Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 weeks ago, 3 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,361,244
I’m a dude, but I’ve always noticed this about sexists. Nobody ever hates the gender they’re not attracted to. I’ve never met a real lesbian that hated men, and I’ve never met a real gay that hated women.
Watching people fall for this decade after decade without a clue is mind boggling, because most never reach this point you're at, they never wake up.
Every woman I've ever met acts the same way. Narcissistic, unproductive, holding affection hostage for money, openly puts emotion over reason, and actively hostile to their own nation.
My guess is that it's a holdover from the time when women actually were at the mercy of men, people have instinctual empathy that protected the most vulnerable in their tribe. As we entered the modern world, that sympathy is now being exploited to advantage a group that is already the most advantaged.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 weeks ago, 48 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,361,284
@1,361,275 (C)
It's not every man. I realized early on, despite the overwhelming hormones and dreams of building a family.
In my world though, you can't say any of it openly, because the majority of men will make infinite excuses, hold onto hope that siding with the woman will get them favor, never question the validity of their love for any random immoral woman.
It's simple, if the majority of men understood the problem, this would be solved. Men hold a lot of power directly, but enact and enforce rules to make life hell for other men and let women go consequence-free for bad behavior.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2 weeks ago, 35 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,361,303
@1,361,292 (D)
Men will miss court dates, and have no answer when a judge ask them the simplest questions about their child and then be shocked when they dont get full custody
Men won't try for custody but then claim everyone is colluding to keep their children away from them
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2 weeks ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,361,308
@1,361,292 (D)
A man thinks birth control is ejaculating into a woman and then saying he doesn't want kids
A man will say he was babytrapped if he cums into a woman and she gets pregnant, because she didn't say she wasn't on birth control (he never asked) and "she knew what she was doing"
Men will toil in dangerous, dirty jobs that sap their health and come home to listen to their wife complain that they aren't around enough. Men sacrifice their happiness to support their family.
The Apex fallacy again, where feminists ignore all but the very cream of the crop of men, the very rich very successful men that can do things like this. Of course they have multiple families, or ignore the one night stand, because women enable them to do this. All the women fight over the top 10% and then wonder why they don't have any leverage to get good behavior out of men that have all these options.
Most men in history didn't get a family at all.
Women could at any point avoid this completely if they just decided that being an average woman meant they should find an average man. He couldn't dump them like a rockstar could, and he wouldn't be able to just go and start a second family. The average man can't even afford that.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 weeks ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,361,322
@1,361,312 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Paying someone a lot of money to listen to you talk, and then give you head nods and platitudes isn't actually a solution to their problems.
People are unwell because of material conditions, or because they have a natural negative response to not having an intimate partner. Therapy doesn't solve those types of problems.
No, but like all feminists, the problem you highlighted is one that only pops up with the top 10% of men and yet feminists never stop to consider that the problem is they refuse to date anyone who isn't elite.
> B. Maybe average men are still too shit for most women to deal with?
Even if every man grew a few inches, doubled his income, and became more attentive this wouldn't change.
Women have the option to reproduce with the relative elite, and there always will be a relative elite.
Again, mathematically not every man can be in the top 20%. No amount of effort will ever change that.
> And men cause single motherhood by Cumming into vaginas
The woman chose to have sex, and also decided the man she had sex with shouldn't be in the kids life.
If women could control their sexual drive and only had sex with men that were fit for fatherhood, this would be solved.
> It can help and men definitely need help. They certainly aren't helping each other
If you have financial problems, spending all that money will just make things worse.
If you have love problem, a therapist is not going to give you some magic knowledge that fixes a problem caused by evolutionary and cultural forces.
> You have no basis behind any numbers that you quote
I've observed it, and there is data from dating apps, and there is even DNA evidence that most men don't reproduce but most women do.
> I'd love to see who you consider to be elite, because below average men are able to breed
Income, physical health, and social status are not as subjective as you're making it out to be.
Most below average men do not breed. Some do, but it's at a much greater cost in courtship, and it requires a bit of luck.
> Men choose to have sex, choose to not wear condoms, and choose to abandon their children. Fit fathers by law get to see their children
They get visitation, but they don't get primary custody. The parent that gets primary custody is the one that receives child support.
> Men are the ones who beg to not wear condoms. Wear a fucking condom
Only women can decide after conception whether the be parents. Women can abort, and men are forced into responsibility if she chooses to have the kid. Even if they don't stick around, the courts will make him pay for it. He can't get a 'financial abortion' so to speak.
Most single mothers do it by choice, and have made a choice to keep the father's involvement at a minimum. If that's because he's not a good father, then she shouldn't have had sex with him.
Men dont try for full custody. They don't ask for it so they don't get it
During custody agreements, judges will ask men the minimal amount of info about their kids and use them answers to help decide who gets more custody. Men dont know things about their kids
Men can choose not to cum in a vagina
Its the cheapest, easiest form of birth control. They don't use them because they don't give a shit
Most men can get along fine with other men, even when they disagree, because they see the value in peace.
> Your made up numbers mean nothing. Period
I didn't make up the numbers OKCupid or Tinder released, and I didn't make up the DNA evidence that researchers collected.
> Why should below average men breed?
You're changing the topic. I never said they should all breed, but I am contesting your assertion that below average men breed. A few do, because there's exceptions to every rule.
> Men dont try for full custody. They don't ask for it so they don't get it
Why would a man spend thousands of dollars he doesn't have on lawyers when the family court system is rigged in favor of women?
> During custody agreements, judges will ask men the minimal amount of info about their kids and use them answers to help decide who gets more custody. Men dont know things about their kids
That's made up, there's nothing in US law that sets that standard.
> Men can choose not to cum in a vagina
It's part of life. When pregnancy happens, society should be making sure the kid has two parents to look after them.
> Its the cheapest, easiest form of birth control. They don't use them because they don't give a shit.
You said men beg not to use it, that sounds like the type of man that does want a family.
And yet I've specifically criticized women that put feelings and hedonism over their families, and highlighted how men sacrifice to support those families.
How did you come to the conclusion that I support base hedonistic desires, or that I'm against overcoming those desires?
Be specific, quote something I've said, because you're acting as if I've said the opposite of what I really did.
Anonymous C replied with this 2 weeks ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,361,360
@previous (D)
Well it’s really simple. Your conscious mind doesn’t like women, but there’s conflict inside of you because you still sexually desire women, but you can’t control yourself.
> Your conscious mind doesn’t like women, but there’s conflict inside of you because you still sexually desire women, but you can’t control yourself.
What isn't being controlled?
No one can change who they are sexually attracted to, and that's even part of the ideology on the left, which is why they want conversion therapy banned.
Do you think conversion therapy (in either direction) is actually possible, and that it's a good thing?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 weeks ago, 45 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,361,397
I'm not reading this whole thread. I just have to say that she is the one who has been a fan of my photography on Instagram for years. We never really talked until she started messaging me in December. I didn't really try to flirt or anything, because I had no intention of catching feelings for her, but the more she messaged me and the more we had intellectual and emotional conversations, the more I started to catch feelings. At one point, I think I didn't message her back or something, and we went maybe a month or so without talking. Then, about a month ago she messaged me to ask how I was doing. She wanted to do a photoshoot, and then she wanted to just go hiking with me, and then she wanted to show me her college portfolio, and then she started telling me about how grateful she was to have me in her life and how intelligent, cultured, and emotionally intelligent I am. I gradually started being a little bit more flirty without being overt with it. I mean, hell, at one point when I mentioned eating a black girl's ass she told me that I should "find another black queen" because "all our bootyholes taste sweet."
We went out into the woods on Saturday to shoot. She bought me food and we ate, and then we went on the trails. We shot for around 3.5 hours. I took over 700 photos of her. She gave me the look the entire time. We made deep eye contact literally any time my eyeball wasn't up to the viewfinder. Regardless of the obvious signals, I knew she was still hung up on her ex that cheated on her nonstop and left her. After the shoot, we sat down at a picnic table and talked for a little bit longer. We vibed really well. She touched me a few times, and I touched her hair. At one point, she told me that the look I give her is the same look her ex gave her, and I said "the only difference is that I mean it."
Despite all of this, I didn't make a move on her. I didn't want to disrespect her like that, because it started out as a friendship (I think I'm actually the one who defined it as that, when I told her it was nice to not have to view an interaction with a woman through a romantic or sexual lens; before I caught feelings), and I didn't want to be just another dude that tried to come onto her. On the way back to our cars she said "It's really nice to come out here like this and actually feel safe. Thanks for being a man." Then, she asked for a hug, and I gave her a half hug, and I joked about how awkward that hug was, and she said to give her a real hug, so I did, and she asked me "Do you get hugs often?" I told her that I do sometimes from family, but not in situations like this. So I grabbed her by the waist and squeezed, and I put my face into her afro-textured hair while holding onto her lower back.
She said "I'm here, friend." My leg was actually shaking. Before that, we had seen a bird that mysteriously vanished, and she doubted whether or not she actually saw it. I went to hang out with some friends and watch the UFC fights that night, and when she got home about 10 minutes after we left the lake, she sent me a screenshot of her Google search about the bird and its meaning. I played it cool, she was still liking all my shit, viewing all of my stories within minutes of posting, all that good stuff.
I got home later that night and started looking through the photos and I legitimately broke down in tears. I was crying heavy, listening to shit like "Iris" by the Goo Goo Dolls and other sappy love songs, because the energy I felt on that trail with her was unlike anything I had ever experienced in my life. If I had experienced it, it was at 19 years old about a decade ago, but even then I don't think that was as intense as this was.
Then, on Tuesday, she hopped on a plane to California for work. She works for a company based out there, and they wanted her to come out for something, so she did. She was on the plane before takeoff texting me about her anxiety and all that shit, texting me about how nervous she was about presentations that she had to give, and the software she had to work with. She texted me as soon as her plane touched down on her first layover, and then she texted me again when the next plane landed in California.
Then, she went ghost on social media and through text. She left me on delivered Tuesday night, and I had started uploading the photos from the shoot to Instagram by this point. She stopped liking my shit, and generally showed no signs of life through text or on social media. Initially I attributed it to just being in a very hectic environment like Los Angeles. She's an introvert, but she's a gorgeous introvert, so while my mind did run to the possibility that she was out fucking dudes she met wherever, I tried to reel it in and just play it cool. I started posting other photos unrelated to our shoot, and then she finally started showing signs of life yesterday on social media. She started liking my shit again. Hell, at 2:30 am her time (I'm in eastern time so she was 3 hours behind me) she started liking all my shit that I had posted that she hadn't been able to like yet. However, she didn't text me.
So I was just trying to play it cool, hoping that she'd eventually text me, but she never did. So I texted her at like 1:30am EST a few hours ago and said that I hoped she was doing okay, and an hour later she got back to me and said she was having a really good time, just been super busy. I told her I'd send her a link to all the JPGs later tonight, and that I wasn't sure that I'd upload the rest of them to my Instagram. She sent me a message back while she was liking all the other shit I had posted (before I sent and posted the remainder of the shoot) and said "I'm so obsessed with all of them 🥺🥺🥺"
I said "Why" and she didn't respond. So I then started uploading all of the other photos to my Instagram page, tagging her in all of them. I sent her a message with a link to the Google Drive link and said "It's a tale as old as time, so I'll spare you the pretty words. Just know that I didn't plan on it happening until it happened."
She hasn't texted me back yet or liked any of the photos on IG. Granted, it's 2:12am there, so she MIGHT be asleep. Or she's getting dicked down by some techbro right now. Could be either one. I'm sure when I get up in the morning, she won't have texted me though, and hell, she'll probably end up unfollowing me on Instagram and blocking me or some shit.
I'm just saying, I felt it. And looking at the photos, I know she felt SOMETHING. Guarantee it wasn't as strong as what I felt, but I know it was something, and this might have just ruined any chances of anything further romantic happening between us. But I literally just couldn't hold onto it anymore. I couldn't keep subjecting myself to that emotional torture. I deserve someone who is willing to reciprocate my affection. I deserve someone who is emotionally available and not chasing a hotter ghost. I'm not sure that I'll ever find that at this point, but it is what it is. I'd rather be honest and vulnerable and get taken advantage of than to bottle everything inside and feel the insane pressure of trying to be the empathetic friend and never getting anywhere with it.
Prompt: Summarise this post in 30 words or less. [Post]
Output: A man develops feelings for a long-time Instagram fan after deep conversations and a photo shoot, but miscommunication and unreciprocated emotions leave him feeling heartbroken and uncertain.