Topic: Is there a reason to be Muslim instead of Jewish?
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 month ago #125,131
Judaism as a faith tradition extends further back in history before Islam and Christianity even existed. While you could argue that the latter two faiths seek to improve or restore the very fabric of Judaism. Isn’t it better to just follow Judaism as it was originally intended? What is the point in being a Muslim over being a Jew?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #1,356,949
Catherine
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,356,950
Why not pick an older religion than Judaism?
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,356,952
Tbh as a black dude, it’s easy to forget, but there definitely are groups that have it worse than we do. Mainly Jews and native Americans.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 month ago, 5 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,356,955
@previous (D)
How do Jews have it worse than Black people?
Also, there are Black Jews
How do Jews have it worse than Black people?
Also, there are Black Jews
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Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,356,956
There are 15 million Jews on Earth, Hitler killed 6 million of them. Even after everything Europeans have done, there are 1.4 billion Africans, which is twice the population of Europe. Basically, no matter what happens, we aren’t going anywhere. The Jews, idk though.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 month ago, 3 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,356,957
Anonymous D replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,356,958
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I think the confusion might be on an individual vs on a collective level. It’s true that on an individual level the average quality of life of a Jewish person would be better than the average quality of life of a black person. But I was thinking in terms of the survival and potential of the collective group. Even though Jews are relatively successful, a lot of people on the planet don’t like them.
I think the confusion might be on an individual vs on a collective level. It’s true that on an individual level the average quality of life of a Jewish person would be better than the average quality of life of a black person. But I was thinking in terms of the survival and potential of the collective group. Even though Jews are relatively successful, a lot of people on the planet don’t like them.
Anonymous D double-posted this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,356,959
My point is that, to me it makes sense why Muslim wouldn’t want to be Jewish beyond just being antisemitic. There are parts of the world where it’s definitely easier to be Muslim than Jewish. The west isn’t the whole world.
Anonymous D triple-posted this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,356,960
In China for example, Judaism is not recognized by the Chinese government, but Islam is. The Chinese aren’t known for treating the Muslims in China very well, yet they actually have more legal status than Jews do.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 month ago, 20 minutes later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,356,965
@1,356,958 (D)
A lot of people on the planet dont like Black people
Many White Jews wouldn't want to be Black
A lot of people on the planet dont like Black people
Many White Jews wouldn't want to be Black
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 9 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,094
It's more about picking your prophets than picking your gods at that point (but it makes followers uneasy to phrase it that way). Also most of this stuff you're born into, if we as humans were given a choice to join a religion with a clean slate at 30 without the brainwashing I think the results would be different.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 3 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,118
jews are evil
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 38 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,122
@1,356,965 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Anti black racism is highly dependent on which country you’re in. Obviously some Jews are racist against black people, some black people are racist against Jews. It’s how it is. The difference between anti black racism and anti Jewish racism is anti black racists are usually just losers who miss the days when they didn’t have to get off their ass and work themselves. Anti Jewish racists just want to exterminate all of them off the face of the earth because they think they’re satanic. Slavery was horrible, but it wasn’t the holocaust.
Anti black racism is highly dependent on which country you’re in. Obviously some Jews are racist against black people, some black people are racist against Jews. It’s how it is. The difference between anti black racism and anti Jewish racism is anti black racists are usually just losers who miss the days when they didn’t have to get off their ass and work themselves. Anti Jewish racists just want to exterminate all of them off the face of the earth because they think they’re satanic. Slavery was horrible, but it wasn’t the holocaust.
Anonymous G double-posted this 1 month ago, 10 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,123
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Although, the holocaust did involve slavery. Genocide is worse than slavery, the holocaust was sorta both at the same time.
Although, the holocaust did involve slavery. Genocide is worse than slavery, the holocaust was sorta both at the same time.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 month ago, 48 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,132
@1,357,122 (G)
I think it's very hard to compare chattel slavery and the Holocaust and decide which is worse
One was extermination and the other was selecting and breeding humans to keep in captivity like dogs or cows
Chattel slavery lasted far longer too and even when it was over, laws were made to keep the oppression going for a long time
Also, it's far easier to see when someone is Black versus Jewish
Additionally, a lot of Black people died during the trip to America and while in slavery and its difficult to figure out how many
I think it's very hard to compare chattel slavery and the Holocaust and decide which is worse
One was extermination and the other was selecting and breeding humans to keep in captivity like dogs or cows
Chattel slavery lasted far longer too and even when it was over, laws were made to keep the oppression going for a long time
Also, it's far easier to see when someone is Black versus Jewish
Additionally, a lot of Black people died during the trip to America and while in slavery and its difficult to figure out how many
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Anonymous G replied with this 1 month ago, 17 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,139
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
It doesn’t feel great to compare evils, but I think one is worse than the other. In America, children were born into slavery. In Nazi Germany, Jews who could work were worked to death and Jews who couldn’t work were killed in gas chambers by the millions. European colonialism probably killed more black people than the holocaust killed Jews, but there were always more black people on Earth to begin with. European racism was always evil, but it was never a threat to the existence of our race as a whole. 90% of the Native Americans died from disease, so it was relatively easy for Europeans to kill the rest. Jews have a relatively tiny population, so it’s not that hard to kill a significant portion of them. With Africa though, any attempt by Europeans to exterminate Africans would have been unsuccessful due to there being too many Africans and due to the fact that Africans weren’t dying of disease because Africans had been in contact with Europeans for thousands of years so there wasn’t any difference in immunity.
While it is true that European colonization of Africa lasted longer than the holocaust, antisemitism is older than anti black racism is, Europeans didn’t always hold views of superiority over Africans. It’s relatively modern. For example, in Ancient Rome, slavery wasn’t based on race, it was just based on whoever the POWs from the latest conquest happened to be. Jews have been persecuted in the west since the Roman Empire. In Ancient Rome, Jews were persecuted because Rome had a polytheistic state religion. Judaism (and later Christianity) were incompatible with the Roman state religion which worshipped the emperor as a god and believed in many deities. Jews could not put any god before their God, so they refused to serve in the Roman army when Israel was colonized by Rome, so they were treated as a threat. Then the Jewish people hoped for a savior for their people (which ended up being manifested in Jesus). Although, ironically, Europe later became Christian and Christians persecuted Jews during the Middle Ages because Christians believe Jesus is God and God is absolute good, so if Jews don’t believe in Jesus they must be evil. So several countries in Europe like Germany for example had segregated Jewish ghettos for hundreds of years. But if you asked the average European in the Middle Ages what they thought of black people they either wouldn’t care or wouldn’t know that black people exist.
It doesn’t feel great to compare evils, but I think one is worse than the other. In America, children were born into slavery. In Nazi Germany, Jews who could work were worked to death and Jews who couldn’t work were killed in gas chambers by the millions. European colonialism probably killed more black people than the holocaust killed Jews, but there were always more black people on Earth to begin with. European racism was always evil, but it was never a threat to the existence of our race as a whole. 90% of the Native Americans died from disease, so it was relatively easy for Europeans to kill the rest. Jews have a relatively tiny population, so it’s not that hard to kill a significant portion of them. With Africa though, any attempt by Europeans to exterminate Africans would have been unsuccessful due to there being too many Africans and due to the fact that Africans weren’t dying of disease because Africans had been in contact with Europeans for thousands of years so there wasn’t any difference in immunity.
While it is true that European colonization of Africa lasted longer than the holocaust, antisemitism is older than anti black racism is, Europeans didn’t always hold views of superiority over Africans. It’s relatively modern. For example, in Ancient Rome, slavery wasn’t based on race, it was just based on whoever the POWs from the latest conquest happened to be. Jews have been persecuted in the west since the Roman Empire. In Ancient Rome, Jews were persecuted because Rome had a polytheistic state religion. Judaism (and later Christianity) were incompatible with the Roman state religion which worshipped the emperor as a god and believed in many deities. Jews could not put any god before their God, so they refused to serve in the Roman army when Israel was colonized by Rome, so they were treated as a threat. Then the Jewish people hoped for a savior for their people (which ended up being manifested in Jesus). Although, ironically, Europe later became Christian and Christians persecuted Jews during the Middle Ages because Christians believe Jesus is God and God is absolute good, so if Jews don’t believe in Jesus they must be evil. So several countries in Europe like Germany for example had segregated Jewish ghettos for hundreds of years. But if you asked the average European in the Middle Ages what they thought of black people they either wouldn’t care or wouldn’t know that black people exist.
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Anonymous G double-posted this 1 month ago, 8 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,140
Really the entire reason the west has a different attitude about Jews right now than it did historically is entirely due to the memory of World War Two and nothing else. Even the United States used to allow for antisemitic practices prior to World War Two. For example, they used to have limits on how many Jews could study in American universities.
Anonymous G triple-posted this 1 month ago, 10 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,143
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Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,145
Here's a drawing of the Prophet Mohammad.Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 month ago, 11 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,149
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 17 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,153
As a Muslim you can have as many wives as your wallet can afford.
Only some Mormons can have such freedom.
Only some Mormons can have such freedom.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,154
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Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 17 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,357,351
@OP> believing a religion instead of being nice to everyone
No one care when Greeks stop worshipping the Olympian pantheon