marvin !H0G.H/BnJg joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later[^][v]#227,713
Yes. You should join a union too.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^][v]#227,718
@OP
Any union in particular or just unions in general?
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^][v]#227,720
What makes you think it would be unethical?
sluggy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^][v]#227,721
My job is able to be done by machines.
There is a robot that can do the job of my entire department (currently 2 are in use in the US. One a few blocks from where I work). This robot can also do the work at a rate humans are incapable of. It's really insane.
By working, I am helping to make money for a company that will use that money to replace me (hopefully not, though. It's really expensive up front and we are non-profit, so hopefully i can keep my job).
Already many hospitals are replacing full-time workers with per diem employees working the same hours. It saves the company tons of money at the cost of employees. It's a loophole in the law that allows them to employ people full-time but not pay benefits. Currently, my hospital only does it with part-time employees. Which is actually more beneficial to the part-timers that have other jobs because it's more pay and they already have health insurance.
I have zero worth to my employer beyond what they have invested in me in training. The second it becomes more cost effective to have a per diem, I'll be one of the first to go. I'm a good employee, too. A lot of people can't handle working third shift. It doesn't matter how hard I work, though. I'm unimportant. A per diem would save money and still get the work done.
A union would make me sleep a little easier.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#227,758
There are a lot of good things about corporations, and there are some bad things about corporations, particularly how they have a tendency to extort people. The same can be said about unions. They're a good way to give employees the power of collective bargaining and fight exploitation, but at the same time they sometimes gain so much power that it hurts the company, its stockholders, and even the employees it's supposed to represent, in the long run. They're two sides of the same coin in a way. Two ruthless dogs that are really just meant for each other.
Look at GM. The union was so powerful that guys would get paid $33/hour to sweep the floor, while some employees got full pay for being suspended indefinitely. You can't deny that this has a lot to do with the company's failure. Sometimes corporations exploit their employees, and sometimes unions drive companies into the ground.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,786
We need competition in our unions.
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,793