Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#227,049
@previous ([^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3.)
So what about Anon E's question: Do you have a lot of restrictions because of the felony, what's the hardest thing about it?
Inquiring Minichanners want to know.
[^_^] !ZSnwP1dSjU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,053
> can you tell us more about the crime?
I took pictures of the front and back of cards and they were put through a machine that reprogrammed walmart gift cards into the visa mastercard ect.
> how many times etc what exactly?
Personally I probably took 50 total, including front and back, 25 cards in total. I didn't buy anything with them and I plead out to Conspiracy to Commit Access Device Fraud.
> jail time?
Original sentence, 1.5 months in jail, 6 months halfway house, 3 years probation. I ended up violating probation for failing to report for three months. I forgot lol. I spent a month and a half in jail again just waiting for the judge to come back from his vacation to sentence me. He had a good skiing trip, I got time served and just had my probation reinstated, not extended. Off since september 2nd.
> whats it like in court etc?
Before you're in handcuffs and a orange jumpsuit, its like church. Its painfully slow and its slower when you're in orange.
> funny stories
I actually have a lot, but I don't want to focus on any aspect of this as positive besides the fact that I got off so lucky.
> Are you paranoid about your own credit cards now?
Lol I have shit credit. I can't get credit cards!
> Do you have a lot of restrictions because of the felony?
Not sure on the whole extent of it, but I know I can't vote for atleast 7 years, and I can't own a gun for atleast 7 years also. After the 7 years is up, I may write a petition to the current president to grant me my rights back. I'm almost guaranteed the right to vote back, but the right to own a gun? Not likely.
> What's the hardest thing about it?
Having to report it on job/credit/housing applications for 7 years from September Second , 2011.
Edit: Got my trip wrong I guess, This is definitely OP on my computer.
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,055
Can you move faster than the speed of love?
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,056
@previous (I)
Nope. But that's not related to my felony
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,057
How did you take the pictures of the CCs?
What did you expect to get out of it?
[^_^] !ZSnwP1dSjU replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,059
> Have you considered suiing your accomplice? You fulfilled your end of the bargain.
> Implying I have money for a lawyer :/
> How did they get caught?
Fucking moron, rented a car IN HIS NAME with a stolen card, and paid HIS phone bill ONLINE (online made it federal automatically)
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,064
@previous ([^_^] !ZSnwP1dSjU)
.... what a fucking idiot.
Did he rat you out?
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,066
Nexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,070
@previous ([^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3.)
What was going through your head when:
A. You were stealing the cards.
B. Getting arrested for having said cards.
C. Getting sentenced.
D. Getting released.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,071
@227,068 ([^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3.)
... don't slack on your responsibilities.
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,073
> What was going through your head when: > A. You were stealing the cards.
I never stole cards physically. > B. Getting arrested for having said cards.
I was questioned, was indicted, was on pre-trial, self surrendered. Never arrested. > C. Getting sentenced.
Relief, I thought i was going to have 3 months > D. Getting released.
Happy, I spent a month and a half with 7 illegal immigrants, two of which spoke English.
Release from my violation time was good too. My dog missed me.
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,074
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,075
@previous ([^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3.)
You are a terrible criminal. If someone rats you out, you are supposed to murder them. It discourages others from the practice.
I guess you should find a new line of work.
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,076
I took pictures. Oh so terrible. I'm not a criminal, I'm a felon and a stoner.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 41 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,078
@previous ([^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3.)
You didn't steal any money yet the state had to pay for your prosecution, possibly your defense if your attorney was court appointed. Also your incarceration cost money as did your probation. These are taxpayer dollars we are talking about here. Now who is the real fucking fraud??? Fuck the man.
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sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,080
@227,076 ([^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3.)
I meant that you are terrible at being a criminal.
I don't think you deserved prison time for what you did.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,081
@previous (sluggy)
Let's be criminals together. Jewel theives.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,179
lol
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,183
Is it necessary to drink your own urine?
Homestar !RUNNERV7vk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,184
> >jail time? > Original sentence, 1.5 months in jail, 6 months halfway house, 3 years probation. I ended up violating probation for failing to report for three months. I forgot lol. I spent a month and a half in jail again just waiting for the judge to come back from his vacation to sentence me. He had a good skiing trip, I got time served and just had my probation reinstated, not extended. Off since september 2nd.
lolamerica
highest incarceration rates in the world
recession? criminals costing millions of dollars to be jailed? it couldn't possibly be a solution to... ya know... stop spending money on unnecessary jailing, right?
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,186
@previous (Homestar !RUNNERV7vk)
Lol at your idea that sound logic like that would be applied by the fucking retards who run the show over here. But seriously, it's so ridiculous here sometimes.
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,188
@previous (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
It's like watching a bunch of retards try to fuck a doorknob.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,190
@227,186 (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
How should credit card fraud be punished, then?
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,191
@previous (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
Restitution. Limited access to certain fields of employment, like banking, until a person can show that they will not reoffend. These crimes are not without victims but I find it very hypocritical for the government to punish people for something it does more than anyone else.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,193
@227,081 (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
you would do that to your own people?
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 14 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,194
@227,191 (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
Should the government also not apply punitive sentences to people who kidnap or murder, since the state has the power to detain and execute?
I can get behind reforming sentences for drug offenses (or outright decriminalization), but credit card fraud is kind of a big deal in my mind. A few months in prison seems about right.
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,195
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,198
@227,194 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
Given that the state has a reputation, in some areas, for killing innocent people wrongly convicted I think the state should take a close look at it's practices in that area.
I don't see the point in OP's punishment. The sentence seemed a little heavy handed for what he actually did. Credit card fraud is very serious but I think his punishment was retarded and it was the taxpayer who lost the most money on the deal. In addition, as a convicted felon he is going to face some difficulties. How is that responsibility on the part of the state to waste taxpayer dollars and leave a person in a less advantageous position than they found them?
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 51 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,234
No!
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 47 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,258
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 29 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#227,283
@227,191 (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
Oh, I didn't have to pay restitution, it was basically written off ad bad debt by the credit cars companies (it was explained to me like that. I think its just because I was the only one out of the seven involved in my case that didn't buy anything with the stolen cards) but I did pay a court fee of $150. In the halfway house I paid them 25% of my earnings before taxes(which sucked) but during probation I had none of the fees that state probation/perole(sp?) people normally have to pay for, like my drug counseling classes, normal counseling classes, and Urine Analysis tests.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#227,689
@227,198 (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
Think of all the retail employees who have access to credit cards, who are making minimum wage... why do they not engage in fraud more often?
I think credit card fraud is one of those crimes where the deterrence factor really does work, so it's worthwhile to punish those who are caught pretty severely.
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#227,694
@previous (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
It is worth punishing, of course, but what method of punishment becomes the question. Does jail-time resolve this issue or does it only make them more cautious of their practices? By this I mean, is it a fitting punishment or what could be a better punishment for these people? I ask this simply as a moral dilemma; Is jail-time the best means to punish these offenders or is there a better alternative?
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 43 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#227,708
@previous (M)
It doesn't resolve it, but it certainly does help deter. There are incremental gains in the deterrence effect with increasing severity in punishment/charges, especially when you're bumping something up from a misdemeanor/fine to a felony/imprisonment. (There are diminishing returns after that based on what I've read.)
My concern isn't really with the individuals involved but a broader utilitarian view. In addition to deterrence, for people to have confidence in doing business and using credit cards, there needs to be an element of trust which this kind of crime can totally destroy. Harsh penalties do a bit to restore that.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg double-posted this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#227,710
@previous (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
I do sympathize with face though, I wanted to say.
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#227,715
@227,708 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg) > for people to have confidence in doing business and using credit cards, there needs to be an element of trust which this kind of crime can totally destroy. Harsh penalties do a bit to restore that.
I absolutely agree with this point. It makes the business market much more comfortable to businesses to conduct themselves via these platforms. I think it should be hardwired to people who try to exploit those platforms that they will be disciplined and punished for frauding the system itself. I think that these digital systems for exchanging money and so on will make intercontinental business more convenient. I certainly do not condone this fraudulent behavior by any means.
Maybe this deterrent of jail-time serves as a placeholder for people to not commit this crime, although I think about how many people get away with it and are never punished, much less prosecuted for such things. Correct me, please, and this is just my suggestion, but I think they should have their public information listed, their credit information much more public, and their lives much more detailed for this kind of crime. In such cases as with felons this is already the case, correct? I just find that jail-time is unnecessary. Maybe the amount of time is debatable, but please continue to debate me as necessary.
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sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#227,717
@227,708 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
I was under the impression that harsher penalties don't have an impact on crime.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#227,726
@previous (sluggy)
It's debated how far this works, but based on what I've read I think it's pretty clear that the imprisonment/no imprisonment distinction does matter quite a bit. There are different models and disagreement of course as to what punishment should and does do.
@227,715 (M)
AFAIK felons usually have to register with local police and it is a matter of public record of course too, but that would just be basic stuff like name, address, crime unless it's a sexual offense.
The credit info thing is really interesting. Seems invasive but somehow pretty fair given the attempt to fuck up the victim's credit.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 1 day later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#229,043
> Should the government also not apply punitive sentences to people who kidnap or murder, since the state has the power to detain and execute?
It is hypocritical for the state to apply punitive sentences to some people who kidnap or murder, while at the same time paying people to kidnap and murder.
> I can get behind reforming sentences for drug offenses (or outright decriminalization), but credit card fraud is kind of a big deal in my mind. A few months in prison seems about right.
Prison time solves nothing. Restitution helps everybody.
Anonymous D double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#229,044
@227,689 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
Because they believe theft is morally wrong.
Anonymous D triple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#229,045