
2. Work in fields that help people, like Doctors without Borders. But to do that, you have to spend a million on med school, and have enough money to take 6 months off to work for free.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,569
@24,545 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
> What is your problem? I did read it. I am a very fast reader because I learned how in grad school. Please stop being so damned mean to me. You are better than that.
Thus is the way of the Wired,
We are hate incarnate.
We are the mad furies haunting your nightmares.
We are the breakers of dreams and the devourers of fortunes.
> What is your problem? I did read it. I am a very fast reader because I learned how in grad school. Please stop being so damned mean to me. You are better than that.
Thus is the way of the Wired,
We are hate incarnate.
We are the mad furies haunting your nightmares.
We are the breakers of dreams and the devourers of fortunes.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 48 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,572
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,579
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 19 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,581
@24,559 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
> 2. Work in fields that help people, like Doctors without Borders. But to do that, you have to spend a million on med school, and have enough money to take 6 months off to work for free.
Gawd, yeah. I’d love to have more free time for positive causes. It’s an interesting dance, between economic productivity, and doing it in a manner that is socially good, without being too obtrusive.
> 2. Work in fields that help people, like Doctors without Borders. But to do that, you have to spend a million on med school, and have enough money to take 6 months off to work for free.
Gawd, yeah. I’d love to have more free time for positive causes. It’s an interesting dance, between economic productivity, and doing it in a manner that is socially good, without being too obtrusive.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,582
"Post-materialism." Yes. That's definitely DM's problem.Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 43 seconds later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,585
@24,545 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
> read 793 words in 1 minute
I lol'd.
@OP
Great read, thanks for that.
> read 793 words in 1 minute
I lol'd.
@OP
Great read, thanks for that.
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 32 seconds later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,588
@24,581 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
I know my opinion is not popular, but I have observed in my life that the people in a position to do the most good, are the ones with the most money.
I know my opinion is not popular, but I have observed in my life that the people in a position to do the most good, are the ones with the most money.
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ double-posted this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,590
The Truth !!vSp31CfSr joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,591
@24,545 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
> Read a TL;DR in 1 minute
More bullshit. Shit Matt, when will you...
> Read a TL;DR in 1 minute
More bullshit. Shit Matt, when will you...
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,596
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 second later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,597
This really is food for thought AC. Thanks for posting this.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,600
@24,590 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Could you provide a quick summary of the article by comparing the two main characters?
Could you provide a quick summary of the article by comparing the two main characters?
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,601
@24,585 (G)
This thread is not about me. Please stay on track, and stop making every thread about me. I want to hear AC's opinion on this topic.
This thread is not about me. Please stay on track, and stop making every thread about me. I want to hear AC's opinion on this topic.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,605
@24,588 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Nope.exif
If you have Deity's own gift at seeing the future in financial matters but are unable to organise you're in a weaker position than a poorfag who creates his own organization to help flood-victims.
Money is like Energy; If you don't know ow to direct it, it's more of a liability than a help.
Nope.exif
If you have Deity's own gift at seeing the future in financial matters but are unable to organise you're in a weaker position than a poorfag who creates his own organization to help flood-victims.
Money is like Energy; If you don't know ow to direct it, it's more of a liability than a help.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM double-posted this 15 years ago, 54 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,609
@24,591 (The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
LOL, Want me to give you a back rub?
You've been tense the whole day.
LOL, Want me to give you a back rub?
You've been tense the whole day.
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,613
@24,605 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
But if you have money, you can hire good organizers to help organise your charity, and you can focus on giving lots of money to the poor.
But if you have money, you can hire good organizers to help organise your charity, and you can focus on giving lots of money to the poor.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,622
@24,597 (I)
I loved that it was very specific about the differences in cultural perspectives and goals. The article didn’t demand citations, but at least it had concrete descriptions to follow along with. It’s had my brain churning, since I read it this morning.
@24,601 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Yeah, people with money have the most economic ability to provide Good Progress™, but I’m not sure that we as a society have clearly defined that role. The conflicts between money-and-power versus the disadvantaged-and-exploited will continue, and they’ve trended quite badly, it seems. I know unions have their own ills, but I hope that greater organization amongst and representation for the disadvantaged can be had. Our corporate-controlled culture leaves many behind.
@errybody thanks, guise. It feels good to share this.
I loved that it was very specific about the differences in cultural perspectives and goals. The article didn’t demand citations, but at least it had concrete descriptions to follow along with. It’s had my brain churning, since I read it this morning.
@24,601 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Yeah, people with money have the most economic ability to provide Good Progress™, but I’m not sure that we as a society have clearly defined that role. The conflicts between money-and-power versus the disadvantaged-and-exploited will continue, and they’ve trended quite badly, it seems. I know unions have their own ills, but I hope that greater organization amongst and representation for the disadvantaged can be had. Our corporate-controlled culture leaves many behind.
@errybody thanks, guise. It feels good to share this.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 29 seconds later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,624
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,629
@24,613 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
> giving money to the poor
If it were that easy, we'd have 60% less war on this planet of ours.
> giving money to the poor
If it were that easy, we'd have 60% less war on this planet of ours.
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,636
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,644
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
You are most definitely not a failure. You have more technical knowledge than anyone your age.
You are most definitely not a failure. You have more technical knowledge than anyone your age.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,646
Actually, after reading it, I have to agree with DM. For anyone making over $60K/year, it makes sense to stop looking towards gaining wealth for happiness and to actually start looking towards what really makes you happy in life, but for anyone who has to constantly struggle to make ends meet, and doesn't have enough disposable income without enjoying simple hobbies, or for anyone who has to work 60 hours a week, life doesn't quite work that way. It's very easy for the affluent in this country to look at this economy and say "Meh, I guess I'll just take the money I've made so far and do something else with my life." But for the unemployed, it's not that easy.
The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,647
@24,636 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Why don't poor people just prepare themselves and work harder?
Being poor is not a perpetual, birth given disease. It is a situation of those that do not work enough, take the right decisions or take advantage of the opportunities they are given, like you for example.
There is no reason for the ones that achieve success and fortune to give away their hard earned money just because the others can't properly take care of themselves.
/Irrefutable Truth.
Now lock this shit.
Why don't poor people just prepare themselves and work harder?
Being poor is not a perpetual, birth given disease. It is a situation of those that do not work enough, take the right decisions or take advantage of the opportunities they are given, like you for example.
There is no reason for the ones that achieve success and fortune to give away their hard earned money just because the others can't properly take care of themselves.
/Irrefutable Truth.
Now lock this shit.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,650
@previous (The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
Bro…
A non-white person living in Mexico should understand plenty about oppressed people. Your father’s corporate position and/or lack of humble guidance, however, have clearly tainted you with entitlement.
Bro…
A non-white person living in Mexico should understand plenty about oppressed people. Your father’s corporate position and/or lack of humble guidance, however, have clearly tainted you with entitlement.
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The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 16 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,651
@24,647 (The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
Because, when you are poor, you spend most of your time and energy trying to find food, shelter, and pay the bills, and you do not have much time left to better yourself or "just get a job." It is the hierarchy of needs.
Because, when you are poor, you spend most of your time and energy trying to find food, shelter, and pay the bills, and you do not have much time left to better yourself or "just get a job." It is the hierarchy of needs.
The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 17 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,652
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
@24,644 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Lol, the failures comforting and deluding one another, this is just too fucked up and cool.
K, gotta go.
@24,644 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Lol, the failures comforting and deluding one another, this is just too fucked up and cool.
K, gotta go.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,653
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 38 seconds later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,656
Anyway, I'm reading the opinion article and it fails to mention that while median wages and employment in general have been falling, GDP has been rising. There is no decrease in wealth, but rather it seems that way due to more and more inequity. The US's wealth is concentrated in the hands of the few.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,657
@24,636 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
> It is that easy. Most rich people just do not do it.
You're missing the point, but that's okay.
> It is that easy. Most rich people just do not do it.
You're missing the point, but that's okay.
The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,658
@24,651 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Those are things you have never done, so just stop.
And the point stands, not my faualt, it is MY responsibility to take care of MYSELF, my family and those other that I might care for enough to help out.
Not to throw my money down the drain on broke ass punks that didn't even finish high school or studied useless shit like liberal arts, music or literature and now cannot find a job due to the non existent or saturated market. YOUR bad decisions are not my fault and there is no reason for me to pay for them.
Those are things you have never done, so just stop.
And the point stands, not my faualt, it is MY responsibility to take care of MYSELF, my family and those other that I might care for enough to help out.
Not to throw my money down the drain on broke ass punks that didn't even finish high school or studied useless shit like liberal arts, music or literature and now cannot find a job due to the non existent or saturated market. YOUR bad decisions are not my fault and there is no reason for me to pay for them.
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,659
@24,657 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
I am listening. What did I miss? I am not arguing I promise. I will listen.
I am listening. What did I miss? I am not arguing I promise. I will listen.
The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,664
@24,650 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
> oppressed,
No such thing this ain't Africa or China, everybody have the faculty to create or take opportunities in life. Nothing is given for free.
Now stop being faggots.
> oppressed,
No such thing this ain't Africa or China, everybody have the faculty to create or take opportunities in life. Nothing is given for free.
Now stop being faggots.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,665
@24,656 (K)
Yeah, it was a bit light on details and certainly not the end-all analysis of this.
@24,658 (The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
Your anger is entirely misplaced. There is a great legion of kind, educated, and hard-working people who are underemployed because wealth and power are concentrated at the top. This is about the world, not just the US’ relatively-entitled people.
Yeah, it was a bit light on details and certainly not the end-all analysis of this.
@24,658 (The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
Your anger is entirely misplaced. There is a great legion of kind, educated, and hard-working people who are underemployed because wealth and power are concentrated at the top. This is about the world, not just the US’ relatively-entitled people.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 20 seconds later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,667
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,669
@24,659 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
Simply giving money to people is a tried-and-tested method for disaster.
Simply giving money to people is a tried-and-tested method for disaster.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,670
Also, the condescending tone the author has.. Ugh. Just awful. Clearly written by a wealthy fuck who seems to believe that people decide to be poor because they're simply not "materialistic." Horrible opinion piece.
The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,671
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Never said that.
Never said that.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,676
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Not everybody can understand Mass/Energy conservation the way you do. <:O
Not everybody can understand Mass/Energy conservation the way you do. <:O
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 0 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,677
@24,669 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
I humbly disagree. When people are hungry, homeless, and without clothes, giving them money does them a huge favor.
I humbly disagree. When people are hungry, homeless, and without clothes, giving them money does them a huge favor.
grey !C.MxxuCiTo joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,678
Matt Miller Ruins Another Thread! More tonight at 8!
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 29 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,679
@24,647 (The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
> It is a situation of those that do not work enough, take the right decisions or take advantage of the opportunities they are given, like you for example.
> There is no reason for the ones that achieve success and fortune to give away their hard earned money just because the others can't properly take care of themselves.
You're a fucking retard. Honestly.
> It is a situation of those that do not work enough, take the right decisions or take advantage of the opportunities they are given, like you for example.
> There is no reason for the ones that achieve success and fortune to give away their hard earned money just because the others can't properly take care of themselves.
You're a fucking retard. Honestly.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 54 seconds later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,681
@24,678 (grey !C.MxxuCiTo)
No, he didn’t; we put this train back on track. You’re sure contributing to the bullshit, though.
No, he didn’t; we put this train back on track. You’re sure contributing to the bullshit, though.
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,683
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,685
@24,622 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
> I loved that it was very specific about the differences in cultural perspectives and goals.
Yes, we seem to be moving into an era where production is more information-oriented rather than material. There seem to be more people shuffling information and providing services rather than producing goods. Other countries --China stands out here-- are passing into a massive production and industry boom and enjoying the kind of economy we just left behind. Is this bad? Is there some way we can adjust and still maintain our economic position on the world stage? Should economic interest lead us to try to go back?
I have no good answer about how to handle the shifts. I feel like I need to keep this idea in the back of my mind and play with it before I really have an opinion. Anyway, thanks for giving me something to chew on for a bit.
> I loved that it was very specific about the differences in cultural perspectives and goals.
Yes, we seem to be moving into an era where production is more information-oriented rather than material. There seem to be more people shuffling information and providing services rather than producing goods. Other countries --China stands out here-- are passing into a massive production and industry boom and enjoying the kind of economy we just left behind. Is this bad? Is there some way we can adjust and still maintain our economic position on the world stage? Should economic interest lead us to try to go back?
I have no good answer about how to handle the shifts. I feel like I need to keep this idea in the back of my mind and play with it before I really have an opinion. Anyway, thanks for giving me something to chew on for a bit.
The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,686
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,687
For Sam, income and living standards were synonymous. But for Jared, wealth and living standards have diverged.
The ignorance in this statement is appalling. I want to slam a hammer into the writer's face.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 33 seconds later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,688
@24,677 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
> I humbly disagree. When people are hungry, homeless, and without clothes, giving them money does them a huge favor.
That depends.
Have you ever worked with, or talked with the the leaders of a Humanitarian organization?
> I humbly disagree. When people are hungry, homeless, and without clothes, giving them money does them a huge favor.
That depends.
Have you ever worked with, or talked with the the leaders of a Humanitarian organization?
Nega !34Kas0OdzM double-posted this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,691
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,693
@24,677 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
It doesn't exactly work that way. It makes sense, but it's a bit different in reality.
It doesn't exactly work that way. It makes sense, but it's a bit different in reality.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,695
@24,685 (I)
No prob, friend. Thanks for writing up your questions. I have also found it difficult to determine the *best* answer.
No prob, friend. Thanks for writing up your questions. I have also found it difficult to determine the *best* answer.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,696
@24,691 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
Income and living standards have no relation? They're interconnected. I've gone hungry because I couldn't afford food. Low living standard.
Income and living standards have no relation? They're interconnected. I've gone hungry because I couldn't afford food. Low living standard.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,700
@24,670 (K)
@24,687 (K)
I don’t entirely follow; could you elaborate? It’s likely that the writer comes from a comfortable background, but I don’t quite see how he’s saying that poor people decided to be poor.
I thought he was saying that America’s educated middle class is not pursuing wealth as an end-goal, and there are some interesting changes that happen, from that.
@24,687 (K)
I don’t entirely follow; could you elaborate? It’s likely that the writer comes from a comfortable background, but I don’t quite see how he’s saying that poor people decided to be poor.
I thought he was saying that America’s educated middle class is not pursuing wealth as an end-goal, and there are some interesting changes that happen, from that.
The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 32 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,703
@24,677 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
No, those systems ALWAYS get abused by the majority. Have you ever been to LA, NY or Detroit?
Welfare offices, welfare offices everywhere.
Giving away shit just promotes laziness (irrefutable truth), poorfags just see the opportunity of a quick effortless buck and stop trying to work.
Poorfaggotry should be a motivation to improve instead of an excuse to remain in the shittier for an entire lifetime.
/Truth
No, those systems ALWAYS get abused by the majority. Have you ever been to LA, NY or Detroit?
Welfare offices, welfare offices everywhere.
Giving away shit just promotes laziness (irrefutable truth), poorfags just see the opportunity of a quick effortless buck and stop trying to work.
Poorfaggotry should be a motivation to improve instead of an excuse to remain in the shittier for an entire lifetime.
/Truth
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,705
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,708
@previous (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
Sure. Starving African kids have no money.
Half the planet lives on less than a dollar a day and they live miserable, short lives.
Sure. Starving African kids have no money.
Half the planet lives on less than a dollar a day and they live miserable, short lives.
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Anonymous K double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,717
@24,705 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
The falling standards of living and youth unemployment are not conscious choices.
During these years, commencement speakers have urged students to seek meaning and not money. Many people, it turns out, were listening.
The falling standards of living and youth unemployment are not conscious choices.
Not The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,721
@24,703 (The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
Proof that poor motherfuckers take pride in being broke, unemployed and abusing the welfare system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpBP9dALcWw
Scratch with your own nails, bitch. The only persons with an actual obligation to help you out are your parents when you were growing up.
Proof that poor motherfuckers take pride in being broke, unemployed and abusing the welfare system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpBP9dALcWw
Scratch with your own nails, bitch. The only persons with an actual obligation to help you out are your parents when you were growing up.
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AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 seconds later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,722
@24,703 (The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
You say many things that are correct, but they’re (often) so lacking in context and true, meaningful understanding that your statements are just entirely worthless.
You say many things that are correct, but they’re (often) so lacking in context and true, meaningful understanding that your statements are just entirely worthless.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,726
@24,721 (Not The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
> work of artistic fiction meant for entertainment and reflection
> cite it as proof that niggers deserve to be niggers
lol 0/10 bud
> work of artistic fiction meant for entertainment and reflection
> cite it as proof that niggers deserve to be niggers
lol 0/10 bud
Not The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,727
The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+ replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,728
@24,688 (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
Yes. I spent years volunteering. I have personally worked with the homeless. I know it is more complex than that, but that does not give rich people an excuse for just not giving.
Yes. I spent years volunteering. I have personally worked with the homeless. I know it is more complex than that, but that does not give rich people an excuse for just not giving.
Not The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,731
@24,726 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
Oh, you a racist bigot?
Shit, what a surprise, you just lost a lot of credibility.
Oh, you a racist bigot?
Shit, what a surprise, you just lost a lot of credibility.
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psychopath !PSYCHOhc32 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,732
@24,708 (K)
That is because Africa has no economy, due to both its anti-white racism and the fact that too many charities give to them rather than assisting in starting agricultural shit there.
That is because Africa has no economy, due to both its anti-white racism and the fact that too many charities give to them rather than assisting in starting agricultural shit there.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 32 seconds later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,733
@24,717 (K)
Absolutely. I don’t think the author referred to unemployment, and it’s clear that his thesis is not universally true. It was an analysis of educated middle class America, for the most part.
@24,727 (Not The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
Truth without any reasonable ethical framework just comprise a bunch of words with little value.
@24,731 (Not The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
What?! lolno, you’re dense. That was hyperbole, son.
@previous (psychopath !PSYCHOhc32)
No, Africa has no economy thanks to centuries of colonization and war. We do appreciate your insight on Nigger Historyâ„¢, though. Please, tell us more about the Muslim menace and lack of loli.
Absolutely. I don’t think the author referred to unemployment, and it’s clear that his thesis is not universally true. It was an analysis of educated middle class America, for the most part.
@24,727 (Not The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
Truth without any reasonable ethical framework just comprise a bunch of words with little value.
@24,731 (Not The Truth !!vSp31CfSr)
What?! lolno, you’re dense. That was hyperbole, son.
@previous (psychopath !PSYCHOhc32)
No, Africa has no economy thanks to centuries of colonization and war. We do appreciate your insight on Nigger Historyâ„¢, though. Please, tell us more about the Muslim menace and lack of loli.
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Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #24,740
@previous (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
Except, the middle class is shrinking. The number of people, as a percentage of the population, living in poverty is growing.
http://www3.wsws.org/articles/2010/feb2010/yout-f08.shtml
It's a poorly reasoned opinion piece.
Except, the middle class is shrinking. The number of people, as a percentage of the population, living in poverty is growing.
A major factor in the dramatic rise of youth unemployment is competition with older workers, who are themselves facing a jobs crisis. More people 55 and older are now working than before the recession. As a result of the decline in wages, spouse’s unemployment and declining home valuations, older workers are not retiring. If they are laid off, they often seek entry-level positions that previously went to the young.
At the same time, incomes are plummeting for those just starting out. In 1969, only 10 percent of men in their early 30s were classified as low earners (less than the federal poverty rate). By 2004, it was 23 percent, and it has continued to grow.
A January 2010 report by the Kaiser Foundation highlighted one of the consequences of the systematic impoverishment of the youth. Young adults are the least likely to have access to health insurance of any group in the US, with an estimated 29.3 percent of the 19-29 age group lacking coverage.
Young adults who are working are less likely to have employer-sponsored health insurance and often cannot afford the cost of individual plans. According to the Kaiser study, of the young workers who have no coverage, more than half live in households with incomes below 150 percent of the federal poverty level.
At the same time, incomes are plummeting for those just starting out. In 1969, only 10 percent of men in their early 30s were classified as low earners (less than the federal poverty rate). By 2004, it was 23 percent, and it has continued to grow.
A January 2010 report by the Kaiser Foundation highlighted one of the consequences of the systematic impoverishment of the youth. Young adults are the least likely to have access to health insurance of any group in the US, with an estimated 29.3 percent of the 19-29 age group lacking coverage.
Young adults who are working are less likely to have employer-sponsored health insurance and often cannot afford the cost of individual plans. According to the Kaiser study, of the young workers who have no coverage, more than half live in households with incomes below 150 percent of the federal poverty level.
http://www3.wsws.org/articles/2010/feb2010/yout-f08.shtml
It's a poorly reasoned opinion piece.
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,802
A lot of the industrial punch that the US packed in the last century came from an abundance of resources and post-war wealth that resulted in production and business opportunity. That post-war opportunity was mostly open to anyone willing to jump into the game at that point, educated or not. It is telling perhaps that the author pinpoints the switch as coming in the late 70s, an era when when the post-WWII generation are now senior citizens.
One thing that strikes me about this is that pursuing a college education has traditionally been a consequence of having money, not the cause. Wealthy families sent their children to get some culture and higher education because they could afford to do so rather than sending them into the workforce right away. Their college educated children would then be prepared for employment as something more than factory workers or manual laborers. Is this maybe just a natural consequence of greater education for all? Should we expect an increasingly college-educated population to seek opportunity in the same way that their grandparents did?
One thing that strikes me about this is that pursuing a college education has traditionally been a consequence of having money, not the cause. Wealthy families sent their children to get some culture and higher education because they could afford to do so rather than sending them into the workforce right away. Their college educated children would then be prepared for employment as something more than factory workers or manual laborers. Is this maybe just a natural consequence of greater education for all? Should we expect an increasingly college-educated population to seek opportunity in the same way that their grandparents did?
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 15 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,803
To sum it up, the writer of the OP attempts to explain why college students have been making less and less by stating that they're not after money, but after "meaning." Silliness.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,837
@24,802 (I)
Great questions. I think those issues show a lack of a cultural goal. We’re working, but we’re not sure what for, exactly.
inb4 Dear Leader gives us a Five-Year Planâ„¢
Great questions. I think those issues show a lack of a cultural goal. We’re working, but we’re not sure what for, exactly.
inb4 Dear Leader gives us a Five-Year Planâ„¢
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,838
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,841
go ahead and try to buy a house with meaningful experience, liberal arts failures.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,844
@24,837 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
> I think those issues show a lack of a cultural goal.
I think, for the vast majority of people, the goal is to provide for their families.
> We’re working, but we’re not sure what for, exactly.
We work to live.
> I think those issues show a lack of a cultural goal.
I think, for the vast majority of people, the goal is to provide for their families.
> We’re working, but we’re not sure what for, exactly.
We work to live.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,867
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,873
@previous (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
It IS a quality post. People don't decide to make more "meaning" than "money."
It IS a quality post. People don't decide to make more "meaning" than "money."
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,887
Read the text and some of the posts here...
Let's be honest for a moment, the first dude lived from what? 1900 to 1970something?
He went throught 2 real wars and a cold war...and we all know that war is the awesome thing that bonds whole nations to work their asses off and create things that were unimaginable few years ago...
So much awesome stuff was developed for war, then hit mainstream...
Second dude lives from 1978 if I'm not mistaken, he's chilling in a "peace no war" era, siting on his porch, sippin' on Jim Beam... the only thing that drives people to achieve better now is money. Money can buy you everything (at least in the land I'm now in).
Don't get me wrong, I'm all into working for happiness and not just a sheer bloody determination to make my first million. I do a shitload in my free time to help out other. But I also want a trip to Australia, Guatemala, UK... and until I see airlines flying people all over the world for free, I'm afraid I'll just have to stick to work for money.
The article is fucked up, black/white. It's naive to write it in such a manner. It's just dumb and ignorant as shit.
Let's be honest for a moment, the first dude lived from what? 1900 to 1970something?
He went throught 2 real wars and a cold war...and we all know that war is the awesome thing that bonds whole nations to work their asses off and create things that were unimaginable few years ago...
So much awesome stuff was developed for war, then hit mainstream...
Second dude lives from 1978 if I'm not mistaken, he's chilling in a "peace no war" era, siting on his porch, sippin' on Jim Beam... the only thing that drives people to achieve better now is money. Money can buy you everything (at least in the land I'm now in).
Don't get me wrong, I'm all into working for happiness and not just a sheer bloody determination to make my first million. I do a shitload in my free time to help out other. But I also want a trip to Australia, Guatemala, UK... and until I see airlines flying people all over the world for free, I'm afraid I'll just have to stick to work for money.
The article is fucked up, black/white. It's naive to write it in such a manner. It's just dumb and ignorant as shit.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,891
@previous (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
The write of that Opinion Piece is the type of faggot who would read Eat, Pray, Love and seriously suggest that everyone should go on such a journey.
The write of that Opinion Piece is the type of faggot who would read Eat, Pray, Love and seriously suggest that everyone should go on such a journey.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,893
@24,887 (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
@previous (K)
I didn’t recall the author saying that happiness itself is the best end-goal. I read it as an analysis of a current phenomenon. I didn’t see him arguing for anything.
@previous (K)
I didn’t recall the author saying that happiness itself is the best end-goal. I read it as an analysis of a current phenomenon. I didn’t see him arguing for anything.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #24,921
@previous (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
He's arguing that Americans are now choosing to find "meaning" rather than make "money." There has to be a drive behind that.
He's arguing that Americans are now choosing to find "meaning" rather than make "money." There has to be a drive behind that.
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #24,938
@24,893 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
@previous (K)
Also, he's comparing 2 totally different worlds.
What do you think, would your grandmother cook potatoes, then mash them by hands if she had a frozen mashed potato meal in the freezer ready to be heated up in the microwave? No she wouldn't.
@previous (K)
Also, he's comparing 2 totally different worlds.
What do you think, would your grandmother cook potatoes, then mash them by hands if she had a frozen mashed potato meal in the freezer ready to be heated up in the microwave? No she wouldn't.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 21 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #24,971
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
So, in a nutshell, if we’ve solved the more basic issues in Maslow’s Hierarchy, we’d naturally move up to other things, and pursue those intellectual curiosities?
So, in a nutshell, if we’ve solved the more basic issues in Maslow’s Hierarchy, we’d naturally move up to other things, and pursue those intellectual curiosities?
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #24,977
@previous (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
Except, that's not what's happening. The bottom 80% of Americans have been on a downward trend since about 1979.
Except, that's not what's happening. The bottom 80% of Americans have been on a downward trend since about 1979.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #24,985
The most obnoxious part for me is the author's condescending claim that "Sam wasn't the most refined person"... as opposed to the Renaissance Man of the 21st century, who plays Farmville or tweets about "modern art" (John Grisham, Dan Brown or Stephanie Meyer?) from his 'daring' vacation to Miami Beach. Vomit. The rest is largely just a variation of hackneyed ideas about capitalism's need to maximize efficiency by minimizing labour.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #24,986
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
Yeah, try going on meaningful pursuits when you're exhausted from working two jobs.
Yeah, try going on meaningful pursuits when you're exhausted from working two jobs.
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 19 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,025
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,030
AC !tyLmN8C16E (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,032
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,037
@previous (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
Also, I do not think that is an example of hyperbole. Hyperbole would be something like, "I'm hungry enough to eat a horse!"
Also, I do not think that is an example of hyperbole. Hyperbole would be something like, "I'm hungry enough to eat a horse!"
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Anonymous K double-posted this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,059
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)
I disagree.
I disagree.
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,161
@24,659 (The Continental !!+bfOgzYS+)
> I am listening. What did I miss? I am not arguing I promise. I will listen.
The point is that inequality itself is the source of the problem. Giving away money does some good, but is merely a bandage that has its own flaws.
Reducing the incredible wealth at the top, while increasing wages and stability for the rest of the people, is itself the most appropriate solution. The rich just need to stop using their power to further their own ridiculous wealth.
…and don't just give me your Trickle-Down bullshit; Reaganomics are long-debunked, and we all know that only the most paltry of scraps are what trickle down. (Not talking to Matt, just pre-empting the obvious reply.)
> I am listening. What did I miss? I am not arguing I promise. I will listen.
The point is that inequality itself is the source of the problem. Giving away money does some good, but is merely a bandage that has its own flaws.
Reducing the incredible wealth at the top, while increasing wages and stability for the rest of the people, is itself the most appropriate solution. The rich just need to stop using their power to further their own ridiculous wealth.
…and don't just give me your Trickle-Down bullshit; Reaganomics are long-debunked, and we all know that only the most paltry of scraps are what trickle down. (Not talking to Matt, just pre-empting the obvious reply.)
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Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,163
@previous (T)
Exactly! It's not that that bottom have voluntarily relinquished their wealth in exchange for some nebulous and obscure "meaning", but that the rich are moving the entire economic structure in the US backwards.
Exactly! It's not that that bottom have voluntarily relinquished their wealth in exchange for some nebulous and obscure "meaning", but that the rich are moving the entire economic structure in the US backwards.
Anonymous T replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,171
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,178
Anonymous T replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,189
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Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,390
the poor deserve piss-all. if i work hard for my fortunes, why should i give it away?
The Truth !!vSp31CfSr replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,393
!tyLmN8C16E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #25,553
@25,390 (U)
Because you do piss-all good with a large portion of that money except put hardworking, kind people out of work, or into under-employment. Your reluctance to contribute value to the economy unless it provides you with far greater power, and use that power to squeeze more into your pockets is problematic.
Fair wages for fine work; the working classes need patrons, as the churches have fallen out of power, and the money became concentrated in a small group who had exploited the system (often legally) in unethical manners have failed to distribute the wealth as good as some Godlike Emperor or the church have.
I don't call for a regression of standards, or an adoption of the historical unethical behaviors of the previous forms of government, but I want something akin to their civic and social structure, with an appreciation for craftsmanship.
And, a merger of our learnings about equality, medicine, creativity, and standardization, amongst the simple aesthetic quality of life beyond materialism.
*sorry, high and I finally have time to read and write for entertainment**
Because you do piss-all good with a large portion of that money except put hardworking, kind people out of work, or into under-employment. Your reluctance to contribute value to the economy unless it provides you with far greater power, and use that power to squeeze more into your pockets is problematic.
Fair wages for fine work; the working classes need patrons, as the churches have fallen out of power, and the money became concentrated in a small group who had exploited the system (often legally) in unethical manners have failed to distribute the wealth as good as some Godlike Emperor or the church have.
I don't call for a regression of standards, or an adoption of the historical unethical behaviors of the previous forms of government, but I want something akin to their civic and social structure, with an appreciation for craftsmanship.
And, a merger of our learnings about equality, medicine, creativity, and standardization, amongst the simple aesthetic quality of life beyond materialism.
*sorry, high and I finally have time to read and write for entertainment**
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Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 9 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #26,424
*BUMP*
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #26,445
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Green !pFNWNYROxA joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #26,496
I'm unemployed. Along with 3 million other people in here. All looking for under 500,000 jobs. All I want to do is have a deep sleep.