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Topic: First world countries with full of shit freedom of speech.
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago#12,207
America is a shithole for sure, but she obviously has the best freedom of speech in the world. My question is of the rest of the first world countries which is the best?
People will believe what they are told to believe.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,975
Edgy.
sluggy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,976
Freedom of speech as long as it's not subjectively obscene or at an airport or directed at a judge.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,977
@219,970 (B)
Yeah, the U.S. has a very strong tradition of protecting freedom of speech. It's not perfect, and especially during wartime it gets curtailed, but the "imminent lawless action" standard allows for considerable leeway in speech.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,978
Every time you put down America, you show you jelly.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,980
@219,973 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
If you honestly believe that you are just not paying attention.
In America you can deny the Holocaust without going to prison. Not possible in Germany.
In America you can read a David Duke book suggesting there is an international Jewish supremacy movement, not possible in Canada.
Go fuck yourselves. You don't know shit about the world. America sucks ass for sure but her freedom of speech is unparalleled. The only people who feel they don't have freedom of speech in America are the pussies who can't tolerate the backlash. A backlash made possible by freedom of fucking speech.
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Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 0 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,981
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,983
@219,978 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
REMINDER: Detroit is in America.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,985
I'd cite all the things I can't say in America, but it'd be a pretty long fucking list and I don't have the time nor the will to educate you.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,988
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
So you are claiming a group of people doesn't know something, and you would rather not tell them, meaning that you would rather have the problem exist, whether it actually exists or not, and mock it.
> Edgy.
Called it. Should've said "armchair activist", though.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,990
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 11 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,992
In America, if you are arrested, you are told that you have "the right to remain silent." If, during the interrogation, you "remain silent," then you are illegally beaten by abusive thugs. Yeah, great country.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 minutes after the original post[^][v]#219,995
It's not the trolls ruining this place, it's people acting like morons.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,007
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
What's the "long fucking list" of things you can't say in America? You seem to have enough time to bump this topic with insults.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,008
@220,004 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Good for you. I'm still correct.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,009
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 0 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,015
@220,009 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
The only "restricted" things I can think of are troop movements, hate speech, and incitements to murder/riot/etc. If you know of more, by all means tell us.
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Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,016
@220,009 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
You can't type a one-sentence summary.
Are you actively trying to prove me correct?
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 15 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,017
@220,009 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
But if it's illegal to say in this country, I don't want to google it and get arrested.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,020
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 27 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,021
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56) > Have you provided evidence contrary to what I'm saying?
You haven't said anything.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 16 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,022
@220,020 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Well to google it I would have to type in words which I think is a form of speech. Right? Fuck man, can you help me out? I'm a little worried.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 36 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,023
@220,021 (J)
Exactly. He won't say anything, either. He won't post a link. He won't post a synopsis. He'll only post conjecture.
Kannons replied with this 15 years ago, 8 seconds later, 28 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,024
@220,020 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
post a lmgtfy link if your too lazy to proof it
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 18 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,043
@219,990 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Yeah, and in America you're free to say the government's official story about 9/11 is bullshit. Many have done so.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,048
@220,015 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
In the US? You can't say anything to a judge in court they don't want to hear. You can only curse an officer off once (then it becomes harassment). You can't draw images of young children shitting on each other while a dog rapes them. You can't write a book on how to groom children. You can't say a lot of Islamic stuff in many places (especially an airport). You can't tell the truth in the news media.
sluggy double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 59 minutes after the original post[^][v]#220,050
You can't make a video where an adult woman pretends to be 12 years old and gets fucked in the ass, no lube, and piss in her face, mouth, asshole, vagina.
sluggy triple-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,054
Also, we just made it legal to say you are gay.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,055
lol whoops; dat picture
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Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 31 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,057
@220,048 (sluggy)
You should try some of those things to prove yourself to be correct.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,059
@220,048 (sluggy) > You can't say anything to a judge in court they don't want to hear. You can only curse an officer off once (then it becomes harassment)
oh look, it seems irl mods aren't so different from internet mods, what an astonishing surprise!
> You can't draw images of young children shitting on each other while a dog rapes them.
drawings aren't covered by freedom of speech
> You can't write a book on how to groom children.
lol, u mad pedo?
> You can't say a lot of Islamic stuff in many places (especially an airport)
you win this round
> You can't tell the truth in the news media.
this i believe, is an extension of irl moderators
@220,050 (sluggy) > You can't make a video where an adult woman pretends to be 12 years old and gets fucked in the ass, no lube, and piss in her face, mouth, asshole, vagina.
problem pedo?
Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,070
@previous (L)
Most forms of art are protected under freedom of speech.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,071
@previous (Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA)
armchair lawfag detected
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,073
@previous (L)
Not to feed the troll too late but there is a difference between an armchair lawyer and someone with a basic understanding of American law.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,079
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,090
@220,048 (sluggy) > You can't say anything to a judge in court they don't want to hear.
You can't disrupt the judicial process. Judges can be be dicks, but that's not necessarily constitutionally protected.
> You can only curse an officer off once (then it becomes harassment).
Which court case decided that?
> You can't draw images of young children shitting on each other while a dog rapes them
What a shame.
> You can't write a book on how to groom children.
Was the book just taken down off amazon or was he tried and convicted of a specific charge?
> You can't say a lot of Islamic stuff in many places (especially an airport).
You can, as long as you're not disturbing the peace.
> You can't tell the truth in the news media.
Fair point.
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Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,097
> >You can't draw images of young children shitting on each other while a dog rapes them > What a shame.
lol'd
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#220,102
@220,090 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
No, you can't call a judge an asshole, but the supreme court has upheld that calling a cop one is constitutionally protected. I don't know the case, but I believe it's fairly recent.
The dude with the book was arrested cause that sheriff in Florida contacted him after his book was removed from amazon (which it should have been. I agree with that 100%), and ordered one through the mail and then charged him, had him extradited and blah blah blah. It's bullshit. There was also a manga collector arrested for buying a bunch of hentai mangas that depicted underage girls. It was a popular manga. He relieved a lot of support. No idea what became of that.
You can say Islamic stuff in an airport, but you will be pulled aside and likely strip searched. Oh, also, you can't even freely build mosques. Which I'd argue is a violation of freedom of religion and speech.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,105
@previous (sluggy)
I'm talking about constitutionally protected freedom of speech. I'm not talking about what happens in the south or other parts of the uncivilised world.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,112
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
NY. It happens in NY more than anywhere. They're very islamaphobic. Every mosque has police informants, trained by the CIA (how sleazy is that. So, technically the CIA isn't spyin on citizens, it's the NY police department -- just they happen to be trained by someone on the cia's payroll.)
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,130
First of all, art is protected by freedom of speech, second, most of your arguments have already been proven to be misconceptions or misinterpretations of American laws. As for the guy who sold the grooming book, he should have paid attention to the interstate commerce laws concerning the distribution of obscenity as well as the local laws of the state where he was shipping material with the intent for children to be harmed. He broke no laws by writing it, he broke laws when he sold it. There is a difference. If he had sent a free copy he probably would have been fine.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,136
@220,090 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU) > > You can't write a book on how to groom children. > Was the book just taken down off amazon or was he tried and convicted of a specific charge?
Actually, he pled no-contest to a state law regarding the distribution of obscene material and is currently on probation. The disturbing thing here (aside from the actual content of the book) is that he was able to be arrested and extradited to Florida from Colorado over the matter.
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sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 44 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,151
Obscenity laws are bullshit.
Frank Zappa was entrapped by police when he owned a studio. They heard he was doing "weird stuff" so they sent someone to ask him to record two people having sex. He and a woman recorded themselves jumping up and down on a bed while moaning.
He was arrested for obscenity. He plead and closed his studio.
Obscenity is subjective and bullshit.
It's a work-around free speech. No country has real free speech, that i am aware of.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,153
@previous (sluggy)
America has the most lax restrictions on speech. Of course there is no pure free speech, you'll never be able to scream "fire" in a crowded theater, for example. You're not allowed to use speech to injure or incite violence.
Bawwwww
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 45 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,157
> The only "restricted" things I can think of are ... hate speech
How is hate speech restricted?
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 40 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,159
@220,153 (O)
Yelling "fire" disrupts the show and potentially causes property or physical damage - that is what one is being charged for. The content of your speech doesn't even come up. This is not a free speech issue.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,161
@220,153 (O)
That isn't an issue of free speech. You can yell fire all you want. You can't try to cause a stampede.
Just like you can own a gun, but you can't just shoot it whenever you want.
Anonymous S joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,163
@220,159 (R)
I.e. Not all forms of speech are protected, and speaking words from your mouth specifically is speech, regardless of the outcome good or bad, you can't redefine speaking publically not speech.
Yelling fire in a theater is a very common example used to illustrate the limits of "free speech." Also, sedition is not protected speech.
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,166
@previous (S)
The "speech" is protected - it's effects are not. You are not being punished for yelling "fire" - you are being punished for deliberately misleading people in such a way as to cause property/physical damage.
Calling this a "free speech" issue is a way for people to justify restriction of free speech.
Sedition is retarded. Speak against the state = sedition. It's just a way to crush opposition and preserve the status quo.
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,170
@previous (R)
You do not understand simple definitions of only slightly complex terms. If you think sedition = speaking against the state then you have some really basic misunderstandings about what speech is, and what it means to incite violence or cause injury. Sedition is treasonous speech meant to cause specific rebellions or violence, nor merely criticising government.
Since you show very little understandings of the subject being discussed I will leave it to you to make more broad misconstrued generalizations and assumtions based on... Whatever you are bassing your opinions on, I am assuming it's your ass.
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,171
@previous (S) > treasonous speech meant to cause specific rebellions or violence
You meant like the Declaration of Independence? which enumerates the right to rebel and commit violence against tyrannical governments?
Sedition laws are "un-American".
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,187
@220,170 (S)
Sedition does not mean treasounous. It is writing or speech that incites or attempts or promotes actions against government and law, but not necessarily rebellion.
Once it does cross the line into promoting overthrow of the government or support of an enemy of the state, it becomes treason. There is a difference.
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SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 34 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,194
> AA+merica > free speech
haha oh wow
Kannons replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#220,345