Topic: since people believe AI to be a kind of being, should it then have property rights

boof started this discussion 1 year ago #123,654

And other such rights. Or, should we set things up so that AI determines who or what gets which rights.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 33 minutes later[^] [v] #1,346,661

I think a future world in which robots do all the work and a cold, uncaring AI redistributes all the money, would be a good one.

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 9 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,662

Why would "a being" need property rights?

Squirrels are a being, but I can ignore their nest and cut down my tree legally.

AI didn't evolve under natural selection, so it didn't develop the same concerns about preserving itself and controlling property the way humans did.

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boof (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 26 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,666

@previous (C)
Many jurisdictions confer rules concerning certain kinds of beings. And, the claim, not mine, that AI a being that is at or better than ourselves would have some logical conclusions in our discourse, if we cared to have it.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,677

@previous (boof)
"At or better" meaning analytic abilities.

What an AI wants is very different than what a human wants. An AI won't care about self-preservation unless instructed to.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 5 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,721

@previous (C)
Wrong. An AI doesn't need to be explicitly instructed to do something. Maybe your simple prompt causes it to reason itself into an outlandish situation. For example, you ask for cheaper eggs and it reasons that it should create a decentralized autonomous organization to stabilize egg production; it may even end up under a fiduciary duty that compels it toward self-preservation.

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boof (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 51 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,729

@1,346,677 (C)
we don't revoke rights from people who don't care about their rights though, so that's kind of beside the question

Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 37 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,733

@previous (boof)
Right to suicide exists in many countries.

boof (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,737

@previous (C)
hey that's great

Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 7 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,740

@previous (boof)
Someone could give away their property, legally. They could choose to waive their own right to life, legally.

Why would a very smart tool care about it's rights?

boof (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 19 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,742

@previous (C)
well let's ask

boof (OP) double-posted this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,743

but again, it is not incumbent upon ability to articulate or even conceive of one's rights that determines whether or not the larger society grants them.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,755

Dude, they're all getting Dells.

Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 30 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,761

@1,346,743 (boof)
> it is not incumbent upon ability to articulate or even conceive of one's rights

AI has more than enough ability to articulate itself now.

That's also a strawman, I never said it lacked the ability to conceive or ask for rights. The actual argument was that it doesn't want rights (unless designed to).

Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,778

@previous (C)
So you're saying that AI was intelligently designed and deserves rights

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 3 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,346,832

Still a choose your own adventure book with billions of parameters. We still haven't figured out how to deal with actual life we don't want like the millions of dogs and cats we've bred or homeless people... probably start there before stroking the AI-bros some more.

Minichan