Topic: Moral Conundrum
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 year ago #121,960
You are a trolleyman, and you're standing at your levers on the bridge overlooking a split in the track.
Suddenly, a 4yo child trips onto the track! And, oh no! A trolley is approaching!
Luckily, you'll be able to pull your lever and turn the trolley onto the other track.
However, on the other track there is a teenage girl undergoing a photo shoot for Deaf Teens charity calendar. She'd never be able to hear the trolley coming or you shouting, and would not be able to get out of the way quickly enough.
There is a third option. There is a fat blind man sitting on the bridge. If you throw him off at the right moment, he will cannonball into the driver's cab, annihilating both men, but causing the trolley to stop as the Dead Mans Switch is deactivated.
What do you do?
Suddenly, a 4yo child trips onto the track! And, oh no! A trolley is approaching!
Luckily, you'll be able to pull your lever and turn the trolley onto the other track.
However, on the other track there is a teenage girl undergoing a photo shoot for Deaf Teens charity calendar. She'd never be able to hear the trolley coming or you shouting, and would not be able to get out of the way quickly enough.
There is a third option. There is a fat blind man sitting on the bridge. If you throw him off at the right moment, he will cannonball into the driver's cab, annihilating both men, but causing the trolley to stop as the Dead Mans Switch is deactivated.
What do you do?
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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 16 minutes later[^] [v] #1,331,920
The child might not die, doing nothing is the best option
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 15 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,924
@previous (B)
As the arbiter of the moral conundrum, I can assure you that the child dies quite gruesomely if he is struck by the trolley.
As the arbiter of the moral conundrum, I can assure you that the child dies quite gruesomely if he is struck by the trolley.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,931
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 3 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,932
@1,331,924 (A)
> As the arbiter of the moral conundrum, I can assure you that the child dies quite gruesomely if he is struck by the trolley.
That would be a different conundrum than the one you proposed, which is the only conundrum that can now be discussed in this topic. The child has tripped but it isn't certain they will be hit if the trolley continues down the track. The child can simply move out of the way.
> As the arbiter of the moral conundrum, I can assure you that the child dies quite gruesomely if he is struck by the trolley.
That would be a different conundrum than the one you proposed, which is the only conundrum that can now be discussed in this topic. The child has tripped but it isn't certain they will be hit if the trolley continues down the track. The child can simply move out of the way.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 7 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,936
@1,331,931 (C)
No, I think I'd prefer a Russian mail order bride if I had to choose.
@previous (B)
I promise, in the Conundrum I proposed, the outcome of doing nothing is that the child dies.
No, I think I'd prefer a Russian mail order bride if I had to choose.
@previous (B)
I promise, in the Conundrum I proposed, the outcome of doing nothing is that the child dies.
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 16 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,939
I just stand and watch without pulling anything. I will not be forced into an impossible moral dilemma that is not my doing, then be blamed for doing something wrong.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 29 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,943
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 34 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,946
@previous (B)
If you, as a simple trolley lever operator, do not know that the result of a child being hit by a trolley is certain death, then you are due some refresher training.
If you, as a simple trolley lever operator, do not know that the result of a child being hit by a trolley is certain death, then you are due some refresher training.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 30 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,949
If you have enough time to switch tracks, you absolutely have enough time to apply brakes. Stopping completely is not your task, allowing the most time possible for the child (or someone else) to handle it is the correct choice. Very similar to getting in an accident on the freeway - evading is likely to cause an accident too (and will be your fault).
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,959
Head towards the deaf girl because the photographers will be able to see and hear you and move her to safety.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,966
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
If we have to assume the tripped child is unable to stand back up and move to safety, we must also assume that the deaf model's photographer is similarly unable to assist her. The OP said that in every scenario people die, even though he didn't set it up that way. But I'm just a trolley lever operator, this is all way above my pay grade. I'm going on my union break, cover me until I get back
If we have to assume the tripped child is unable to stand back up and move to safety, we must also assume that the deaf model's photographer is similarly unable to assist her. The OP said that in every scenario people die, even though he didn't set it up that way. But I'm just a trolley lever operator, this is all way above my pay grade. I'm going on my union break, cover me until I get back
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boof joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 36 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,331,970
maybe I jiggle the lever back and forth as fast as I can
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 4 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,332,003
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FleeAnonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,332,240
@1,332,003 (A)
It says the deaf girl will not be able to move out of the way in time, so she will certainly die if I send the trolley onto that track. It does not say the child cannot move out the way. As a trolley lever operator, my training handbook was VERY clear that I must decide based upon the facts of the situation only.
It says the deaf girl will not be able to move out of the way in time, so she will certainly die if I send the trolley onto that track. It does not say the child cannot move out the way. As a trolley lever operator, my training handbook was VERY clear that I must decide based upon the facts of the situation only.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,332,242
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,332,246
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,332,247
@previous (B)
Do you enjoy disrupting and ruining threads? Is this a sick pleasure for you? "Do nothing, but the outcome is different because I say so" isn't a valid option, it's just trolling. Begone from my thread, Anon B.
Do you enjoy disrupting and ruining threads? Is this a sick pleasure for you? "Do nothing, but the outcome is different because I say so" isn't a valid option, it's just trolling. Begone from my thread, Anon B.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,332,249
@previous (A)
Anything that I choose to write in the topic is a valid response to the poll. You created the thread this way, don't blame me. While you're here, can you tell your Chinawife that I'd like to order 2 dozen donuts.
Anything that I choose to write in the topic is a valid response to the poll. You created the thread this way, don't blame me. While you're here, can you tell your Chinawife that I'd like to order 2 dozen donuts.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 41 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,332,250
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Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,332,287
Write in: OPenis should open front trolley window, jump out and let the trolley hit his fattass, thus bringing trolley to a stop, saving the others on the tracks.