Topic: Block Universe Theory and "The End of History"
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 year ago #122,937
Discuss.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #1,340,821
Moms spaghetti never forgetti.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,340,822
Black Universe Theory and "The End of Society"Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 23 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,340,823
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,340,828
@previous (B)It's blackbody-radiation!
Bonus joke:
Q: Did you hear Ta-nahasi Coates was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Physics?
A: No, why?
Punchline: For his pioneering research into Black Bodies!!!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 9 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,340,835
The story so far:
Anon D: There is no end of history. Every empire falls, and no empire is ever the last empire.
Anon F (D samefagging): Seems like a conclusion on history, as if that's how history ends.
Anon D: What does?
Anon D: It’s cyclical. The end result of stability is instability and the end result of instability is stability. The Roman Empire was a stable authoritarian state commanded by the Roman emperor (even though there was a Senate, after Julius Caesar marched his army on Rome, it was definitely a dictatorship). During Pax Romana there was a 200 year period of Roman peace. Then there was the third century crisis when the Roman Empire had to debase its currency in order to pay its own soldiers, they had dozens of emperors killing each other for the throne in a short timespan, there was chaos. Europe converted to Christianity under Constantine, the Roman Empire fell apart, it descended into the dark ages. But Christianity was less authoritarian than worshipping a living human person who also runs your government as a God. Then things became more stable again eventually. There started to become an established aristocracy in Europe. Then, there was the Protestant reformation that upset the dominance of the Catholic Church and napoleonic wars that upset the rule of monarchs in Europe, caused loads of instability. Then things became stable again, you had some republics in Europe that were no longer absolute monarchies with some democracy, nice and stable, World War One. Then more democracies, World War Two, and now, we think this stable peace in Europe with capitalist democracies with no religion will last forever, and America will be good forever, but it’s like… really I’m just rambling. The point is you have to be crazy to think countries won’t fall apart and reform when it’s been happening constantly in cycles for thousands of years and entire societies have completely changed their ideological foundation several times over already. Democracy isn’t any more objectively correct or the objective end point of anything than anything else ever was.
Anon F: I just feel like there's two opposite messages there. History hasn't ended, it's on repeat
Anon D: Always has been.
Anon F: But isn't that like secretly thinking it ended? Like the movie isn't over! We can just watch it again!
Anon D: Not really. Days end but days don’t end. It’s not a contradiction it’s just a concept language doesn’t capture. There’s a difference between a day ending and the end of the collection of all days. Same thing with history.
Anon D: The end of the day vs the end of days.
Anon F: I see what you mean I think, interestingly this misunderstanding can also be made when people say history ended. There's all kinds of ways this can be understood.
Anon D: Somebody could say the history of the Soviet Union ended but the end of the Soviet Union was not the end of history. The history of the United States of America is not the history of the world. From the hypothetical perspective of somebody who exists at the hypothetical end of time, the history of America will be shorter than the history of the world and will not intersect with the beginning or the end of the world.
Anon D: Then if you want to get real technical, history of the world is not the history of the universe. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, the Sun is 4.6 billion years old, but the Big Bang was 13.8 billion years ago. Which means the universe existed longer without the sun than it has with the sun, and consequently it will also exist for longer after our sun is dead than it has with our sun alive.
Anon D (forgot to switch to other IUD): The same thing for our galaxy. 5 billion years from now, there won’t be a Milky Way galaxy because it’s going to collide with another glaxay.
Anon F (Realizes and replies from this IUD, oops): But interestingly enough, one could perhaps say the end of the Soviet union was the end of history, with the exact opposite meaning that most people would assume, in the sense that what is happening now is a new chapter.
Anon D: There is no end of history. Every empire falls, and no empire is ever the last empire.
Anon F (D samefagging): Seems like a conclusion on history, as if that's how history ends.
Anon D: What does?
Anon D: It’s cyclical. The end result of stability is instability and the end result of instability is stability. The Roman Empire was a stable authoritarian state commanded by the Roman emperor (even though there was a Senate, after Julius Caesar marched his army on Rome, it was definitely a dictatorship). During Pax Romana there was a 200 year period of Roman peace. Then there was the third century crisis when the Roman Empire had to debase its currency in order to pay its own soldiers, they had dozens of emperors killing each other for the throne in a short timespan, there was chaos. Europe converted to Christianity under Constantine, the Roman Empire fell apart, it descended into the dark ages. But Christianity was less authoritarian than worshipping a living human person who also runs your government as a God. Then things became more stable again eventually. There started to become an established aristocracy in Europe. Then, there was the Protestant reformation that upset the dominance of the Catholic Church and napoleonic wars that upset the rule of monarchs in Europe, caused loads of instability. Then things became stable again, you had some republics in Europe that were no longer absolute monarchies with some democracy, nice and stable, World War One. Then more democracies, World War Two, and now, we think this stable peace in Europe with capitalist democracies with no religion will last forever, and America will be good forever, but it’s like… really I’m just rambling. The point is you have to be crazy to think countries won’t fall apart and reform when it’s been happening constantly in cycles for thousands of years and entire societies have completely changed their ideological foundation several times over already. Democracy isn’t any more objectively correct or the objective end point of anything than anything else ever was.
Anon F: I just feel like there's two opposite messages there. History hasn't ended, it's on repeat
Anon D: Always has been.
Anon F: But isn't that like secretly thinking it ended? Like the movie isn't over! We can just watch it again!
Anon D: Not really. Days end but days don’t end. It’s not a contradiction it’s just a concept language doesn’t capture. There’s a difference between a day ending and the end of the collection of all days. Same thing with history.
Anon D: The end of the day vs the end of days.
Anon F: I see what you mean I think, interestingly this misunderstanding can also be made when people say history ended. There's all kinds of ways this can be understood.
Anon D: Somebody could say the history of the Soviet Union ended but the end of the Soviet Union was not the end of history. The history of the United States of America is not the history of the world. From the hypothetical perspective of somebody who exists at the hypothetical end of time, the history of America will be shorter than the history of the world and will not intersect with the beginning or the end of the world.
Anon D: Then if you want to get real technical, history of the world is not the history of the universe. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, the Sun is 4.6 billion years old, but the Big Bang was 13.8 billion years ago. Which means the universe existed longer without the sun than it has with the sun, and consequently it will also exist for longer after our sun is dead than it has with our sun alive.
Anon D (forgot to switch to other IUD): The same thing for our galaxy. 5 billion years from now, there won’t be a Milky Way galaxy because it’s going to collide with another glaxay.
Anon F (Realizes and replies from this IUD, oops): But interestingly enough, one could perhaps say the end of the Soviet union was the end of history, with the exact opposite meaning that most people would assume, in the sense that what is happening now is a new chapter.