Topic: What are the people occupying Wall Street hoping to accomplish?
Ks !KansasxqvM started this discussion 15 years ago #12,584
I'm all for a good protest or whatever, but what are they even doing? I keep up with the news, but I haven't heard much about it really. What is the point?Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #225,772
They are not a uniform movement. They are all there for different reasons.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #225,777
@previous (B)
Well that's cool and all, but they need to agree on something lol. People need something to stand behind, a clear goal. I'm honestly surprised the protests have lasted this long.
Well that's cool and all, but they need to agree on something lol. People need something to stand behind, a clear goal. I'm honestly surprised the protests have lasted this long.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #225,780
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Because people are pissed, people who are unemployed and have excess free time.
Because people are pissed, people who are unemployed and have excess free time.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #225,783
@225,777 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
They're self sustaining. Now the protests seem to be largely about police brutality in earlier protests.
They're self sustaining. Now the protests seem to be largely about police brutality in earlier protests.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 44 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #225,825
@previous (B)
> Now the protests seem to be largely about police brutality in earlier protests
Well that's good, when 700 non-violent protesters get arrested in one day, something is fucking wrong.
> Now the protests seem to be largely about police brutality in earlier protests
Well that's good, when 700 non-violent protesters get arrested in one day, something is fucking wrong.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #225,840
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Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #225,860
They're all there for different things. The goal is to 'occupy' Wall Street. I had a dream that someone with a large botnet would DDoS Wall Street and fuck up the stock market but I don't think that's very realistic IRL.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #225,873
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,028
I heard a lot of them want the minimum wage raised to $20/hour.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,034
I read about these guys today. Apparently there's less of them then there were, but they look set to grow again with all of the media attnetion and celebrity support they've gotten.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,044
@226,028 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)> I heard a lot of them want the minimum wage raised to $20/hour.
They have to get a job first, then they can complain about the pay.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,048
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
A lot of them could get jobs, but would rather be unemployed than work for minimum wage. I can't say I blame them. I wouldn't get out of bed for $7.25/hour.
A lot of them could get jobs, but would rather be unemployed than work for minimum wage. I can't say I blame them. I wouldn't get out of bed for $7.25/hour.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,051
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,054
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
I think the employers who think people can get by on $7.25/hour should kill themselves. I think minimum wage should be at least $10.
I think the employers who think people can get by on $7.25/hour should kill themselves. I think minimum wage should be at least $10.
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Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,055
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
No. If they don't want to do anything substantial with their lives then they're lucky to get $7.25.
No. If they don't want to do anything substantial with their lives then they're lucky to get $7.25.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,059
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
You can't do anything substantial with your life making $7.25. That's the point. If jobs paid more, people would do more to get jobs and be willing to do more.
You can't do anything substantial with your life making $7.25. That's the point. If jobs paid more, people would do more to get jobs and be willing to do more.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 58 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,062
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,064
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
How the fuck can someone making $7.25/hour save if they can't even make ends meet on that wage? You need disposable income to be able to save money.
How the fuck can someone making $7.25/hour save if they can't even make ends meet on that wage? You need disposable income to be able to save money.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,067
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,070
@226,064 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
Pay isn't the only issue. Plenty of people get by on 7.25 an hour, they just have to live within their means. One of the big reasons we got into this financial crisis is because so many people lived in a way they couldn't afford to sustain.
Pay isn't the only issue. Plenty of people get by on 7.25 an hour, they just have to live within their means. One of the big reasons we got into this financial crisis is because so many people lived in a way they couldn't afford to sustain.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,075
@226,067 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Are you 15 and never had a job before? You can't just "find a way" unless by find a way you mean find a way to get paid more, and for some people that's not gonna happen unless the minimum wage is raised so that they'll have at least a small opportunity to find a way to save money and get somewhere.
Are you 15 and never had a job before? You can't just "find a way" unless by find a way you mean find a way to get paid more, and for some people that's not gonna happen unless the minimum wage is raised so that they'll have at least a small opportunity to find a way to save money and get somewhere.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,080
@226,070 (I)
With the cost of living the way it is, I don't see how anyone can get by on roughly $14,500/year, and that's assuming their employer gives them full-time hours. The minimum wage, as it is right now, is not a livable wage.
With the cost of living the way it is, I don't see how anyone can get by on roughly $14,500/year, and that's assuming their employer gives them full-time hours. The minimum wage, as it is right now, is not a livable wage.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,085
@226,075 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
To be honest I don't really care enough about these people to argue with you, most are rednecks/anarchist wannabes.
Most of them will never aspire to anything (even if they were given the money), they are lazy, selfish and clueless.
It's a shitty world, and some people will always have to do the shitty jobs while the rest stand on their shoulders, it's has been that way for thousands of years.
These people are less than worthless.
To be honest I don't really care enough about these people to argue with you, most are rednecks/anarchist wannabes.
Most of them will never aspire to anything (even if they were given the money), they are lazy, selfish and clueless.
It's a shitty world, and some people will always have to do the shitty jobs while the rest stand on their shoulders, it's has been that way for thousands of years.
These people are less than worthless.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,091
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
> To be honest I don't really care enough about these people to argue with you, most are rednecks/anarchist wannabes.
> Most of them will never aspire to anything (even if they were given the money), they are lazy, selfish and clueless.
> It's a shitty world, and some people will always have to do the shitty jobs while the rest stand on their shoulders, it's has been that way for thousands of years.
>
> These people are less than worthless.
If that's your attitude towards the poor and people who struggle to get by, then that explains a lot about your positions.
> To be honest I don't really care enough about these people to argue with you, most are rednecks/anarchist wannabes.
> Most of them will never aspire to anything (even if they were given the money), they are lazy, selfish and clueless.
> It's a shitty world, and some people will always have to do the shitty jobs while the rest stand on their shoulders, it's has been that way for thousands of years.
>
> These people are less than worthless.
If that's your attitude towards the poor and people who struggle to get by, then that explains a lot about your positions.
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,094
@226,080 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
Have you ever considered that minimum wage is mostly for the low-rank, new employees. Even fast food restaurants will pay around $10/hour after a few months working there (in my experience).
I do understand fully that living on minimum wage is practically impossible, but you have to take into account the fact that businesses will raise their prices to cover the losses sustained in having to pay more. That would pretty much even out any minimum wage increase.
Have you ever considered that minimum wage is mostly for the low-rank, new employees. Even fast food restaurants will pay around $10/hour after a few months working there (in my experience).
I do understand fully that living on minimum wage is practically impossible, but you have to take into account the fact that businesses will raise their prices to cover the losses sustained in having to pay more. That would pretty much even out any minimum wage increase.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,095
@226,091 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
> Poor
Some people have to be poor for the rest of us to be rich.
Seriously be realistic, who do you expect will do the shitty jobs that have to be done? Robots?
> Poor
Some people have to be poor for the rest of us to be rich.
Seriously be realistic, who do you expect will do the shitty jobs that have to be done? Robots?
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,107
@226,094 (I)
> Have you ever considered that minimum wage is mostly for the low-rank, new employees. Even fast food restaurants will pay around $10/hour after a few months working there (in my experience).
> I do understand fully that living on minimum wage is practically impossible, but you have to take into account the fact that businesses will raise their prices to cover the losses sustained in having to pay more. That would pretty much even out any minimum wage increase.
Yes, that is true. But what about the places that don't raise you up to $10/hour after working there for a few months? And starting off at minimum wage and working your way up as a teenager might be fine, but what about the people who get laid off and have families to support and can only find minimum wage jobs in the current job market. Is it fair to them and there families to work for several months before finally getting paid better? Is the labor you give to the company when you first start working there that much different from the labor you give them a few months down the line? You're right that almost no one pays minimum wage anymore. I've never worked for minimum wage, even when I just started out bagging groceries when I was 17. That's all the more reason why the minimum wage should be raised. If grocery stores can afford to pay baggers and cart pushers more than minimum wage, any company that is only paying minimum wage is blatantly exploiting their employees, and it's especially a problem right now because of the way the economy is. The minimum wage wasn't a hot issue a few years ago, because almost no one was getting paid minimum wage, but now the job market is set up so that employers can pay minimum wage and exploit those who are desperate for work. $7.25/hour is practically slave labor with today's costs of living, especially when you consider inflation over the past 10 years.
Yes, sometimes businesses will have to raise their prices to cover the costs, but most of the time they won't raise their prices because they know that doing so can cause them to lose business. Most businesses have their prices set to maximize profit, and raising the minimum wage simply means they'll have to share some of that profit with their employees. Raising the minimum wage can sometimes cause prices to go up and therefore create inflation, but as I pointed out, there has been so much inflation over the years that raising the minimum wage probably won't force it up any higher.
> Have you ever considered that minimum wage is mostly for the low-rank, new employees. Even fast food restaurants will pay around $10/hour after a few months working there (in my experience).
> I do understand fully that living on minimum wage is practically impossible, but you have to take into account the fact that businesses will raise their prices to cover the losses sustained in having to pay more. That would pretty much even out any minimum wage increase.
Yes, that is true. But what about the places that don't raise you up to $10/hour after working there for a few months? And starting off at minimum wage and working your way up as a teenager might be fine, but what about the people who get laid off and have families to support and can only find minimum wage jobs in the current job market. Is it fair to them and there families to work for several months before finally getting paid better? Is the labor you give to the company when you first start working there that much different from the labor you give them a few months down the line? You're right that almost no one pays minimum wage anymore. I've never worked for minimum wage, even when I just started out bagging groceries when I was 17. That's all the more reason why the minimum wage should be raised. If grocery stores can afford to pay baggers and cart pushers more than minimum wage, any company that is only paying minimum wage is blatantly exploiting their employees, and it's especially a problem right now because of the way the economy is. The minimum wage wasn't a hot issue a few years ago, because almost no one was getting paid minimum wage, but now the job market is set up so that employers can pay minimum wage and exploit those who are desperate for work. $7.25/hour is practically slave labor with today's costs of living, especially when you consider inflation over the past 10 years.
Yes, sometimes businesses will have to raise their prices to cover the costs, but most of the time they won't raise their prices because they know that doing so can cause them to lose business. Most businesses have their prices set to maximize profit, and raising the minimum wage simply means they'll have to share some of that profit with their employees. Raising the minimum wage can sometimes cause prices to go up and therefore create inflation, but as I pointed out, there has been so much inflation over the years that raising the minimum wage probably won't force it up any higher.
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Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,121
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
> Yes, sometimes businesses will have to raise their prices to cover the costs, but most of the time they won't raise their prices because they know that doing so can cause them to lose business. Most businesses have their prices set to maximize profit, and raising the minimum wage simply means they'll have to share some of that profit with their employees. Raising the minimum wage can sometimes cause prices to go up and therefore create inflation, but as I pointed out, there has been so much inflation over the years that raising the minimum wage probably won't force it up any higher.
Have you been living under a rock?
How many businesses have gone bust in the past few years and were unable to pay staff what was owed to them?
If these past few years have thought us anything it's that the minimum wage should be abolished not increased.
> Yes, sometimes businesses will have to raise their prices to cover the costs, but most of the time they won't raise their prices because they know that doing so can cause them to lose business. Most businesses have their prices set to maximize profit, and raising the minimum wage simply means they'll have to share some of that profit with their employees. Raising the minimum wage can sometimes cause prices to go up and therefore create inflation, but as I pointed out, there has been so much inflation over the years that raising the minimum wage probably won't force it up any higher.
Have you been living under a rock?
How many businesses have gone bust in the past few years and were unable to pay staff what was owed to them?
If these past few years have thought us anything it's that the minimum wage should be abolished not increased.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,126
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
> minimum wage should be abolished not increased.
> Seriously be realistic, who do you expect will do the shitty jobs that have to be done? Robots?
> minimum wage should be abolished not increased.
> Seriously be realistic, who do you expect will do the shitty jobs that have to be done? Robots?
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,127
@226,121 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Businesses fail all the time. Businesses will still go out of business even if there were no minimum wage, and in the few rare cases where paying their employees a decent wage is the straw breaks the camel's back, I still have no sympathy. "Oh if would just exploit our employees and not pay them jack shit, then our business will just barely keep its head above the water." Fuck those businesses. Let them go under.
Businesses fail all the time. Businesses will still go out of business even if there were no minimum wage, and in the few rare cases where paying their employees a decent wage is the straw breaks the camel's back, I still have no sympathy. "Oh if would just exploit our employees and not pay them jack shit, then our business will just barely keep its head above the water." Fuck those businesses. Let them go under.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 second later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,128
@226,126 (J)
They'll be filled, because like it not, they WILL work those jobs.
They won't have an option B.
They'll be filled, because like it not, they WILL work those jobs.
They won't have an option B.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,129
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,142
@226,128 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Sounds like China, or tons of third-world countries, man. We're past all that lol. ;)
Sounds like China, or tons of third-world countries, man. We're past all that lol. ;)
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,146
@225,840 (D)
> They were trespassing on public property!
@225,857 (D)
> They weren't ordinarypublic! They were dangerpublic!
Hahah oh man.
> They were trespassing on public property!
@225,857 (D)
> They weren't ordinarypublic! They were dangerpublic!
Hahah oh man.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,148
@226,129 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
They can fuck off and live an amish lifestyle.
They are only being exploited if they actually go for the job (Which most are not because they are living off social welfare).
@226,142 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
You'd think that, but we are very far from the last hurdle.
By the time this recession is all over most people will literally be working for monkey nuts.
They can fuck off and live an amish lifestyle.
They are only being exploited if they actually go for the job (Which most are not because they are living off social welfare).
@226,142 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
You'd think that, but we are very far from the last hurdle.
By the time this recession is all over most people will literally be working for monkey nuts.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,162
Lol @ broseph opposing free contract. Sup, my statist brother?
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,167
@previous (L)
You should back up your words and withdraw from society. Otherwise you're just an armchair autist.
You should back up your words and withdraw from society. Otherwise you're just an armchair autist.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 33 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,214
@226,121 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)If anything, it's the DOLLAR that should be decreased. Even though our current (as of 2010) minimum wages may look higher, they are actually worth less than the 90's minimum wage. Did you get that right? WE'RE BEING PAYED EVEN LESS THAN WHAT WE WERE BEING PAYED TWENTY YEARS AGO AND YOU WANT TO ELIMINATE THE VERY THING PROTECTING US FROM THE BAD SIDE OF INFLATION WITHOUT ELIMINATING INFLATION ITSELF.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 58 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,216
@226,148 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
> They can fuck off and live an amish lifestyle.
> They are only being exploited if they actually go for the job (Which most are not because they are living off social welfare).
OK, so those people who you're mad at for not working, are doing exactly what you say they should do, which is not work for companies that are going to exploit them. They're protesting because they want to work, they just want to work at a livable wage.
> You'd think that, but we are very far from the last hurdle.
> By the time this recession is all over most people will literally be working for monkey nuts.
Which is why we should raise the minimum wage.
@226,162 (L)
I'm usually pretty libertarian, but this is one of the few economic issues that I side almost completely with Democrats on. 5 years ago I would have agreed almost completely with Handel, but things change.
> They can fuck off and live an amish lifestyle.
> They are only being exploited if they actually go for the job (Which most are not because they are living off social welfare).
OK, so those people who you're mad at for not working, are doing exactly what you say they should do, which is not work for companies that are going to exploit them. They're protesting because they want to work, they just want to work at a livable wage.
> You'd think that, but we are very far from the last hurdle.
> By the time this recession is all over most people will literally be working for monkey nuts.
Which is why we should raise the minimum wage.
@226,162 (L)
I'm usually pretty libertarian, but this is one of the few economic issues that I side almost completely with Democrats on. 5 years ago I would have agreed almost completely with Handel, but things change.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,217
@226,214 (D)
This. The minimum wage hasn't even been adjusted enough to account for inflation. Normally, raising the minimum wage would cause inflation, but in this case, we would just be adjusting it to catch up with the inflation that has taken place.
This. The minimum wage hasn't even been adjusted enough to account for inflation. Normally, raising the minimum wage would cause inflation, but in this case, we would just be adjusting it to catch up with the inflation that has taken place.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,221
@226,216 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
I'm pretty liberal on just about everything, but I haven't seen any evidence (or any convincing arguments) that increasing the minimum wage really helps long term. I realize the current standard isn't a living wage, but I can't imagine a true living wage ever becoming the standard minimum wage without a major restructuring of the economy, which no one (of any party) would stand for. These ten- or fifteen-cent raises don't mean shit really.
I'm pretty liberal on just about everything, but I haven't seen any evidence (or any convincing arguments) that increasing the minimum wage really helps long term. I realize the current standard isn't a living wage, but I can't imagine a true living wage ever becoming the standard minimum wage without a major restructuring of the economy, which no one (of any party) would stand for. These ten- or fifteen-cent raises don't mean shit really.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,224
@previous (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
I had a friend show me some really convincing stuff, but I don't remember where to find it. I'll try to find it and post it. I'm probably one of the most fiscally/economically conservative people here, and it convinced me.
You're absolutely right that 10 and 15 cent raises don't mean shit, and you're also absolutely right about the major restructuring of the economy. A major restructuring of the economy is exactly what we need. Jacking up the minimum wage would be one of the first steps IMO.
I had a friend show me some really convincing stuff, but I don't remember where to find it. I'll try to find it and post it. I'm probably one of the most fiscally/economically conservative people here, and it convinced me.
You're absolutely right that 10 and 15 cent raises don't mean shit, and you're also absolutely right about the major restructuring of the economy. A major restructuring of the economy is exactly what we need. Jacking up the minimum wage would be one of the first steps IMO.
sluggy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,298
it doesn't matter. Within a decade civilization will collapse.
hamfist !!snnYcROO9 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,343
First world can't revolt without complete economic collapse. Even then, it'll most likely be some retarded libertarian revolution.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 57 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,383
@previous (hamfist !!snnYcROO9)
> liberty is retarded
> hamfist
hahahahahahahaha It's alright, you're already on Obama's hitlist!
> liberty is retarded
> hamfist
hahahahahahahaha It's alright, you're already on Obama's hitlist!
hamfist !!snnYcROO9 replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,488
Unintentional Jackass !LASXURl1b6 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,496
I make $12 an hour, and it's only enough for pocket money. If minimum wage is really any less than $14-15 for an adult, who could well be supporting a family, then your system is horseshit.
Also, relevent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yrT-0Xbrn4 (unlisted video with a pretty cool guy)
Also, relevent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yrT-0Xbrn4 (unlisted video with a pretty cool guy)
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,499
Anonymous L double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,501
hamfist !!snnYcROO9 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,534
The working class is going to be perpetually fucked and no amount of trendy social media can change that.
[^_^] !yyQ9.ZkX3. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #226,536
@previous (hamfist !!snnYcROO9)
> implying anyone who can't vote and doesn't work really knows what they're talking about.
> implying anyone who can't vote and doesn't work really knows what they're talking about.