Anonymous A started this discussion 11 months ago#123,855
They make absolutely no sense to me when Ukraine is not invited, isn't the implication that this is a war between Russia and the US? Whatever the reasons then was for getting involved seems irrelevant and america backs down, all that investment lost. Thinking Russians and Ukrainians are just going to forget the entire ordeal. There's no way Putin is going to be a good friend for the US, and there's no way Europe and Ukraine especially will forget
America plunders the west of Ukraine, Russia keeps the east, Action Man goes and fucks himself. The art of the deal, baby.
By the way Trump's National Security Adviser has already chastised Zelenskiy for not signing the deal and suggested he would be "very wise" to reconsider. Kind of like when Darth Vadar told Lando to pray he doesn't alter the deal further.
My prediction? The war ends by October of this year.
A proxy war that america backs down on, much to the dissatisfaction of the others supporting Ukraine, so almost a defeat. America will have gained nothing and lost friends, the outcome of the war is another thing.
I'm thinking Trump must have some very good price in mind for his withdrawal from the fight in Ukraine, absurdly high price, because I think Putin knows this might not end the war that fast anyways. So is Putin just buying time to entertain some God knows what deal trump has
> America will have gained nothing and lost friends
Countries don't have friends, they have interests. Ukraine is not America's interest now because they failed in their task of defeating Russia. They will therefore be cut loose, like the Kurds and the Afghanis before them. Ukraine's mistake was in thinking they were special because they're white and would never be hung out to dry.
With that said Rubio and Kellogg are - correctly - going to fight for the best deal for Ukraine.
pew joined in and replied with this 11 months ago, 8 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,348,327
we need ukraine to get back thru minerals the billions we spent there.
i hope it wont just go to crooked corporations but mericans would have to demand that.
You might be forgetting that it's in your best interest to have friends. In the future you might be interested in something from them and it's way easier if they don't hate you. You could call it diplomacy.
What sort of deal is it without the involment of all parties? Certainly not a deal that gets accepted by them and so there can only be the promise of a end to (USA) aid to Ukraine, that's the only thing trump can offer, but what can Putin offer?
> You might be forgetting that it's in your best interest to have friends.
If you're weak, yes. Geopolitically irrelevant countries like Estonia and Lithuania for example need a "friend" in America. Super powers don't. Trust me, they don't. They have only interests. There's a reason the UK's bestest buddy in the whole world, the US, has been stalling on a trade deal with them for years and years.
> What sort of deal is it without the involment of all parties?
Ukraine will be involved, just not yet, because there's no point. They're not major players in this conflict, they're just the battering ram that got duped into being used by the CIA and US State Department.
If you're smart, you would have friends regardless. Even when Putin is gone and his legacy being only death and destruction, Lithuania will still have friends.
> If you're smart, you would have friends regardless. Even when Putin is gone and his legacy being only death and destruction, Lithuania will still have friends.
You think about geopolitics as if it were high school drama. It isn't. Lithuania does not have friends, it has allies, and allies change. If you'd told Americans in 1944 that the Germans and the Japanese would soon be among their very closest allies they'd have thought you mad.
If that's true, whatever that thing is, america is reaping it too. It's a lot of money spent just to come out of it as a chicken for the pleasure of a dictator
No "failed" state would last this long against Russia, assuming Russia isn't just a massive failed state itself.
You don't help at all, you mentioned minerals as something trump gets out of running away from the fight? And Putin is supposed to agree to just stop attacking, even though Europe and Ukraine are going to want their own deal before they stop fighting for all the territory lost?
Anonymous F replied with this 11 months ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,348,351
@1,348,349 (A) > No "failed" state would last this long against Russia, assuming Russia isn't just a massive failed state itself.
Ukraine literally wouldve folded day one if not for actual countries corrupt politicians parasitising it.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 11 months ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,348,353
@1,348,349 (A)
I mean this with the kindest of intentions but you should stick to posting #slavaukraini on your Facebook page and 'liking' Keir Starmer's latest vow to "stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes". It's your level.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 months ago, 4 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,348,379
@1,348,335 (A)
Taking back Crimea, an area that is fully incorporated into Russia, majority ethnic Russian, and which has voted 3 different times to stay apart of Russia from a behemoth nuclear state with a veto on the security council is not going to happen.