Anonymous A started this discussion 1 year ago#123,696
Catholics firmly believe in the concept of transubstantiation: this is the phenomenon whereby upon saying the words "this is my body" a piece of bread immediately becomes the actual body of Christ, and a cup of wine turns into the actual blood of Christ simply when it is declared so, with the words, "this is my blood".
My first question is, do you think this is complete and utter unbelievable nonsense, and if so, why?
Next, transgender people firmly believe that despite their genetics, if a man simply says "I am a woman", he immediately ceases being a man and becomes an actual woman. And similarly, a woman is actually a man just by declaring it so.
My second question is, do you think this complete and utter nonsense, and if not, why not?
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,347,033
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > this is the phenomenon whereby upon saying the words "this is my body" a piece of bread immediately becomes the actual body of Christ, and a cup of wine turns into the actual blood of Christ
That is high powered oral satisfaction.
> A large percentage of trans people are truscum or transmeds
Call it what you like, it involves the belief that you can make a thing true and real simply by declaring that it is.
> Im ignoring the first part
I am genuinely interested in your reasoning as to why the one thing is gruesome/irrational/unbelievable but the other is not. Both involve strikingly similar patterns of belief when you boil them down.
I agree that the cannibalism in Catholicism is gruesome. The Greek word used for "eat" in this context is actually best translated as "gnaw" as in on a piece of meat.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 12 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,347,046
Biology and gender are on a spectrum, and gender is a social construct. Your comparison is not valid. One is based on science, and the other, on faith.
boof joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,347,057
religions develop habits of mind, what Dawkins referred to as memes, the term deliberately evocative of the word gene. couple that with habits of action, that is, rituals. these habits persist or don't, and by analogy to biological evolution, may change or not, according to adaptive value. people tend to adapt or not, persist or not, and we get what we get, doing what we can to deal with what we got
Anon replied with this 1 year ago, 39 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,347,067
@1,347,064 (boof)
I have tried it a couple of times. The bread in Catholic churches is a super thin cracker and the wine is 98% water.
In Greek Churches they serve real chunks of very tasty Greek bread. Even offer chunks on the way out. Wine is not watered down.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,347,081
@1,347,037 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > You haven't looked up those terms and so the conversation cannot continue
Already knew what transmeds meant. Truscum I believe is considered derogatory for somebody who believes in gender dysphoria... and is irrelevant to my question.
I'm the one asking the question by the way, and I've chosen the words quite deliberately. The key part of each main word is "trans" which is latin for "across" / "over"... it implies the belief that something can change over into another thing. I know it's quite difficult for you, but please do try to understand the question I'm asking and give an answer to that question, instead of inventing your own question and answering that instead.
> It's gruesome because of the cannibalism, so no, they aren't the same
My question did not focus on the cannibalism part, it focused on the part (once again) where something can change over, physically, into something else. In that regard, transubstantiation is related to transgenderism.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,347,087
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > Trans people don't believe you just say you're a gender and you are
Same for the Furries who wake up one day and think they are a Dog or Fox and they instantly become such.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 9 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,347,088
@1,347,086 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > Idiot
Ad hominem - ignored.
> Trans people don't believe you just say you're a gender and you are
Oh but they do. They also get very angry and upset, especially men who think they are women, when you tell them they're being irrational or that they are physically still male.
> Many are transmeds
Yes, i.e. they believe they can physically change their gender through medication and/or surgical procedures... the same sort of mental gymnastics is required to believe this.
> Learn to communicate properly
Learn to read and comprehend, instead of skimming over and leaping to wrong conclusions. You come across as quite badly educated and you are not half as smart as you think you are. You are also extremely rude and arrogant.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,347,093
@1,347,089 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Sorry you feel that way. Going to have to conclude that you won't answer my question either because you can't comprehend it or because you don't have any rational answers.
> Catholics firmly believe in the concept of transubstantiation: this is the phenomenon whereby upon saying the words "this is my body" a piece of bread immediately becomes the actual body of Christ, and a cup of wine turns into the actual blood of Christ simply when it is declared so, with the words, "this is my blood".
To be clear the bread and wine only become the body and blood of Christ when the Eucharistic offering is performed by we priests, or a bishop. It wouldn't work if a layperson were to attempt it. You'd still just be eating plain old bread and drinking plain old wine.