Topic: Bird flu in human confirmed in US
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 year ago #122,260
Don't worry. I'm sure RFK, Jr. will handle the deadly pandemic well.
boof joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #1,335,644
I have that and I can fly now
it's pretty fuckin great, highly recommend the bird flew
it's pretty fuckin great, highly recommend the bird flew
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,657
Why was natural immunity ever given equal recognition? If they test you, confirm you have it, and you have recovered then your body would have the same learned immunity it gets from the deactivated virus in a vaccine.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,658
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 12 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,660
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,661
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 59 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,664
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 41 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,665
@previous (C)
are you talking about vaccines versus infections in general? you want the protection conferred by vaccines instead of infections, because that spares you the experience of the infection, which depending on the disease, could fucking harm you pretty bad. now keep in mind that it's a numbers game and you get no guarantee of freedom from infection after vaccination. you consider the average risks and outcomes.
are you talking about vaccines versus infections in general? you want the protection conferred by vaccines instead of infections, because that spares you the experience of the infection, which depending on the disease, could fucking harm you pretty bad. now keep in mind that it's a numbers game and you get no guarantee of freedom from infection after vaccination. you consider the average risks and outcomes.
Chuckle Brother 2 !ErY2TknG0w joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 16 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,667
Shut the fuck up Matt
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 15 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,668
@1,335,665 (boof)
> you want the protection conferred by vaccines instead of infections, because that spares you the experience of the infection
If someone wasn't spared the experience, would you acknowledge they also have the same immunity gained from the vaccine?
> you want the protection conferred by vaccines instead of infections, because that spares you the experience of the infection
If someone wasn't spared the experience, would you acknowledge they also have the same immunity gained from the vaccine?
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Toilet Seat !tr.t4dJfuU replied with this 1 year ago, 35 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,670
@1,335,661 (A)> Just fucking get the vaccine. They are safe and effective.
I haven't gotten the vaccine, and I'm still alive, healthy, and jab free.
You, on the other hand, got the jab, and you're still a fat, alcoholic, piece of shit.
Also, if one of the side effects of the jab is that it makes you look like this, you can keep it.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,672
@1,335,661 (A)
> Just fucking get the vaccine. They are safe and effective.
OK Dr Fauci, your democratic snowflakes hear and obey. Thanks for coming out of hiding to save us.
> Just fucking get the vaccine. They are safe and effective.
OK Dr Fauci, your democratic snowflakes hear and obey. Thanks for coming out of hiding to save us.
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 6 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,709
@1,335,668 (C)
A vaccine has the possibility of conferring immunity to more than one strain, as is the case with ordinary influenza for instance. More importantly, the immunity can not be said to be gained by a sufferer who has been killed by the disease. With COVID, there is the possibility of long term damage if surviving, and being infected again in the future. On the average, vaccines lessen the severity of that disease if infection has not been outright prevented.
A vaccine has the possibility of conferring immunity to more than one strain, as is the case with ordinary influenza for instance. More importantly, the immunity can not be said to be gained by a sufferer who has been killed by the disease. With COVID, there is the possibility of long term damage if surviving, and being infected again in the future. On the average, vaccines lessen the severity of that disease if infection has not been outright prevented.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 14 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,712
@previous (boof)
There's no use. These dunces think they know more than the world's top experts. It's Dunning-Kruger in action.
There's no use. These dunces think they know more than the world's top experts. It's Dunning-Kruger in action.
Chuckle Brother 2 !ErY2TknG0w replied with this 1 year ago, 13 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,715
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 16 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,716
Chuckle Brother 2 !ErY2TknG0w replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,721
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,725
@previous (Chuckle Brother 2 !ErY2TknG0w)
Looks, the obsessed weirdo stalker who only thinks about the object of his obsession day and night! lol
Looks, the obsessed weirdo stalker who only thinks about the object of his obsession day and night! lol
Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,726
@previous (A)
> Looks, the obsessed weirdo stalker who only thinks about the object of his obsession day and night! lol
Says the guy who constantly stalks, posts photos of, and harasses some old man from California.
> Looks, the obsessed weirdo stalker who only thinks about the object of his obsession day and night! lol
Says the guy who constantly stalks, posts photos of, and harasses some old man from California.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,727
Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 41 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,728
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 54 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,731
@1,335,661 (A)
> Just fucking get the vaccine. They are safe and effective.
They really aren't though.
> Just fucking get the vaccine. They are safe and effective.
They really aren't though.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,746
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,762
@1,335,709 (boof)
> A vaccine has the possibility of conferring immunity to more than one strain
Is there any published, peer-reviewed papers that find that is any better for a vaccine compared to natural immunity?
> more importantly, the immunity can not be said to be gained by a sufferer who has been killed by the disease. With COVID, there is the possibility of long term damage if surviving, and being infected again in the future. On the average, vaccines lessen the severity of that disease if infection has not been outright prevented.
Irrelevant to whether someone who has been exposed should be granted the same rights to prove their immunity. No one thinks it's good to catch a deadly disease.
> A vaccine has the possibility of conferring immunity to more than one strain
Is there any published, peer-reviewed papers that find that is any better for a vaccine compared to natural immunity?
> more importantly, the immunity can not be said to be gained by a sufferer who has been killed by the disease. With COVID, there is the possibility of long term damage if surviving, and being infected again in the future. On the average, vaccines lessen the severity of that disease if infection has not been outright prevented.
Irrelevant to whether someone who has been exposed should be granted the same rights to prove their immunity. No one thinks it's good to catch a deadly disease.
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boof replied with this 1 year ago, 34 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,764
@previous (C)
dude, there's a century of study of this shit, consult some local people in person at a hospital if you are genuinely curious.
dude, there's a century of study of this shit, consult some local people in person at a hospital if you are genuinely curious.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,883
@previous (boof)
There is no papers published in any reputable journal that finds the vaccine protects against more strains than recovering from the live virus.
There is no papers published in any reputable journal that finds the vaccine protects against more strains than recovering from the live virus.
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 34 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,335,885
@previous (C)
*ahem* routinely, the annual flu vaccine is multivalent, that is, prepared against two or more strains specifically chosen that season.
*ahem* routinely, the annual flu vaccine is multivalent, that is, prepared against two or more strains specifically chosen that season.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 12 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,056
FUCK YOU
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,137
@1,335,670 (Toilet Seat !tr.t4dJfuU)
> Also, if one of the side effects of the jab is that it makes you look like this, you can keep it.
LOL I practically fell off my chair laughing.
> Also, if one of the side effects of the jab is that it makes you look like this, you can keep it.
LOL I practically fell off my chair laughing.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 6 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,167
@1,335,885 (boof)
No one asked me for my influenza vaccination to get into everyday areas.
Carrying around proof of covid vaccination was required to get into most areas during the pandemic. Documentation of a covid diagnosis and recovery also provides immunity, but was never accepted for those requirements.
No one asked me for my influenza vaccination to get into everyday areas.
Carrying around proof of covid vaccination was required to get into most areas during the pandemic. Documentation of a covid diagnosis and recovery also provides immunity, but was never accepted for those requirements.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 11 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,208
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,212
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,227
@1,336,208 (I)
To be clear, you think getting an inactive form of a virus can confer immunity, but that contracting and recovering from the virus cannot?
Can you find a single reliable source that corroborates that?
There is research showing resistance to the virus when exposed in the past, from live and non-live exposure. There is no data supporting your statement.
To be clear, you think getting an inactive form of a virus can confer immunity, but that contracting and recovering from the virus cannot?
Can you find a single reliable source that corroborates that?
There is research showing resistance to the virus when exposed in the past, from live and non-live exposure. There is no data supporting your statement.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 54 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,230
Bird flu? I sure hope it did.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 19 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,234
Time to learn casuality in the form of casualties.Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 49 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,239
@1,336,227 (C)
Just so you know, you absolutely can catch covid more than once
Just so you know, you absolutely can catch covid more than once
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Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 27 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,240
@1,336,227 (C)
The covid vaccine teaches the immune system to recognize the spike protein. It's an MRNA vaccine, not a traditional "inactive virus" vaccine.
Also, a covid vaccine gives you a paper you can use to prove it. "I've already had COVID" - anyone can say that, and plenty of selfish people are there who would because they want to get in at any cost.
The covid vaccine teaches the immune system to recognize the spike protein. It's an MRNA vaccine, not a traditional "inactive virus" vaccine.
Also, a covid vaccine gives you a paper you can use to prove it. "I've already had COVID" - anyone can say that, and plenty of selfish people are there who would because they want to get in at any cost.
Anonymous I double-posted this 1 year ago, 22 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,241
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 33 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,246
@1,336,239 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
You can get the vaccine and catch it too. Can you name of any research showing the vaccine has more efficacy than natural immunity?
You can get the vaccine and catch it too. Can you name of any research showing the vaccine has more efficacy than natural immunity?
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 58 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,256
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 4 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,264
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
If you know then why say "you absolutely can catch covid more than once" like that's unique to natural immunity.
You understand both have the possibility of being infected still, so why not treat both forms of immunity the same?
If you know then why say "you absolutely can catch covid more than once" like that's unique to natural immunity.
You understand both have the possibility of being infected still, so why not treat both forms of immunity the same?
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 7 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,287
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 4 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,295
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
No, the only thing I've said is that natural immunity ought to be treated like immunity from vaccine. The government choose to only acknowledge the latter.
No, the only thing I've said is that natural immunity ought to be treated like immunity from vaccine. The government choose to only acknowledge the latter.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,298
@previous (C)
Just letting you know that catching covid doesn't give you full immunity because the virus mutates. Also you get any possible long term side effects from going through the illness
Do you believe that people who have caught covid experience less long term side effects than those who have received the vaccine?
Additionally, its much harder to prove that you have had covid versus proving you have received the vaccine
Just letting you know that catching covid doesn't give you full immunity because the virus mutates. Also you get any possible long term side effects from going through the illness
Do you believe that people who have caught covid experience less long term side effects than those who have received the vaccine?
Additionally, its much harder to prove that you have had covid versus proving you have received the vaccine
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Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 18 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,306
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Apparently C thinks that the door people should just take people at their word.
Apparently C thinks that the door people should just take people at their word.
Anonymous G replied with this 1 year ago, 40 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,310
@previous (I)
The door people should be allowed the make their own decisions. That's where the controversy begins. It's not about virology.
The door people should be allowed the make their own decisions. That's where the controversy begins. It's not about virology.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 9 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,315
@1,336,298 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> Just letting you know that catching covid doesn't give you full immunity because the virus mutates.
Neither does the vaccine, we just went over this.
You keep avoiding a simple question: if both provide some immunity, and neither will necessarily prevent future infection, then why was only one considered a qualifying immunity?
> Also you get any possible long term side effects from going through the illness
Yes, this has already been brought up several times. It's irrelevant to the actual question: if someone has already contracted the virus and recovered, if they already have the risk of long term side effects, should their natural immunity be recognized?
>
> Do you believe that people who have caught covid experience less long term side effects than those who have received the vaccine?
No, and I've never said anything to that effect.
>
> Additionally, its much harder to prove that you have had covid versus proving you have received the vaccine
Not at all, there are people with medical documentation showing they had the virus.
> Just letting you know that catching covid doesn't give you full immunity because the virus mutates.
Neither does the vaccine, we just went over this.
You keep avoiding a simple question: if both provide some immunity, and neither will necessarily prevent future infection, then why was only one considered a qualifying immunity?
> Also you get any possible long term side effects from going through the illness
Yes, this has already been brought up several times. It's irrelevant to the actual question: if someone has already contracted the virus and recovered, if they already have the risk of long term side effects, should their natural immunity be recognized?
>
> Do you believe that people who have caught covid experience less long term side effects than those who have received the vaccine?
No, and I've never said anything to that effect.
>
> Additionally, its much harder to prove that you have had covid versus proving you have received the vaccine
Not at all, there are people with medical documentation showing they had the virus.
Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,317
@1,336,310 (G)
So, when they decided only to allow people with vaccine passes in through those doors, you should respect it?
So, when they decided only to allow people with vaccine passes in through those doors, you should respect it?
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 42 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,319
@1,336,306 (I)
Apparently you haven't actually read what I wrote: https://minichan.net/topic/122260#reply_1336167
Like I said, if you have documentation for it, it should be treated the same as documentation for a vaccine.
Everyone here is doing everything they can to avoid a very simple question. Every response makes up some new thing I never said, and tries to refute that made up point, because no one here can give a single reason why natural immunity shouldn't be given equal weight.
Apparently you haven't actually read what I wrote: https://minichan.net/topic/122260#reply_1336167
Like I said, if you have documentation for it, it should be treated the same as documentation for a vaccine.
Everyone here is doing everything they can to avoid a very simple question. Every response makes up some new thing I never said, and tries to refute that made up point, because no one here can give a single reason why natural immunity shouldn't be given equal weight.
Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,323
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 34 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,324
@1,336,310 (G)
Door people didn't make the rules, they were following the policies set by the vaccine mandate. Letting in visitors without vaccine documentation would get them reprimanded or fired, it was taken very seriously.
These policies never allowed natural immunity to be given the same weight, and the policymakers in congress and on corporate boards never had any scientific reason for the idea that vaccines protected you better than natural immunity. There was never any scientific literature, never any actual scientists, claiming that vaccines did anything more than natural immunity.
Door people didn't make the rules, they were following the policies set by the vaccine mandate. Letting in visitors without vaccine documentation would get them reprimanded or fired, it was taken very seriously.
These policies never allowed natural immunity to be given the same weight, and the policymakers in congress and on corporate boards never had any scientific reason for the idea that vaccines protected you better than natural immunity. There was never any scientific literature, never any actual scientists, claiming that vaccines did anything more than natural immunity.
Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 53 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,325
Also apparently you've never actually been in the position of a door person, or an equivalent role in other situations.
They have no patience for people trying to game the system, and be smartasses because it happens too often. They want you to shut up and either comply with the order or go away.
They have no patience for people trying to game the system, and be smartasses because it happens too often. They want you to shut up and either comply with the order or go away.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,329
@1,336,323 (I)
Medical records created by licensed physicians.
We already have a society that accepts these documents when an employer needs a doctor to verify a condition. The same for government benefits like disability than require a medical evaluation.
This has already been figured out, it's not a problem anywhere else this is done. Yet when it came to the vaccine mandate, it was decided that this would not qualify. That decision was not based on medical professionals, or scientific consensus.
Medical records created by licensed physicians.
We already have a society that accepts these documents when an employer needs a doctor to verify a condition. The same for government benefits like disability than require a medical evaluation.
This has already been figured out, it's not a problem anywhere else this is done. Yet when it came to the vaccine mandate, it was decided that this would not qualify. That decision was not based on medical professionals, or scientific consensus.
Anonymous C double-posted this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,330
@1,336,325 (I)
The people at the door aren't making the decisions.
If there is a check to make sure the people coming in have been immunized, showing proof of that isn't "gaming the system". No one is committing fraud or tricking anyone. Showing medical records from a physician isn't being a smart ass.
If you are convinced there's a difference, but can't point to any published medical research, you are putting politics above science.
The people at the door aren't making the decisions.
If there is a check to make sure the people coming in have been immunized, showing proof of that isn't "gaming the system". No one is committing fraud or tricking anyone. Showing medical records from a physician isn't being a smart ass.
If you are convinced there's a difference, but can't point to any published medical research, you are putting politics above science.
Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,331
@previous (C)
UM ACKSHUALLY I ALREADY HAD THE DISEASE SO I DONT NEED TO HAVE IT, SO LET ME IN ALREADY
"Fuck off Karen"
UM ACKSHUALLY I ALREADY HAD THE DISEASE SO I DONT NEED TO HAVE IT, SO LET ME IN ALREADY
"Fuck off Karen"
Anonymous G replied with this 1 year ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,332
@1,336,330 (C)
> The people at the door aren't making the decisions.
Exactly. And neither were the people who owned the doors. That's a problem.
> The people at the door aren't making the decisions.
Exactly. And neither were the people who owned the doors. That's a problem.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,353
@1,336,331 (I)
Using caps isn't a replacement for naming a single reason that this shouldn't be given equal weight.
Is the requirement there to ensure the attendees have protection from the virus, or is it just a measure of who will be obedient?
Using caps isn't a replacement for naming a single reason that this shouldn't be given equal weight.
Is the requirement there to ensure the attendees have protection from the virus, or is it just a measure of who will be obedient?
Anonymous C double-posted this 1 year ago, 58 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,354
Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,358
@1,336,353 (C)
Um EXCUSE ME I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MANAGER BECAUSE THERE IS NOOOOOO GOOD REASON MY NON VACCINATED ASS SHOULD BE DECLINED ENTRY TO THIS BUSINESS
"Fuck off, Karen"
Um EXCUSE ME I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MANAGER BECAUSE THERE IS NOOOOOO GOOD REASON MY NON VACCINATED ASS SHOULD BE DECLINED ENTRY TO THIS BUSINESS
"Fuck off, Karen"
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 35 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,365
I demand to be fucked by the manager *bends, places hands apart on countertop, legs widened*
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 49 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,373
Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 48 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,395
@previous (C)
"WHERE IS THE MANAGER YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO REFUSE ME ENTRY I ABSOLUTELY MUST GET INTO THIS WAFFLE HOUSE"
"Fuck off Karen"
"WHERE IS THE MANAGER YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO REFUSE ME ENTRY I ABSOLUTELY MUST GET INTO THIS WAFFLE HOUSE"
"Fuck off Karen"
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 23 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,397
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 15 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,398
@1,336,315 (C)
I don't think anything I've typed is irrelevant and many people get no medical care regarding their covid infections
I don't think anything I've typed is irrelevant and many people get no medical care regarding their covid infections
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,400
Also, we know which strains the vaccines protect against but we dont know that from some persons doctors note that they had covid
Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 17 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,403
@1,336,397 (C)
"I WILL NOT COMPLY! I WILL NOT COMPLY! I AM A FREE THINKER! YOU ARE A SLAVE! LET ME INTO THIS WAFFLE HOUSE!"
"Fuck off Karen"
"I WILL NOT COMPLY! I WILL NOT COMPLY! I AM A FREE THINKER! YOU ARE A SLAVE! LET ME INTO THIS WAFFLE HOUSE!"
"Fuck off Karen"
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,404
@1,336,398 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> I don't think anything I've typed is irrelevant
You won't answer the one question, so it's all irrelevant. Should equal weight be given to those with natural immunity?
If not, what medical research backs up disqualifying natural immunity?
> and many people get no medical care regarding their covid infections
That's irrelevant, because no one suggested they get admitted into these areas. My words were "those with medical documentation".
> I don't think anything I've typed is irrelevant
You won't answer the one question, so it's all irrelevant. Should equal weight be given to those with natural immunity?
If not, what medical research backs up disqualifying natural immunity?
> and many people get no medical care regarding their covid infections
That's irrelevant, because no one suggested they get admitted into these areas. My words were "those with medical documentation".
Anonymous C double-posted this 1 year ago, 54 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,405
@1,336,400 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Irrelevant because any vaccination got you through the door. They never checked for specific vaccinations against specific strains of the virus.
Irrelevant because any vaccination got you through the door. They never checked for specific vaccinations against specific strains of the virus.
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,420
@previous (C)
there have been various requirements to have had a booster or two, depending, as the bulk of infections were coming from newer strains
there have been various requirements to have had a booster or two, depending, as the bulk of infections were coming from newer strains
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,421
@1,336,405 (C)
They didn't need to check
The people making the vaccines check
Also, just getting covid doesn't mean that you acquired the antibodies
They didn't need to check
The people making the vaccines check
Also, just getting covid doesn't mean that you acquired the antibodies
Anonymous F replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,437
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> Also, just getting covid doesn't mean that you acquired the antibodies
If you caught covid and recovered from it, it absolutely does mean you acquired antibodies.
> Also, just getting covid doesn't mean that you acquired the antibodies
If you caught covid and recovered from it, it absolutely does mean you acquired antibodies.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 9 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,474
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,482
@1,336,420 (boof)
That's not true, all the requirements for government mandates and corporate policies have always been you need two to be "fully vaccinated", the boosters were never part of the requirement. Strongly suggested, but no one was getting turned away for it.
@1,336,421 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> They didn't need to check
There were requirements set by various authorities requiring vaccination for people attending certain types of events, attending school, or going to the office.
> The people making the vaccines check
No, the people making the vaccines were not the ones checking vaccine cards. WTF?
> Also, just getting covid doesn't mean that you acquired the antibodies
Either one can give you the antibodies, either one could fail to give the antibodies.
You keep ignoring this question, and then acting like it's already been established: Can you name a single piece of medical literature that shows vaccines have a higher likelihood of providing those antibodies vs natural immunity?
That's not true, all the requirements for government mandates and corporate policies have always been you need two to be "fully vaccinated", the boosters were never part of the requirement. Strongly suggested, but no one was getting turned away for it.
@1,336,421 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> They didn't need to check
There were requirements set by various authorities requiring vaccination for people attending certain types of events, attending school, or going to the office.
> The people making the vaccines check
No, the people making the vaccines were not the ones checking vaccine cards. WTF?
> Also, just getting covid doesn't mean that you acquired the antibodies
Either one can give you the antibodies, either one could fail to give the antibodies.
You keep ignoring this question, and then acting like it's already been established: Can you name a single piece of medical literature that shows vaccines have a higher likelihood of providing those antibodies vs natural immunity?
Anonymous C double-posted this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,483
@1,336,474 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Multiple possible reasons:
* To check if it actually was covid, or if the test/diagnosis was faulty.
* To see what strain they have antibodies against
* Collecting data on the quantity of those antibodies.
Generally there is no follow-up to test your antibodies after a covid diagnosis. They discharge patients, and tell them to contact the hospital again if further problems arise.
Multiple possible reasons:
* To check if it actually was covid, or if the test/diagnosis was faulty.
* To see what strain they have antibodies against
* Collecting data on the quantity of those antibodies.
Generally there is no follow-up to test your antibodies after a covid diagnosis. They discharge patients, and tell them to contact the hospital again if further problems arise.
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 14 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,484
@1,336,482 (C)
the world has a lot of jurisdictions in them -- some organizations within each had their own specific rules
the world has a lot of jurisdictions in them -- some organizations within each had their own specific rules
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 11 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,485
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,491
@previous (C)
well sure and there must be thousands of different organizations (hospitals, companies, localities) that had independent rules
well sure and there must be thousands of different organizations (hospitals, companies, localities) that had independent rules
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 58 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,499
@previous (boof)
Healthcare providers all share a centralized medical record in the US.
These companies already accept a doctor's note to explain a leave of absence, so they already have a method to check these. Anyway, someone could print out a fake COVID card too, the problem was that no mandates allowed natural immunity to be accepted. That decision was not based on any scientific evidence, and the explanation given for how vaccines work was always that your immune system learned the same way it did from a live virus.
Healthcare providers all share a centralized medical record in the US.
These companies already accept a doctor's note to explain a leave of absence, so they already have a method to check these. Anyway, someone could print out a fake COVID card too, the problem was that no mandates allowed natural immunity to be accepted. That decision was not based on any scientific evidence, and the explanation given for how vaccines work was always that your immune system learned the same way it did from a live virus.
Anonymous F replied with this 1 year ago, 19 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,506
@1,336,474 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
@1,336,483 (C)
Also to provide the patient with a medical record stating what antibodies they acquired, in order to back their case when some idiot inevitably doesn't believe them.
@1,336,483 (C)
Also to provide the patient with a medical record stating what antibodies they acquired, in order to back their case when some idiot inevitably doesn't believe them.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 19 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,507
Anonymous F replied with this 1 year ago, 25 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,513
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Because science. If you catch a virus and your body recovers from it, it is medically impossible for you not to have produced antibodies to fight off the infection.
Please Google T cells, B cells, B memory cells (lymphocytes in general) immune system, antigens, antibodies, spleen function etc. and you will find decades of research on this stuff. It is by now very well understood.
Because science. If you catch a virus and your body recovers from it, it is medically impossible for you not to have produced antibodies to fight off the infection.
Please Google T cells, B cells, B memory cells (lymphocytes in general) immune system, antigens, antibodies, spleen function etc. and you will find decades of research on this stuff. It is by now very well understood.
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 5 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,515
tell you what. if you are willing to pay the cost of getting a COVID panel test on you, let's give you the certification .
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 52 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,521
@1,336,513 (F)
No. I meant people lie a lot and shouldn't automatically be believed that they had covid or a particular new strain of covid
No. I meant people lie a lot and shouldn't automatically be believed that they had covid or a particular new strain of covid
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 1 year ago, 16 seconds later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,523
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 45 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,532
@1,336,521 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
The example I gave was providing documentation. Not special treatment, just the same treatment vaccine card holders have.
The example I gave was providing documentation. Not special treatment, just the same treatment vaccine card holders have.