Topic: Boy has sex change aged 8, adoptive lesbian parents knew he wanted to be a girl
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #12,468
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html
> The lesbian parents of an 11-year-old boy who is undergoing the process of becoming a girl last night defended the decision, claiming it was better for a child to have a sex change when young.
> Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.
> But Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel warn children with gender identity disorder forced to postpone transitioning could face a higher risk of suicide.
> The mothers say that one of the first things Thomas told them when he learned sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'.
> At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder. By age eight, he began transitioning.
> This summer, he started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty.
> The hormone-suppressant, implanted in his upper left arm, will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.
> The couple faced intense criticism from friends and family as a result, Ms Moreno told MailOnline.
> 'Everybody was angry with us. "How could you be doing this? You might be ruining his whole life!"
> Citing a statistic from the Youth Suicide Prevention Program, Ms Moreno noted over 50 per cent of transgender youth will have had at least one suicide attempt by their 20th birthday.
> And ignoring their son's incessant pleas, she said, simply was not worth the risk.
> 'What is so frightening to me is that you would be willing to say "no" just because you don't like it - even though your child could lose their life?'
> Her son's adolescent transition, she hopes, will help him have a less conflicted adulthood.
> 'The whole idea now is let's stop creating a third (gender) that is neither one thing or the other, so we transitioned her,' said Ms Moreno.
> 'The protocol now is to transition these children as soon as you can make a diagnosis, because otherwise they end up being not one thing or the other... because they experienced puberty.'
> Ms Moreno recalled the first step of Thomas' transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes.
> He favoured headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear. And the change in his personality, Ms Moreno says, was instant.
> 'He was in his own world just completely detached and that was a problem we always had was getting Thomas to participate in life,' she said. 'What we saw emerge when Tammy was allowed to be Tammy is, "Whoa!"... It was an immediate transformation. She was so giggly and she was now interacting she was now making it a point to defend herself.'
> The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents.
> The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi and have two older sons and grandchildren. But they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it.
> 'It was odd to us,' she said. 'Even though she has lesbians as parents, this is all new to us in every possible way. We know what it's like to feel different - we've got that one. But to feel like you're not in the right body was just something we could not put our heads around.'
> Fortunately, the family has a vast support system. The couple credits Tammy's teachers and officials at Children's Learning Center in Alameda, California, and their religious community, for being open-minded about their son's decision.
> 'We live in the Bay area where lots of alternative lifestyles are in place... and we belong to a religious community that was incredibly supportive. They make it a point when we're in synagogue to come over and tell Tammy, "Oh, you look so pretty today,' Ms Moreno said, adding, 'There's never going to be enough gratitude for them.'
> His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.
> If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Let me ask you a serious question: if an 8-year-old lacks the mental capacity to make a rational decision about sexual intercourse, then what the hell makes you think an 8-year-old has the mental capacity to make a life-altering decision like CHANGING ONE'S GENDER? How the FUCK is this not child sexual abuse? We send high school teachers to jail for DECADES for having consensual sex with adult students, but this is OK?
> The lesbian parents of an 11-year-old boy who is undergoing the process of becoming a girl last night defended the decision, claiming it was better for a child to have a sex change when young.
> Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.
> But Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel warn children with gender identity disorder forced to postpone transitioning could face a higher risk of suicide.
> The mothers say that one of the first things Thomas told them when he learned sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'.
> At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder. By age eight, he began transitioning.
> This summer, he started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty.
> The hormone-suppressant, implanted in his upper left arm, will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.
> The couple faced intense criticism from friends and family as a result, Ms Moreno told MailOnline.
> 'Everybody was angry with us. "How could you be doing this? You might be ruining his whole life!"
> Citing a statistic from the Youth Suicide Prevention Program, Ms Moreno noted over 50 per cent of transgender youth will have had at least one suicide attempt by their 20th birthday.
> And ignoring their son's incessant pleas, she said, simply was not worth the risk.
> 'What is so frightening to me is that you would be willing to say "no" just because you don't like it - even though your child could lose their life?'
> Her son's adolescent transition, she hopes, will help him have a less conflicted adulthood.
> 'The whole idea now is let's stop creating a third (gender) that is neither one thing or the other, so we transitioned her,' said Ms Moreno.
> 'The protocol now is to transition these children as soon as you can make a diagnosis, because otherwise they end up being not one thing or the other... because they experienced puberty.'
> Ms Moreno recalled the first step of Thomas' transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes.
> He favoured headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear. And the change in his personality, Ms Moreno says, was instant.
> 'He was in his own world just completely detached and that was a problem we always had was getting Thomas to participate in life,' she said. 'What we saw emerge when Tammy was allowed to be Tammy is, "Whoa!"... It was an immediate transformation. She was so giggly and she was now interacting she was now making it a point to defend herself.'
> The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents.
> The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi and have two older sons and grandchildren. But they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it.
> 'It was odd to us,' she said. 'Even though she has lesbians as parents, this is all new to us in every possible way. We know what it's like to feel different - we've got that one. But to feel like you're not in the right body was just something we could not put our heads around.'
> Fortunately, the family has a vast support system. The couple credits Tammy's teachers and officials at Children's Learning Center in Alameda, California, and their religious community, for being open-minded about their son's decision.
> 'We live in the Bay area where lots of alternative lifestyles are in place... and we belong to a religious community that was incredibly supportive. They make it a point when we're in synagogue to come over and tell Tammy, "Oh, you look so pretty today,' Ms Moreno said, adding, 'There's never going to be enough gratitude for them.'
> His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.
> If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Let me ask you a serious question: if an 8-year-old lacks the mental capacity to make a rational decision about sexual intercourse, then what the hell makes you think an 8-year-old has the mental capacity to make a life-altering decision like CHANGING ONE'S GENDER? How the FUCK is this not child sexual abuse? We send high school teachers to jail for DECADES for having consensual sex with adult students, but this is OK?
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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #223,845
> Daily Mail
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #223,846
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 30 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #223,847
@223,845 (B)
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/27/health/transgender-kids/
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/10374606/boy-takes-drugs-to-stop-puberty/
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/27/health/transgender-kids/
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/10374606/boy-takes-drugs-to-stop-puberty/
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #223,848
@previous (A)LOL I ended up searching the names and found other sources. I just finished the CNN story, which was pretty interesting.
I have to say though, the Daily Mail link has better pictures.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #223,849
how is this news? is it because she's a jew?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #223,850
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #223,851
It would be child abuse if they did nothing. Of course children can make conscious, informed decisions providing no blackmail or coercion is involved, that goes for sexual identity and consenting to sex.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #223,867
Typical Daily Mail.
sluggy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #223,868
@223,851 (E)
Children aren't stupid, they are ignorant and lacking experience. Many people say they knew at a very young age they were transgendered.
The problem is, as a child you can be really insistent about things while not understanding the consequences. I guess the parents are making the right decision. Its tough, but I don't think this is something a person can be wrong about.
Children aren't stupid, they are ignorant and lacking experience. Many people say they knew at a very young age they were transgendered.
The problem is, as a child you can be really insistent about things while not understanding the consequences. I guess the parents are making the right decision. Its tough, but I don't think this is something a person can be wrong about.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #223,869
@223,851 (E)
The trouble is children do go through phases of wanting to change their sex, and nobody really knows if it's a phase or not until they start to regret the change when they're older. I watched documentary where a child had a sex change and almost immediately regretted it, the parents were saying nobody told them it might just be a passing phase. I do think it's a little early for a child to make such a life-altering decision.
The trouble is children do go through phases of wanting to change their sex, and nobody really knows if it's a phase or not until they start to regret the change when they're older. I watched documentary where a child had a sex change and almost immediately regretted it, the parents were saying nobody told them it might just be a passing phase. I do think it's a little early for a child to make such a life-altering decision.
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 18 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #223,933
OP, next time when you make topics like this use a headline like
> Man has sex change aged 8, adoptive lesbian parents knew he wanted to be a girl
trust me, you'll get more topic visits and a more lively discussion
> Man has sex change aged 8, adoptive lesbian parents knew he wanted to be a girl
trust me, you'll get more topic visits and a more lively discussion
ltamake !!onnLC5KY8 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #223,959
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 53 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #223,971
Allow me to restate my question: if an 8-year-old lacks the mental capacity to make a rational decision about sexual intercourse, then how the hell does an 8-year-old has the mental capacity to make a life-altering decision like CHANGING ONE'S GENDER? How the FUCK is this not child sexual abuse? We send high school teachers to jail for DECADES for having consensual sex with adult students, but this is OK?
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #223,975
Bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 46 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #223,976
@223,971 (A)
So you're actually just mad you can't have consentual sex with a minor? Is that what all this grand standing is about?
"if he can choose his gender then he can choose to let me blow him."
Last question, sup bro.
So you're actually just mad you can't have consentual sex with a minor? Is that what all this grand standing is about?
"if he can choose his gender then he can choose to let me blow him."
Last question, sup bro.
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swamplights !!V3J448+/B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 37 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #223,991
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 3 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #224,144
Anonymous I double-posted this 15 years ago, 39 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #224,145
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 17 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,621
@223,976 (Bookshelf !hbZVTk6JYc)
REMINDER: sex is simply sticking a penis within a hole for pleasure, which is a far-cry from taking organ-altering pills to halt one's puberty. Sexual intercourse is natural - carcinogenic gender-therapy supplements are NOT. That's right. Thanks to this child's hormonal supplements, he is at a higher risk for cancer. These scumbag bulldykes adopted an innocent child and fed him carcinogenic life-altering pills to make him look more "feminine".
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/28/us-cancer-breast-hrt-idUSTRE70R8DH20110128
http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/1386/62
REMINDER: sex is simply sticking a penis within a hole for pleasure, which is a far-cry from taking organ-altering pills to halt one's puberty. Sexual intercourse is natural - carcinogenic gender-therapy supplements are NOT. That's right. Thanks to this child's hormonal supplements, he is at a higher risk for cancer. These scumbag bulldykes adopted an innocent child and fed him carcinogenic life-altering pills to make him look more "feminine".
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/28/us-cancer-breast-hrt-idUSTRE70R8DH20110128
http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/1386/62
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,622
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!hEyBrieeXM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,624
@224,622 (I)
> These scumbag bulldykes adopted an innocent child and fed him carcinogenic life-altering pills to make him look more "feminine".
not to detract from your totally solid points on why you should be allowed to fuck children, but they aren't feeding her pills to make her look feminine, they're feeding her pills to make her not look like a dude when she turns 12.
the difference there may escape you, so i guess i'll elaborate...
she isn't being given female hormones at age 8... that's insane, she's being prescribed anti-androgen drugs so that her body isn't wrecked by going through a male puberty. It says right in the article you linked that this is entirely reversible if she decides that she's not a girl... just stop taking anti-androgens, and her body will start producing testosterone and she'll have a normal male puberty.
> These scumbag bulldykes adopted an innocent child and fed him carcinogenic life-altering pills to make him look more "feminine".
not to detract from your totally solid points on why you should be allowed to fuck children, but they aren't feeding her pills to make her look feminine, they're feeding her pills to make her not look like a dude when she turns 12.
the difference there may escape you, so i guess i'll elaborate...
she isn't being given female hormones at age 8... that's insane, she's being prescribed anti-androgen drugs so that her body isn't wrecked by going through a male puberty. It says right in the article you linked that this is entirely reversible if she decides that she's not a girl... just stop taking anti-androgens, and her body will start producing testosterone and she'll have a normal male puberty.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,625
@224,622 (I)
If you don't find the idea of a young child being adopted by radical bulldykes and being force-fed cancerous feminization-pills to be completely objectionable, then you are scum, plain and simple.
@previous (!hEyBrieeXM)
> her
Stop it. If it has a penis and testicles and lacks a vagina, then it's a male.
> they aren't feeding HIM pills to make her look feminine, they're feeding HIM pills to make HIM not look like a dude when HE turns 12.
Pills that prevent someone from going through the necessary changes via the natural process of puberty are, indeed, pills that make him look more feminine.
> HE isn't being given female hormones at age 8... that's insane
Okay...
> HE's being prescribed anti-androgen drugs so that HIS body isn't wrecked by going through a male puberty.
HOW IS THAT ANY BETTER?!
> It says right in the article you linked that this is entirely reversible
> if she decides that she's not a girl...
That's not up to him OR his fucktarded parents to decide. He is a man until the day that science can replace the fully-functioning reproductive penis with a fully-functioning reproductive vagina.
> just stop taking anti-androgens, and his body will return to producing testosterone
Hence why HE shouldn't be taking them
> she'll have a normal male puberty.
This sentence makes no sense whatsoever. Girls can't have male puberty, therefore HE isn't a girl.
If you don't find the idea of a young child being adopted by radical bulldykes and being force-fed cancerous feminization-pills to be completely objectionable, then you are scum, plain and simple.
@previous (!hEyBrieeXM)
> her
Stop it. If it has a penis and testicles and lacks a vagina, then it's a male.
> they aren't feeding HIM pills to make her look feminine, they're feeding HIM pills to make HIM not look like a dude when HE turns 12.
Pills that prevent someone from going through the necessary changes via the natural process of puberty are, indeed, pills that make him look more feminine.
> HE isn't being given female hormones at age 8... that's insane
Okay...
> HE's being prescribed anti-androgen drugs so that HIS body isn't wrecked by going through a male puberty.
HOW IS THAT ANY BETTER?!
> It says right in the article you linked that this is entirely reversible
> if she decides that she's not a girl...
That's not up to him OR his fucktarded parents to decide. He is a man until the day that science can replace the fully-functioning reproductive penis with a fully-functioning reproductive vagina.
> just stop taking anti-androgens, and his body will return to producing testosterone
Hence why HE shouldn't be taking them
> she'll have a normal male puberty.
This sentence makes no sense whatsoever. Girls can't have male puberty, therefore HE isn't a girl.
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Anonymous N replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,626
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,627
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,628
@224,625 (A)
If you have to use this to lobby for your platform of child sex, then you are scum, plain and simple.
If you have to use this to lobby for your platform of child sex, then you are scum, plain and simple.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,629
@224,625 (A)
she makes the decision every day to look feminine, on her own, when she gets dressed. she isn't being made to do anything, and the pills aren't feminization pills, they're anti-androgens. if she wants to have a normal male puberty, she just has to stop taking the pills.
she makes the decision every day to look feminine, on her own, when she gets dressed. she isn't being made to do anything, and the pills aren't feminization pills, they're anti-androgens. if she wants to have a normal male puberty, she just has to stop taking the pills.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,630
@224,628 (I)
I was using child sex as a comparison to this atrocity, as having sex with children is ethically-higher than adopting a child and altering his body for your own political gains.
I was using child sex as a comparison to this atrocity, as having sex with children is ethically-higher than adopting a child and altering his body for your own political gains.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,631
@previous (A)
Lol, child rape has zero-ethical value. Things are either ethical, or unethical. There is no such thing as "kind of ethical," and there is no such thing as "more ethical."
There is only ethical and unethical, you fucking dolt.
Lol, child rape has zero-ethical value. Things are either ethical, or unethical. There is no such thing as "kind of ethical," and there is no such thing as "more ethical."
There is only ethical and unethical, you fucking dolt.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,634
@224,629 (!hEyBrieeXM)
> she makes the decision every day to look feminine, on her own, when she gets dressed.
This would be completely fine... except for the fact that we're not talking about a girl here. This is a young boy being fed hormones to stop his natural puberty.
@previous (L)
Please tell me how increasing this MALE CHILD's risk of various cancers just to fulfill his "fantasy" (natural response to the brainwashing by his wretched "parents") of being a girl is even REMOTELY ethical because you are CLEARLY an expert on ethics and morality in regards to children and sex/gender.
> she makes the decision every day to look feminine, on her own, when she gets dressed.
This would be completely fine... except for the fact that we're not talking about a girl here. This is a young boy being fed hormones to stop his natural puberty.
@previous (L)
Please tell me how increasing this MALE CHILD's risk of various cancers just to fulfill his "fantasy" (natural response to the brainwashing by his wretched "parents") of being a girl is even REMOTELY ethical because you are CLEARLY an expert on ethics and morality in regards to children and sex/gender.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,636
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,637
@224,634 (A)
> This is a young boy being fed hormones to stop his natural puberty.
No. Your're wrong.
She is voluntarily taking a prescribed medication that binds to hormone receptors in order to prevent the male hormones from having a negative effect on her body.
There is no risk of cancer from anti-androgens. The actual hormone treatment is something that happens later, probably at a time that she has full say of the medical treatments she would like to have.
> This is a young boy being fed hormones to stop his natural puberty.
No. Your're wrong.
She is voluntarily taking a prescribed medication that binds to hormone receptors in order to prevent the male hormones from having a negative effect on her body.
There is no risk of cancer from anti-androgens. The actual hormone treatment is something that happens later, probably at a time that she has full say of the medical treatments she would like to have.
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Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,638
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,639
@previous (L)
i'm just being informative, since OP seems completely ignorant of anything related to gender dysphoria, which is a real thing, btw.
i'm just being informative, since OP seems completely ignorant of anything related to gender dysphoria, which is a real thing, btw.
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Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 55 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,641
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 48 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,644
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,645
@224,637 (!hEyBrieeXM)
> she
> her
He is a male until doctors can retroactively replace the Y chromosome with an X chromosome. To call a hormone-pumped cross-dressing 8-year-old boy a girl is both morally and objectively wrong.
> she
> her
He is a male until doctors can retroactively replace the Y chromosome with an X chromosome. To call a hormone-pumped cross-dressing 8-year-old boy a girl is both morally and objectively wrong.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,646
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,647
@224,645 (A)
Can't be objectively wrong, thw parents are cool with it. Also, lol morals. Who's, yours?
Laughable.
Can't be objectively wrong, thw parents are cool with it. Also, lol morals. Who's, yours?
Laughable.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,649
@224,646 (!hEyBrieeXM)
Of course women have penises and lack vaginas as that makes total fucking sense. You're delusional and politically-sick.
@previous (L)
> Can't be objectively wrong, thw parents are cool with it.
The parents are irresponsible cretins who think it's cool to adopt innocent children and feed them hormone-inhibitors to fuel their destructive fantasies.
> Also, lol morals. Who's, yours? Laughable.
Yeah, because the belief that children should wait until they are able to comprehend making a decision which will impact them for the rest of their life is so morally-laughable.
Of course women have penises and lack vaginas as that makes total fucking sense. You're delusional and politically-sick.
@previous (L)
> Can't be objectively wrong, thw parents are cool with it.
The parents are irresponsible cretins who think it's cool to adopt innocent children and feed them hormone-inhibitors to fuel their destructive fantasies.
> Also, lol morals. Who's, yours? Laughable.
Yeah, because the belief that children should wait until they are able to comprehend making a decision which will impact them for the rest of their life is so morally-laughable.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,654
@previous (A)
Since you brought up chromosomes, how do you feel about intersexed individuals, who aren't clearly male or female?
They can be XX, XY, or other genotypes.
Should they be allowed to express their chosen gender?
Why or why not?
Since you brought up chromosomes, how do you feel about intersexed individuals, who aren't clearly male or female?
They can be XX, XY, or other genotypes.
Should they be allowed to express their chosen gender?
Why or why not?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,657
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,659
Anonymous A is a faggot pedo who is just mad that there is one less boy for him to molest.
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,661
@224,657 (A)
they are androgynous... they could pass as either gender.
so then, you are fine with a subset of people being allowed to make a decision on which gender they express, but the rest of humanity, because of the genetic hand they were dealt is disallowed, in your mind, from making this decision?
they are androgynous... they could pass as either gender.
so then, you are fine with a subset of people being allowed to make a decision on which gender they express, but the rest of humanity, because of the genetic hand they were dealt is disallowed, in your mind, from making this decision?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,662
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,663
@224,661 (!hEyBrieeXM)
They should be disallowed from taking hormones and the like until they are of the age (at least puberty) where they are mentally-capable of making the drastic decision to change their gender.
They should be disallowed from taking hormones and the like until they are of the age (at least puberty) where they are mentally-capable of making the drastic decision to change their gender.
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!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,664
@previous (A)
> They should be disallowed from taking hormones and the like until they are of the age (at least puberty) where they are mentally-capable of making the drastic decision to change their gender.
The girl in the article you posted isn't taking hormones at all, the decision to take hormones will be made when she is old enough to be going to through puberty, likely it will be after she is old enough to be seeing a doctor on her own and make her own medical decisions. Why then, are you so mad, OP?
All that is happening is that her testosterone receptors will be otherwise engaged accepting anti-androgen drugs when the testosterone comes knocking.
Again, this is entirely reversible and if she decides not to continue the course, that is within her rights.
By the way, none of this was decided randomly one day for the parents' amusement.
A real medical condition is being treated after a diagnosis was made by a doctor.
> They should be disallowed from taking hormones and the like until they are of the age (at least puberty) where they are mentally-capable of making the drastic decision to change their gender.
The girl in the article you posted isn't taking hormones at all, the decision to take hormones will be made when she is old enough to be going to through puberty, likely it will be after she is old enough to be seeing a doctor on her own and make her own medical decisions. Why then, are you so mad, OP?
All that is happening is that her testosterone receptors will be otherwise engaged accepting anti-androgen drugs when the testosterone comes knocking.
Again, this is entirely reversible and if she decides not to continue the course, that is within her rights.
By the way, none of this was decided randomly one day for the parents' amusement.
A real medical condition is being treated after a diagnosis was made by a doctor.
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Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,666
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,676
If she is indeed, a girl, and since his parents are Jewish, does her circumcision count as female genital mutilation?
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,679
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,681
OP is trying sooo hard
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,682
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,689
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,702
i love this thread :3
dreamworks !AUIkTW/L46 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,763
op is wrong
brie is right
dreamworks out
brie is right
dreamworks out
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,937
11 year olds - old enough to change their sex; too young to have sex.
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,944
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,946
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,949
@224,937 (A)
> 11 year olds - old enough to change their sex; too young to have sex.
It took 60 replies but you finally got it. :D
> 11 year olds - old enough to change their sex; too young to have sex.
It took 60 replies but you finally got it. :D
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 12 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,951
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,955
Look it this way: Two lesbian women adopt a boy and at age 8, the boy is encouraged to become a girl, because he feels different. Maybe, or maybe not these two women coerced the boy or unduly influenced the child by their life style; however, could not they persuaded the boy to wait until adulthood so he can make a more well thought out decision? A child can not sign a contract or give consent or give permission on any important matter, for the obvious reasons. The women can deny their life styles had no bearing on this subject; but, when there is smoke, fire follows. In any case this will set back the gay and lesbian movement.
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,957
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,958
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,960
!hEyBrieeXM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,970
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,974
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,976
!VoCaLoNunI joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 0 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,977
> So funny and original XD!
> Daily Mail
> Homophobic
> wants to raep kiddies
Anonymity's useless when you make it clear who you are, Psychopath.
> Daily Mail
> Homophobic
> wants to raep kiddies
Anonymity's useless when you make it clear who you are, Psychopath.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,979
Anonymous I replied with this 15 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #224,982
@224,976 (A)
So if I understand this correctly:
depression == a real disease
gender disphoria == liberal bullshit
So if I understand this correctly:
depression == a real disease
gender disphoria == liberal bullshit