Topic: Is there such a thing as a positive stereotype?
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG started this discussion 15 years ago #12,136
I had a discussion with someone earlier about this, do you think they exist and in what way? What kind of "positive stereotypes" are there?
brie !OudrPWaUDQ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later[^] [v] #218,367
'sick people carry diseases' is a pretty useful stereotype.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,369
Jews are great accountants.
stickybuns !bENfolDsOU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,371
Germans are efficient.
Cuneyt Arkin !XIxc6BpKnU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,373
chinamen are good at math
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,375
Black people are athletic and sexually well-endowed.
Asians are intelligent, physically thin and culturally enriched.
Gays are clean and generally polite.
Just a few off the top of my head.
Asians are intelligent, physically thin and culturally enriched.
Gays are clean and generally polite.
Just a few off the top of my head.
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,378
We French are civilised, cultured, and quite superior.
brie !OudrPWaUDQ replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,379
@218,375 (F)
> Black people are athletic and sexually well-endowed.
And they don't get sunburns.
> Asians are intelligent, physically thin and culturally enriched.
And they write amusing fortune cookies.
> Gays are clean and generally polite.
And they have dat queer eye.
> Black people are athletic and sexually well-endowed.
And they don't get sunburns.
> Asians are intelligent, physically thin and culturally enriched.
And they write amusing fortune cookies.
> Gays are clean and generally polite.
And they have dat queer eye.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,382
Sure, but I don't think they're ever positive in the sense of being a good thing, there's always the out-group that gets the short end.
For instance, the bias (not sure it's really a conscious stereotype) for taller and more attractive people as being smarter/etc. does help them professionally, but how useful or accurate is it really?
For instance, the bias (not sure it's really a conscious stereotype) for taller and more attractive people as being smarter/etc. does help them professionally, but how useful or accurate is it really?
Fox !FXYGNx1XR. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,384
Kittens are stereotypically cute.Foxen are cuter, by that's for another time.
So that's pretty positive I guess.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,386
People can be stereotyped to have positive attributes, but most forms of stereotyping (racist, cultural, religious &c.) are inherently detrimental to good social relations, whether the stereotype attributes positive or negative characteristics to group in question.
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,387
sluggy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 28 seconds later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,388
No stereotype is good. Just ask any black guy with a small dick.
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 39 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,390
@218,386 (J)
In social situations I think this is very true. I heard an argument that stereotypes can be good/positive in the sense of not doing something that may offend, but that comes as a cultural norm. Can you think of anything that might offend you as a stereotype?
In social situations I think this is very true. I heard an argument that stereotypes can be good/positive in the sense of not doing something that may offend, but that comes as a cultural norm. Can you think of anything that might offend you as a stereotype?
!VoCaLoNunI joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,391
@218,387 (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
Don't do that.
Please, just behave and I won't have to null-route Minichan. (I've already convinced myself to undo it, don't make me do it again.)
Don't do that.
Please, just behave and I won't have to null-route Minichan. (I've already convinced myself to undo it, don't make me do it again.)
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 seconds later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,392
@218,387 (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
Do you eat baguettes all the time? Do most French people smoke? Those are the kinds of questions worth asking, I think.
Do you eat baguettes all the time? Do most French people smoke? Those are the kinds of questions worth asking, I think.
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 17 seconds later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,394
@218,390 (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
One stereotype that offends me, but that is just a cultural norm, is that we French all eat escargots all the time. I mean, I like a good snail dish, but not all the time!!
One stereotype that offends me, but that is just a cultural norm, is that we French all eat escargots all the time. I mean, I like a good snail dish, but not all the time!!
Handel !khEOdtKF56 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,397
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 25 seconds later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,398
@218,394 (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
Would you consider the French people to also be somewhat arrogant in regards to other European people? I was considering alternatives to counteract these sort of stereotypes, such as what examples one may give. Visiting a smaller town is not at all similar to visiting Paris!
Would you consider the French people to also be somewhat arrogant in regards to other European people? I was considering alternatives to counteract these sort of stereotypes, such as what examples one may give. Visiting a smaller town is not at all similar to visiting Paris!
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,399
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,401
@previous (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
Why? Don't you enjoy other European culture just as much? You must enjoy the Spanish lifestyle because you have your daily siesta!
Why? Don't you enjoy other European culture just as much? You must enjoy the Spanish lifestyle because you have your daily siesta!
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,403
@previous (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
Well, I am French-Spanish, so I like both, but we French tend to feel superior, yes. However, many rural French people are quite nice, kind, warm, and generous.
Well, I am French-Spanish, so I like both, but we French tend to feel superior, yes. However, many rural French people are quite nice, kind, warm, and generous.
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,405
@previous (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
Ah ja, na klar! Entschuldigung, Depressionman. I forgot you were both. That makes perfect senses that you have this siesta. What would you think, as a Frenchman, the stereotypical French/European impressions of what American are, though? This is kind of what I was also wanting to hear.
Ah ja, na klar! Entschuldigung, Depressionman. I forgot you were both. That makes perfect senses that you have this siesta. What would you think, as a Frenchman, the stereotypical French/European impressions of what American are, though? This is kind of what I was also wanting to hear.
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,410
@previous (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
The stereotype of Americans is:
1. Fat
2. Lazy
3. Uneducated
4. Violent
5. Ignorant of basic geography, languages, and basic schoolchild knowledge
6. Very friendly
7. Tell you too much at first, like you just meet them, and they tell you about their gall bladder surgery in detail.
8. Arrogant: genuinely believe that "America is the greatest nation in the history of the world," but cannot tell you why.
The stereotype of Americans is:
1. Fat
2. Lazy
3. Uneducated
4. Violent
5. Ignorant of basic geography, languages, and basic schoolchild knowledge
6. Very friendly
7. Tell you too much at first, like you just meet them, and they tell you about their gall bladder surgery in detail.
8. Arrogant: genuinely believe that "America is the greatest nation in the history of the world," but cannot tell you why.
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Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #218,412
@218,390 (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
The stereotype of an Australian is outdoors, fun-in-the-sun, beach-going, &c. and I am none of these things. I hate the beach, I almost drowned one time. I hate the sun and Australian sports.
The stereotype of an Australian is outdoors, fun-in-the-sun, beach-going, &c. and I am none of these things. I hate the beach, I almost drowned one time. I hate the sun and Australian sports.
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,436
@218,410 (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
I have heard this stereotypes for Americans, however:
1)Are always helpful
2)Smile too often
Do you think this is true?
@previous (J)
Do you ever have problems with foreigners thinking you are this way?
I have heard this stereotypes for Americans, however:
1)Are always helpful
2)Smile too often
Do you think this is true?
@previous (J)
Do you ever have problems with foreigners thinking you are this way?
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,438
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,440
@previous (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
And that is a positive stereotype, yes? Do you think that it could be understood in a negative way, though?
And that is a positive stereotype, yes? Do you think that it could be understood in a negative way, though?
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,445
@previous (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
I think it is positive. The only thing is that in cultures that are very, very reserved, like in Asian cultures, too much smiling could be perceived as aggression, instead of friendliness.
I think it is positive. The only thing is that in cultures that are very, very reserved, like in Asian cultures, too much smiling could be perceived as aggression, instead of friendliness.
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,451
@previous (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
Well maybe it could be understood as deviousness. I think personal space is a big issue. Do the French like their own personal space as well as interacting with their own rather than tourists?
Well maybe it could be understood as deviousness. I think personal space is a big issue. Do the French like their own personal space as well as interacting with their own rather than tourists?
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,453
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,457
@previous (J)
Do you think that these stereotypes exist to some extent, though? What stereotypes might you be known for? Do you think it is good or bad? What might some "positive stereotypes" of Australians be?
Do you think that these stereotypes exist to some extent, though? What stereotypes might you be known for? Do you think it is good or bad? What might some "positive stereotypes" of Australians be?
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,459
@218,451 (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
Smiling could invoke those early feelings that remind us of our primitive days when showing one's teeth is a sign of aggression. Ever do that to a dog? Some of them go fucking nuts and want to rip you to shreds.
Smiling could invoke those early feelings that remind us of our primitive days when showing one's teeth is a sign of aggression. Ever do that to a dog? Some of them go fucking nuts and want to rip you to shreds.
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,463
@previous (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
The question I think I see is that "smiling" all the time implies two things: 1) you're either a retard OR 2) is this person up to something? Are they devious? What is their intention?
That is all implied and interpretted by body language and what is understood between cultures, though.
The question I think I see is that "smiling" all the time implies two things: 1) you're either a retard OR 2) is this person up to something? Are they devious? What is their intention?
That is all implied and interpretted by body language and what is understood between cultures, though.
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,471
@218,451 (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
Good point. We French have very little personal space. We talk very close. But we understand that Americans have a large personal space, and we try to respect it.
Good point. We French have very little personal space. We talk very close. But we understand that Americans have a large personal space, and we try to respect it.
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,473
@218,457 (Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG)
Yes - most Australians are quite outdoorsy and do like Australian sports. I am a Christian so I guess there a lot of stereotypes there. I would prefer people judge me as an individual. Positive stereotype would be "mateship" - but I think that's just an australian stereotype of australians lol.
Yes - most Australians are quite outdoorsy and do like Australian sports. I am a Christian so I guess there a lot of stereotypes there. I would prefer people judge me as an individual. Positive stereotype would be "mateship" - but I think that's just an australian stereotype of australians lol.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,479
@previous (J)
Australians are crazy-eyed chauvinists and the women are always inordinately gummy. I can't think of a single positive stereotype about Australians.
Australians are crazy-eyed chauvinists and the women are always inordinately gummy. I can't think of a single positive stereotype about Australians.
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Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,487
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,491
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,495
@218,487 (J)
The whole mouth structure is a little weird, in fact. Closed gene pool will do funny things though.
The whole mouth structure is a little weird, in fact. Closed gene pool will do funny things though.
Fuchs !!4KU9PSdLG (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,497
@218,479 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
I think of Australians as adventurous, industrious, worldly (travel often), and concerned for their own country in a patriotic way to improve their living conditions. Correct me anywhere if I am wrong, Anonymous J.
@218,471 (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
Do the French respect personal space? For example, you might know someone but do you refer to them formally or informally? Do strangers really speak with one another outside of the obvious "I need directions to wherever" or is this kind of informal and strange chit chat acceptable? Americans tend to do this more often. A passerby might say "Hi, how are you?" and a default programmed reaction from them is "Not much" which obviously does not make any sense, so it's interesting to note the differences.
I think of Australians as adventurous, industrious, worldly (travel often), and concerned for their own country in a patriotic way to improve their living conditions. Correct me anywhere if I am wrong, Anonymous J.
@218,471 (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
Do the French respect personal space? For example, you might know someone but do you refer to them formally or informally? Do strangers really speak with one another outside of the obvious "I need directions to wherever" or is this kind of informal and strange chit chat acceptable? Americans tend to do this more often. A passerby might say "Hi, how are you?" and a default programmed reaction from them is "Not much" which obviously does not make any sense, so it's interesting to note the differences.
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,499
@218,491 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
Don't want to sound mean but the average Aussie girl is WAY hotter than the average American/UK girl. I've always thought this from watching tv &c. and it has been confirmed by every traveller from these countries I have met.
Don't want to sound mean but the average Aussie girl is WAY hotter than the average American/UK girl. I've always thought this from watching tv &c. and it has been confirmed by every traveller from these countries I have met.
Anonymous J double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,501
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,505
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,521
@218,378 (Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu)
> French are arrogant, pompous pricks
FTFY
Also, you're not French. I thought you were gonna leave the shtick at GHOUL :/
> French are arrogant, pompous pricks
FTFY
Also, you're not French. I thought you were gonna leave the shtick at GHOUL :/
Sandwich !!SExb9B1Bu replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,528
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #218,531
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,542
@previous (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
Sorry, didn't think that that was really sensitive info.
Matt, my point is that even if you were born in France, you're no more French than a Frenchman that was born in the States is American. Not trying to be a dick, but I really wish you'd make an effort to be more genuine.
Sorry, didn't think that that was really sensitive info.
Matt, my point is that even if you were born in France, you're no more French than a Frenchman that was born in the States is American. Not trying to be a dick, but I really wish you'd make an effort to be more genuine.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,549
@previous (O)
Lol my friend used to say he was Japanese because he was born on a naval boat in Japanese waters.
Lol my friend used to say he was Japanese because he was born on a naval boat in Japanese waters.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,555
@previous (P)
And that's exactly what Matt's doing. Sure, he is well versed in French culture, fluent in French, etc., but he's not actually French, and there is lots of proof out there. It's also a pretty petty thing for him to lie about, when he could just talk about said stereotypes minus the shtick.
And that's exactly what Matt's doing. Sure, he is well versed in French culture, fluent in French, etc., but he's not actually French, and there is lots of proof out there. It's also a pretty petty thing for him to lie about, when he could just talk about said stereotypes minus the shtick.
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,557
@previous (O)
Its sad, with my friend, I was the ONLY one who didn't just go with it, and am one of the few to this day.
Its sad, with my friend, I was the ONLY one who didn't just go with it, and am one of the few to this day.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,558
@218,549 (P)
My cousin was. He is a Japanese citizen. He is half Japanese, though. His sister was born in the US. She looks more American-jap than him. It's kind of funny.
My cousin was. He is a Japanese citizen. He is half Japanese, though. His sister was born in the US. She looks more American-jap than him. It's kind of funny.
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,560
@218,557 (P)
Yeah, I'm the same way. If I had a friend that did that, I'd probably constantly call him out if he made a claim like that.
Yeah, I'm the same way. If I had a friend that did that, I'd probably constantly call him out if he made a claim like that.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,562
Anonymous P replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,613
@218,560 (O)
Yeah, I did all the time in elementary school. After that i stopped caring.
@previous (sluggy)
No, he just wants to be fucking exotic.
Yeah, I did all the time in elementary school. After that i stopped caring.
@previous (sluggy)
No, he just wants to be fucking exotic.
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,617
@previous (P)
Lol. He will grow out of it. I don't knowhow many countries follow the "born here, you are a citizen" model the us uses. We are Amarion if immigrants, so it makes sense for us.
Lol. He will grow out of it. I don't knowhow many countries follow the "born here, you are a citizen" model the us uses. We are Amarion if immigrants, so it makes sense for us.