Topic: Perhaps we could all come to a consensus, on what a "shitpost" is.
K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk started this discussion 15 years ago #12,109
I do not wish anybody here harm, and I do not mean to offend. Could we, as a group of friendly, intelligent, individuals, come up with what kind of topic is considered a shitpost? Thanks.Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 43 seconds later[^] [v] #217,870
This thread http://www.tinychan.org/topic/10050
Shit title, shit body. No even attempt by putting a photo in.
Shit title, shit body. No even attempt by putting a photo in.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,871
There's no point.
What's considered a shitpost should be the discretion of the moderators.
Trying to define it NEVER goes well.
What's considered a shitpost should be the discretion of the moderators.
Trying to define it NEVER goes well.
K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 15 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,872
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,875
Anything with a headline that includes the word "fora" or ends in ellipses.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 37 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,876
- No content or humor value
- Doesn't generate discussion
- Repetitive
- Pointlessly creating drama
Stuff like that.
- Doesn't generate discussion
- Repetitive
- Pointlessly creating drama
Stuff like that.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,877
@previous (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
> - No content or humor value
> - Repetitive
Shitposts
> - Doesn't generate discussion
Boring posts
> - Pointlessly creating drama
Troll posts
> - No content or humor value
> - Repetitive
Shitposts
> - Doesn't generate discussion
Boring posts
> - Pointlessly creating drama
Troll posts
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,878
I like where this thread is headed OP
ltamake !!onnLC5KY8 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 49 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,879
Everything posted by you.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,880
@217,872 (K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk)
The text had no content so they least they could do was include a good picture, but no.
The text had no content so they least they could do was include a good picture, but no.
K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,881
@217,876 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
What wasn't funny about what I posted? You allowed FAlco to post THIS: http://minichan.org/topic/11747
What wasn't funny about what I posted? You allowed FAlco to post THIS: http://minichan.org/topic/11747
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,882
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 14 seconds later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,883
That's what I love about you, DM. Instantaneous dramafication.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,885
Actually when someone makes a shitpost, the best thing is for the mods to ignore it and for the people to ignore it.
If you respond even to complain then they think it's a good post. If mods respond, then they think it's such a good post that it pissed a mod off and a mod deleted it because of jealousy.
If it's just ignored, then they realize it's shit.
If you respond even to complain then they think it's a good post. If mods respond, then they think it's such a good post that it pissed a mod off and a mod deleted it because of jealousy.
If it's just ignored, then they realize it's shit.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,887
@217,881 (K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk)
Judgment call I guess, and topics likely to cause drama are likely to be deleted.
Judgment call I guess, and topics likely to cause drama are likely to be deleted.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,888
ltamake !!onnLC5KY8 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,890
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 51 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,891
@217,887 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
> Judgment call I guess, and topics likely to cause drama are likely to be deleted.
Considering the nature of this board being random posts and trolling, how do you feel that drama here is bad?
> Judgment call I guess, and topics likely to cause drama are likely to be deleted.
Considering the nature of this board being random posts and trolling, how do you feel that drama here is bad?
Anonymous B double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,892
@217,890 (ltamake !!onnLC5KY8)
> He doesn't make it three times a day.
That is what ghoul forums are for. He can make all that stuff there.
> He doesn't make it three times a day.
That is what ghoul forums are for. He can make all that stuff there.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 34 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,893
Matt, you have GHOUL to post all your trash, beg for money, and flood the board with shtick. Is it too much to ask that you be a respectful poster and not fucking push it? You've only been back for a few hours and how many threads have you already had deleted? Why don't you refrain from making topics entirely for a few days and just post replies.
sluggy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 seconds later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,894
I can't define it, but I know one when I see one.
Smegma !J5VkSmegmA replied with this 15 years ago, 32 seconds later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,896
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,898
Also, if Matt posts something here that he's already posted on GHOUL, it should be summarily deleted.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,899
Why not just ban him
Smegma !J5VkSmegmA replied with this 15 years ago, 2 seconds later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,900
@217,898 (D)
Idk. Two different audiences.
I think it should depend on if it's a quality post or not.
Idk. Two different audiences.
I think it should depend on if it's a quality post or not.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,908
fyi OP isn't DM.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,911
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 58 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,912
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,913
The reason why Minichan gets all these shitposts is because people like Sim go around and whenever someone makes a funny troll thread, he thinks the thread is serious and bans them and then deletes the thread.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,915
@previous (I)
He's never deleted any of my funny troll threads. Maybe you aren't funny, ever think of that?
He's never deleted any of my funny troll threads. Maybe you aren't funny, ever think of that?
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,917
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,918
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,923
@OP
Just about any post I have ever made. Ever.
Just about any post I have ever made. Ever.
K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,930
@217,913 (I)
I have seen the front page, sometimes, have a thread as old as two days. People post less when he or she are terrified of breaking an unwritten, and unknown rule.
Perhaps there should be fewer bans, and more warnings?
I have seen the front page, sometimes, have a thread as old as two days. People post less when he or she are terrified of breaking an unwritten, and unknown rule.
Perhaps there should be fewer bans, and more warnings?
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 16 seconds later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,931
So OP was Leonidas
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 58 seconds later, 59 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,932
@previous (D)
anon I. And maybe, OP, but I think OP is DM. Really I have no idea, they both cry so fucking much.
anon I. And maybe, OP, but I think OP is DM. Really I have no idea, they both cry so fucking much.
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K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 16 seconds later, 59 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #217,933
sluggy replied with this 15 years ago, 58 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #217,934
@217,930 (K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk)
Bullshit. If mods were ban/delete happy I'd have a ton of deleted topics/posts. I have maybe a handful.
Bullshit. If mods were ban/delete happy I'd have a ton of deleted topics/posts. I have maybe a handful.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 19 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #217,935
@217,931 (D)
No, unrelated.
@217,930 (K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk)
I don't ban without warnings (usually multiple) unless it's illegal stuff/requests.
Will lock this in a bit as it's not going anywhere. Please PM the staff if you have questions/concerns, usually someone is in irc too.
No, unrelated.
@217,930 (K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk)
I don't ban without warnings (usually multiple) unless it's illegal stuff/requests.
Will lock this in a bit as it's not going anywhere. Please PM the staff if you have questions/concerns, usually someone is in irc too.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #217,936
IMO:
Shitposts are irrelevant. Off-topic posts are what we should focus on.
Shitposts are irrelevant. Off-topic posts are what we should focus on.
K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 58 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #217,938
@217,935 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
JUST DEFINE A SHITPOST! Is that so difficult? Are we forbidden to discuss the moderating methods of you, and others?
JUST DEFINE A SHITPOST! Is that so difficult? Are we forbidden to discuss the moderating methods of you, and others?
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #217,939
@previous (K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk)
I did, above. And we're discussing it now (or we were). No one was banned for that.
Locking for now, I hope you will PM if you are genuinely concerned with anything.
I did, above. And we're discussing it now (or we were). No one was banned for that.
Locking for now, I hope you will PM if you are genuinely concerned with anything.
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sim !!7GJO8qSrY joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,058
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,070
@previous (sim !!7GJO8qSrY)
How would delineate between pointlessly creating drama and creating drama with a point? How would you define drama?
How would delineate between pointlessly creating drama and creating drama with a point? How would you define drama?
sim !!7GJO8qSrY replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,073
@previous (L)
There are only a few people who constantly try to stir shit up. I'm fine with people trying to fuck shit up, but they shouldn't go and cry when we try to prevent it.
There are only a few people who constantly try to stir shit up. I'm fine with people trying to fuck shit up, but they shouldn't go and cry when we try to prevent it.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,078
@previous (sim !!7GJO8qSrY)
This is fine, as long as holding a particular view is not classed as "trying to stir shit up".
This is fine, as long as holding a particular view is not classed as "trying to stir shit up".
sim !!7GJO8qSrY replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,082
@previous (L)
That's up to the mods/admins to decide. Almost anything can be reversed too. But people like to get riled up rather than solve a simple problem. It's just how it is.
That's up to the mods/admins to decide. Almost anything can be reversed too. But people like to get riled up rather than solve a simple problem. It's just how it is.
Anonymous L replied with this 15 years ago, 19 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,086
@previous (sim !!7GJO8qSrY)
It just seems really open to abuse and ganging up on particular posters.
It just seems really open to abuse and ganging up on particular posters.
sim !!7GJO8qSrY replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,094
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,128
> Perhaps we could all come to a consensus, on what a "shitpost" is.
Posts that are shit.
/thread
Posts that are shit.
/thread
dreamworks !AUIkTW/L46 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,129
jesus christ this is a website
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didnt mean to cite
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didnt mean to cite
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Rogi~ !tiQBrOS.jo joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,155
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,229
this thread /thread
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #218,460
@218,094 (sim !!7GJO8qSrY)
I guess all forms of "government" are open to abuse, but I think openness and transparency not only limits abuse but also calms people from thinking there is abuse when there wasn't really.
Because, let's face it - most of the time there is no abuse, just butthurt. But it can still get out of hand.
I guess all forms of "government" are open to abuse, but I think openness and transparency not only limits abuse but also calms people from thinking there is abuse when there wasn't really.
Because, let's face it - most of the time there is no abuse, just butthurt. But it can still get out of hand.
sim !!7GJO8qSrY replied with this 15 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,688
@previous (R)
Implying anyone believes the openness we already provide. Can open up the logs and be accused of editing them. There is no winning from the drama seekers.
Implying anyone believes the openness we already provide. Can open up the logs and be accused of editing them. There is no winning from the drama seekers.
dreamworks !AUIkTW/L46 replied with this 15 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,905
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,931
@218,688 (sim !!7GJO8qSrY)
Yeah but you have to distinguish between trolls and genuine posters that just annoy you. In general, the mod team seems to spend a lot of time appeasing outright trolls like to4str and DM, while genuine posters who annoy them like Leonidas or Broseph get crapped on.
Just the way it seems.
Yeah but you have to distinguish between trolls and genuine posters that just annoy you. In general, the mod team seems to spend a lot of time appeasing outright trolls like to4str and DM, while genuine posters who annoy them like Leonidas or Broseph get crapped on.
Just the way it seems.
Anonymous S joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,943
@previous (R)
If by "appeasing", you mean "giving unwarranted attention to", you hit the nail on the head.
If by "appeasing", you mean "giving unwarranted attention to", you hit the nail on the head.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,947
@218,905 (dreamworks !AUIkTW/L46)
@218,931 (R)
The whole system loses any validity when the admins and mods troll people themselves...
And yes dreamworks, mod/admin actions should be open. Why not, if there is nothing to hide? Sim speaks of drama seekers, yet the people in charge seek drama themselves.
@218,931 (R)
The whole system loses any validity when the admins and mods troll people themselves...
And yes dreamworks, mod/admin actions should be open. Why not, if there is nothing to hide? Sim speaks of drama seekers, yet the people in charge seek drama themselves.
Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,948
Anonymous V joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,954
@218,947 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
But it would help the drama seekers. I know that they would jump at the chance to be able to scrutinise the mod log and bitch everytime a mod has to take action.
Also: the mods are already held accountable for their actions, sim and r04r can see the mod logs.
But it would help the drama seekers. I know that they would jump at the chance to be able to scrutinise the mod log and bitch everytime a mod has to take action.
Also: the mods are already held accountable for their actions, sim and r04r can see the mod logs.
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Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,964
Ghoul has a visible mod log. It's a neat feature.
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,967
@218,954 (V)
> Also: the government is already held accountable for its actions, the president can see the mod logs.
lol. We need a MC Wikileaks. They need to be accountable to the people! haha
> Also: the government is already held accountable for its actions, the president can see the mod logs.
lol. We need a MC Wikileaks. They need to be accountable to the people! haha
Anonymous R double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,969
Anonymous V replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,972
@218,967 (R)
Poor comparison aside, why do people need to see every action taken by the mods? I don't see any practical benefits to it really.
Poor comparison aside, why do people need to see every action taken by the mods? I don't see any practical benefits to it really.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,976
@218,948 (U)
Mods/admins rarely post with them...
Mods and admins themselves are directly responsible for stirring drama/trolling. I have no respect for any of it anymore.
Mods/admins rarely post with them...
Mods and admins themselves are directly responsible for stirring drama/trolling. I have no respect for any of it anymore.
Anonymous V replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,977
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
> Mods and admins themselves are directly responsible for stirring drama/trolling.
Not really...
> Mods and admins themselves are directly responsible for stirring drama/trolling.
Not really...
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,979
@218,972 (V)
It's really not a poor comparison. People don't trust sim and r04r (rightly or wrongly).
When are mod actions are visible there can be no allegations of secret abuse, of ganging up, of this mod deleted cause he/she hates me, the chilling effect on moderation when their acts are visible &c. many benefits.
It's really not a poor comparison. People don't trust sim and r04r (rightly or wrongly).
When are mod actions are visible there can be no allegations of secret abuse, of ganging up, of this mod deleted cause he/she hates me, the chilling effect on moderation when their acts are visible &c. many benefits.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,980
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,981
Anonymous U double-posted this 15 years ago, 54 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,982
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,983
@218,979 (R)
visible and open moderation was working perfectly, but for some reason the practice was stopped. Not only was it stopped, but things went the opposite direction with anonymods. Things have never been the same since.
visible and open moderation was working perfectly, but for some reason the practice was stopped. Not only was it stopped, but things went the opposite direction with anonymods. Things have never been the same since.
r04r joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,984
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,985
@218,981 (U)
Needless drama-stirring is fine for some, but not for others. Make sense? It really only becomes a problem if you piss off the powers that be, if they piss someone off, not a single fuck is given.
Needless drama-stirring is fine for some, but not for others. Make sense? It really only becomes a problem if you piss off the powers that be, if they piss someone off, not a single fuck is given.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,986
@218,983 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
More people with less power and they're not getting any social stigma for what they're doing. Oh no. How evil.
More people with less power and they're not getting any social stigma for what they're doing. Oh no. How evil.
Anonymous V replied with this 15 years ago, 6 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,987
@218,979 (R)
Allegations of secret abuse or ganging up usually attempts at stirring drama, from what I've seen. If a mod does take action against someone, there's usually a good reason for it, not just because they enjoy banning people.
I get the impression that you don't trust/dislike the mods and admins. They're not bad, corrupt people who are out to get you. They're pretty kewl guys on the whole.
Allegations of secret abuse or ganging up usually attempts at stirring drama, from what I've seen. If a mod does take action against someone, there's usually a good reason for it, not just because they enjoy banning people.
I get the impression that you don't trust/dislike the mods and admins. They're not bad, corrupt people who are out to get you. They're pretty kewl guys on the whole.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 11 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,988
Anonymous V replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,990
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,991
@218,988 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
You claim a fact. What is the reasoning? Also, you know the anonymods are just regular posters like you with a delete & lock button, right? Nothing besides that.
You claim a fact. What is the reasoning? Also, you know the anonymods are just regular posters like you with a delete & lock button, right? Nothing besides that.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,993
@218,986 (r04r)
People are unhappy r04r. This system is so open to bias and abuse... abandoning a system that was working and a system were happy with. Fact is, piss off a mod/admin and suffer the consequences, admins/anonymods piss you off and nothing. Take your problem to IRC and you're essentially ignored 'loldrama', taking things too seriously etc. And why was Mr. Rogers ever banned? So much bullshit going on, people have talked about it behind the scenes forever, but it never gets talked about openly because everybody gets all defensive and pissed off, how dare we question authority. I'm here to make this a better place, not be shit on by some faggot gone anon for the lulz. If you guys can't keep your own staff from doing it, how dare you enforce the rules upon others?
I've always been very vocal and open about anything, I'm the guy who speaks up, but I am not alone in what I say.
People are unhappy r04r. This system is so open to bias and abuse... abandoning a system that was working and a system were happy with. Fact is, piss off a mod/admin and suffer the consequences, admins/anonymods piss you off and nothing. Take your problem to IRC and you're essentially ignored 'loldrama', taking things too seriously etc. And why was Mr. Rogers ever banned? So much bullshit going on, people have talked about it behind the scenes forever, but it never gets talked about openly because everybody gets all defensive and pissed off, how dare we question authority. I'm here to make this a better place, not be shit on by some faggot gone anon for the lulz. If you guys can't keep your own staff from doing it, how dare you enforce the rules upon others?
I've always been very vocal and open about anything, I'm the guy who speaks up, but I am not alone in what I say.
Ks !KansasxqvM double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,994
@218,990 (V)
I think I missed that post. Who are these drama seekers you speak of and is it really that big of a problem? What is the difference between a trolling anon seeking drama, and a poster bitching about mod actions seeking drama? Drama seekers gonna seek drama, almost everyone here seeks drama to some extent, or so I'm told.
I think I missed that post. Who are these drama seekers you speak of and is it really that big of a problem? What is the difference between a trolling anon seeking drama, and a poster bitching about mod actions seeking drama? Drama seekers gonna seek drama, almost everyone here seeks drama to some extent, or so I'm told.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,995
@218,993 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
How is this system more open to bias and abuse than the previous one?
As for your claim of "Staff", see:
> you know the anonymods are just regular posters like you with a delete & lock button, right?
How is this system more open to bias and abuse than the previous one?
As for your claim of "Staff", see:
> you know the anonymods are just regular posters like you with a delete & lock button, right?
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #218,997
@previous (r04r)
> And why was Mr. Rogers ever banned?
?
> How is this system more open to bias and abuse than the previous one?
Everything is done behind closed doors. It could hardly get more secretive. The reason being 'to prevent drama', yet here we are, drama. The only drama that is prevented is drama that bothers mods/admins.
> As for your claim of "Staff", see
The word mod heavily implies staff, volunteers, whatever you want to call it. I have seen with my own eyes posts deleted with no merit whatsoever, or maybe someone just didn't like the post.
inb4 I'm told to stop taking things so seriously or stop whining etc. Round and round we go.
> And why was Mr. Rogers ever banned?
?
> How is this system more open to bias and abuse than the previous one?
Everything is done behind closed doors. It could hardly get more secretive. The reason being 'to prevent drama', yet here we are, drama. The only drama that is prevented is drama that bothers mods/admins.
> As for your claim of "Staff", see
The word mod heavily implies staff, volunteers, whatever you want to call it. I have seen with my own eyes posts deleted with no merit whatsoever, or maybe someone just didn't like the post.
inb4 I'm told to stop taking things so seriously or stop whining etc. Round and round we go.
protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,000
lol
Anonymous Z-1 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,002
I don't think the mods here are bad.pic related
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,005
@218,997 (Ks !KansasxqvM)> And why was Mr. Rogers ever banned?
Causing a boatload of trouble, mostly on IRC. I don't know the specifics as I wasn't the one who was all that involved. Other stuff to do.
> Everything is done behind closed doors. It could hardly get more secretive. The reason being 'to prevent drama', yet here we are, drama. The only drama that is prevented is drama that bothers mods/admins.
Things have always been relatively closed. I don't really see how this is any different.
> The word mod heavily implies staff, volunteers, whatever you want to call it. I have seen with my own eyes posts deleted with no merit whatsoever, or maybe someone just didn't like the post.
If you think any of the moderators are abusing their power then just send an admin PM and name the thread it was in. Deleted replies are displayed inline for the administrators (Screenie in next post).
Also see screenshot for the latest bunch of deleted topics. What a quality bunch they are.
(Edited 35 seconds later.)
r04r double-posted this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,007
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,009
> Everything is done behind closed doors. It could hardly get more secretive. The reason being 'to prevent drama', yet here we are, drama. The only drama that is prevented is drama that bothers mods/admins.
What do you mean by "done behind closed doors"? Matters are handled internally as they have always been.
> The reason being 'to prevent drama', yet here we are, drama.
You do realize you are contributing to it by posting in this thread, correct?
> The only drama that is prevented is drama that bothers mods/admins.
Nope. A lot of what happens is what you don't see. The most recent example would be deleting anti-Matt stuff.
> I have seen with my own eyes posts deleted with no merit whatsoever
So you saw someone delete a post. This is why we don't have a moderation queue. Would it make you feel better if we had that?
> inb4 I'm told to stop taking things so seriously or stop whining etc. Round and round we go.
Hey man, I'm not the one who keeps voluntarily riding that wave.
What do you mean by "done behind closed doors"? Matters are handled internally as they have always been.
> The reason being 'to prevent drama', yet here we are, drama.
You do realize you are contributing to it by posting in this thread, correct?
> The only drama that is prevented is drama that bothers mods/admins.
Nope. A lot of what happens is what you don't see. The most recent example would be deleting anti-Matt stuff.
> I have seen with my own eyes posts deleted with no merit whatsoever
So you saw someone delete a post. This is why we don't have a moderation queue. Would it make you feel better if we had that?
> inb4 I'm told to stop taking things so seriously or stop whining etc. Round and round we go.
Hey man, I'm not the one who keeps voluntarily riding that wave.
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,011
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,016
@previous (S)
Bottom one is the one henn keeps posting, and keeps getting deleted. He also usually posts multiple at a time.
As for the one above that, if you feel adressed by the term faggyfaggot then that's fine, and I'm sorry you didn't get the chance to reply.
Bottom one is the one henn keeps posting, and keeps getting deleted. He also usually posts multiple at a time.
As for the one above that, if you feel adressed by the term faggyfaggot then that's fine, and I'm sorry you didn't get the chance to reply.
Anonymod !faggot joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,018
As for what anonymods can do, this is about it. We can lock threads, delete posts and/or delete images. We can access the reports page to see which posts people think should be deleted or threads that people think should be locked. That's it. No bans, no changing the defcon, no accessing the modlog, no accessing mod PMs, no sending PMs, no accessing profiles/geolocating, etc. We're pretty harmless. Not to mention every post which we delete can be un-deleted by mods/admins in one click.(Edited 2 minutes later.)
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,019
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,020
@219,016 (r04r)
Maybe you should rewrite the rules page. You've got legit posters walking on eggshells here.
Maybe you should rewrite the rules page. You've got legit posters walking on eggshells here.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,021
@219,018 (Anonymod !faggot)
lol at Matt's butthurt reports from when I said he isn't really French and proved it.
lol at Matt's butthurt reports from when I said he isn't really French and proved it.
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,022
Anonymod !faggot replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,023
@previous (U)
Yeah I was going to edit that out, but honestly I don't feel like doing Matt any favors, ever.
Yeah I was going to edit that out, but honestly I don't feel like doing Matt any favors, ever.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 11 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,024
@219,020 (S)
It's currently an anontalk copy-paste. The only real rule is to use your common sense. If a few other human beings feel like it's inappropiate for the enviroment it goes.
It's currently an anontalk copy-paste. The only real rule is to use your common sense. If a few other human beings feel like it's inappropiate for the enviroment it goes.
Anonymous Z-3 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 10 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,025
We're never going to settle this.
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,026
@219,022 (U)
I'm not talking about people's attitudes. If somebody is going to troll, nothing short of a ban will stop them. That I understand. But when some prolific poster is banned, people should at least know what rule he or she broke. Just point out the rule.
I can relate to whoever banned Matt. He posted creepy pedo shit and was caught doing it.
I'm not talking about people's attitudes. If somebody is going to troll, nothing short of a ban will stop them. That I understand. But when some prolific poster is banned, people should at least know what rule he or she broke. Just point out the rule.
I can relate to whoever banned Matt. He posted creepy pedo shit and was caught doing it.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,027
@previous (S)
> But when some prolific poster is banned, people should at least know what rule he or she broke. Just point out the rule.
As a FYI, I don't know any forum that does this.
> But when some prolific poster is banned, people should at least know what rule he or she broke. Just point out the rule.
As a FYI, I don't know any forum that does this.
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,028
@previous (r04r)
> As a FYI, I don't know any forum that does this.
At least 4chan says "USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST". The point gets across pretty fast there.
> As a FYI, I don't know any forum that does this.
At least 4chan says "USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST". The point gets across pretty fast there.
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,030
@previous (S)
Or it causes a gigantic shitstorm because people go full retard and start saying "sup mods" "posting in a mod thread" or constantly repost the same banned shit. Ponies being a recent example.
Or it causes a gigantic shitstorm because people go full retard and start saying "sup mods" "posting in a mod thread" or constantly repost the same banned shit. Ponies being a recent example.
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,032
@previous (U)
People here have figured out what pisses off the mods. They are called trolls. Clearly, they haven't been gotten rid of. Legit posters will heed the warning of "USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST" though.
People here have figured out what pisses off the mods. They are called trolls. Clearly, they haven't been gotten rid of. Legit posters will heed the warning of "USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST" though.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,034
@219,028 (S)
4chan also automatically deletes anything older than a few hours. I feel like that's one of the majo reasons for differences in policies.
Besides that, I don't think any prolific posters here get banned for longer than warning times at all, besides for a few known exceptions (Lol DM).
4chan also automatically deletes anything older than a few hours. I feel like that's one of the majo reasons for differences in policies.
Besides that, I don't think any prolific posters here get banned for longer than warning times at all, besides for a few known exceptions (Lol DM).
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 32 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,035
!VoCaLoNunI joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,038
@219,032 (S)
You're implying things.
@OP
If it contains â„¢, the letter a as a plural, parenthetical citations on pronunciation, anything relating to Rwanda, anything related to Lynne B. Goldstein, and anything made in face-in-hole or whatever it's called.
You're implying things.
@OP
If it contains â„¢, the letter a as a plural, parenthetical citations on pronunciation, anything relating to Rwanda, anything related to Lynne B. Goldstein, and anything made in face-in-hole or whatever it's called.
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,042
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,045
@219,038 (!VoCaLoNunI)
> If it contains â„¢, the letter a as a plural, parenthetical citations on pronunciation, anything relating to Rwanda, anything related to Lynne B. Goldstein, and anything made in face-in-hole or whatever it's called.
Don't forget lorazepam, red wine, or digestive functions.
> If it contains â„¢, the letter a as a plural, parenthetical citations on pronunciation, anything relating to Rwanda, anything related to Lynne B. Goldstein, and anything made in face-in-hole or whatever it's called.
Don't forget lorazepam, red wine, or digestive functions.
!VoCaLoNunI replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,048
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,049
Anonymous Z-5 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,054
Why not just have modlogs like Ghoul does but don't have names associated with the mod actions?
It doesn't put pressure on individual mods but rather the mod team in general, it doesn't create drama on an individual level but rather just issues about policy that can be solved much more easily without the unnecessary personality conflicts.
I know that didn't make much sense but whatever I'm not exactly completely here at the moment...
It doesn't put pressure on individual mods but rather the mod team in general, it doesn't create drama on an individual level but rather just issues about policy that can be solved much more easily without the unnecessary personality conflicts.
I know that didn't make much sense but whatever I'm not exactly completely here at the moment...
(Edited 34 seconds later.)
Anonymous Z-6 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,055
@218,993 (Ks !KansasxqvM)> People are unhappy r04r. This system is so open to bias and abuse... abandoning a system that was working and a system were happy with. Fact is, piss off a mod/admin and suffer the consequences, admins/anonymods piss you off and nothing.
That sounds just like what happened on another forum. Incidentally, it caused people to flee here.
Anonymous Z-5 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,058
@previous (Z-6)
> That sounds just like what happened on another forum. Incidentally, it caused people to flee here.
We are no where near that level yet lol
> That sounds just like what happened on another forum. Incidentally, it caused people to flee here.
We are no where near that level yet lol
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,059
@previous (Z-5)
We're getting there fast.
P.S. Get to know every poster in this thread personally, 'cause they're probably gonna be banned.
We're getting there fast.
P.S. Get to know every poster in this thread personally, 'cause they're probably gonna be banned.
Anonymous Z-5 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,062
Anonymous Z-7 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,066
@219,059 (Z-6)
> We're getting there fast.
>
> P.S. Get to know every poster in this thread personally, 'cause they're probably gonna be banned.
no
> We're getting there fast.
>
> P.S. Get to know every poster in this thread personally, 'cause they're probably gonna be banned.
no
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,068
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 45 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,070
@219,054 (Z-5)
That sounds like a very lofty purpose and the only time I've ever seen anyone say the modlog on GHOUL was useful was to start drama about pointless shit.
That sounds like a very lofty purpose and the only time I've ever seen anyone say the modlog on GHOUL was useful was to start drama about pointless shit.
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,071
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 20 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,072
@219,054 (Z-5)
Thought about it, but that still wouldn't show what was deleted. The only thing it would is either make people curious which is just as bad as the current situation, or upset people because its too much/little/green/brown/pancake.
Thought about it, but that still wouldn't show what was deleted. The only thing it would is either make people curious which is just as bad as the current situation, or upset people because its too much/little/green/brown/pancake.
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,074
@previous (r04r)
It would certainly make people crazy with posting screenshots of their trashcans, I imagine.
It would certainly make people crazy with posting screenshots of their trashcans, I imagine.
Anonymous Z-5 replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,075
@219,072 (r04r)
Why not just require mods/anonymods to enter a reason that would be shown alongside the mod action?
@219,070 (U)
Well, that site is a POS anyway and DM mod abused constantly and no one gave a fuck so can't really use that as an example.
Why not just require mods/anonymods to enter a reason that would be shown alongside the mod action?
@219,070 (U)
Well, that site is a POS anyway and DM mod abused constantly and no one gave a fuck so can't really use that as an example.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Anonymous Z-7 replied with this 15 years ago, 20 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,076
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 31 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,077
@219,068 (r04r)
Wow. What will you do next, drop dox on me? Release my IP so someone can WinNuke me?
Get the sand out of your vagina.
Wow. What will you do next, drop dox on me? Release my IP so someone can WinNuke me?
Get the sand out of your vagina.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,078
@219,075 (Z-5)
We do enter ban reasons, but currently no delete reasons. It could be time-consuming to have to do that when bots come through.
(this is cccuuunnttt trying out new names btw)
We do enter ban reasons, but currently no delete reasons. It could be time-consuming to have to do that when bots come through.
(this is cccuuunnttt trying out new names btw)
(Edited 28 seconds later.)
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 48 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,079
@219,075 (Z-5)
Because then people would start complaining about the truthfulness/accurateness of those reasons. It'd also be really fucking annoying when trying to work effiecently if there's spam across multiple threads.
Because then people would start complaining about the truthfulness/accurateness of those reasons. It'd also be really fucking annoying when trying to work effiecently if there's spam across multiple threads.
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,080
Anonymous Z-5 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,081
@219,078 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
Have little tick boxes like Shitpost, troll, drama, spam, inappropriate image, offtopic, other [insert reason here] right next to the delete button ???
just an idea
Have little tick boxes like Shitpost, troll, drama, spam, inappropriate image, offtopic, other [insert reason here] right next to the delete button ???
just an idea
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 41 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,082
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,083
@previous (r04r)
Will you create a webcam so everybody can see your eyeballs looking at every reply I make?
Will you create a webcam so everybody can see your eyeballs looking at every reply I make?
Anonymous Z-5 replied with this 15 years ago, 10 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,084
@219,079 (r04r)
well,
> Because then people would start complaining about the truthfulness/accurateness of those reasons
people are going to complain anyway right? why not just kill this issue and end it there and see how it goes, i know for you though you have to code it and what not so it might be unreasonable for you to make a feature if you feel it would be useless but im just throwing ideas around.
i really dont care about shitposts and the rest of that nonsense
well,
> Because then people would start complaining about the truthfulness/accurateness of those reasons
people are going to complain anyway right? why not just kill this issue and end it there and see how it goes, i know for you though you have to code it and what not so it might be unreasonable for you to make a feature if you feel it would be useless but im just throwing ideas around.
i really dont care about shitposts and the rest of that nonsense
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 6 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,085
@219,081 (Z-5)
There's really no space for that. It's an idea I've been toying with, though. We'll see.
There's really no space for that. It's an idea I've been toying with, though. We'll see.
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,089
@219,081 (Z-5)
Is the purpose for internal tracking or to show the board? Internally, we already communicate with each other daily about mod actions.
For the board, I can agree with bans being more transparent, but individual deletions are kind of overkill imo. Especially because the point is often to make a troll post disappear before anyone takes the bait. I really haven't seen a problem with "good" posts being deleted in quite a long time, actually.
Is the purpose for internal tracking or to show the board? Internally, we already communicate with each other daily about mod actions.
For the board, I can agree with bans being more transparent, but individual deletions are kind of overkill imo. Especially because the point is often to make a troll post disappear before anyone takes the bait. I really haven't seen a problem with "good" posts being deleted in quite a long time, actually.
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 11 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,090
@219,085 (r04r)
Whoever wrote that public mod log put that thing together. Just ask somebody if they could make a plugin.
Whoever wrote that public mod log put that thing together. Just ask somebody if they could make a plugin.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,091
@219,084 (Z-5)
They are. They're complaining now, they'll complain later. If we keep putting in new features/stuff/extra time for each of the issues we're never done. Then there's also that I've been busy with programming things that are actually beneficial to my RL so that's where my coding time is going to currently.
They are. They're complaining now, they'll complain later. If we keep putting in new features/stuff/extra time for each of the issues we're never done. Then there's also that I've been busy with programming things that are actually beneficial to my RL so that's where my coding time is going to currently.
Anonymous Z-5 replied with this 15 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,092
@219,089 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
> Is the purpose for internal tracking or to show the board? Internally, we already communicate with each other daily about mod actions.
>
> For the board, I can agree with bans being more transparent, but individual deletions are kind of overkill imo. Especially because the point is often to make a troll post disappear before anyone takes the bait. I really haven't seen a problem with "good" posts being deleted in quite a long time, actually.
i thought this topic was about making moderation more transparent after reading through Ks' posts then again i just skimmed around.
if these features were to be added they would need to be public otherwise they are just useless.
> Is the purpose for internal tracking or to show the board? Internally, we already communicate with each other daily about mod actions.
>
> For the board, I can agree with bans being more transparent, but individual deletions are kind of overkill imo. Especially because the point is often to make a troll post disappear before anyone takes the bait. I really haven't seen a problem with "good" posts being deleted in quite a long time, actually.
i thought this topic was about making moderation more transparent after reading through Ks' posts then again i just skimmed around.
if these features were to be added they would need to be public otherwise they are just useless.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,093
@219,090 (Z-6)
What? I was talking about those checkboxes. There are no ban reasons in the ghoul modlog.
What? I was talking about those checkboxes. There are no ban reasons in the ghoul modlog.
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,094
@219,089 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
Good point, actually. It would be annoying as fuck to constantly see new topics of "Why was #230,210 deleted?" Shit like that happens enough already as it is.
Good point, actually. It would be annoying as fuck to constantly see new topics of "Why was #230,210 deleted?" Shit like that happens enough already as it is.
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,098
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,099
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,101
@219,092 (Z-5)
Oh okay, I kinda lost what's going on here.
I really haven't seen that many concerns regarding individual posts being deleted, I know I often communicate with the poster about why something was deleted and it's rarely an issue. But people do ask about bans already so I can see why that could be useful to make more visible.
We delete enough spam on a daily basis that I think logging/showing deletions would just cause more totally pointless drama than anything.
Oh okay, I kinda lost what's going on here.
I really haven't seen that many concerns regarding individual posts being deleted, I know I often communicate with the poster about why something was deleted and it's rarely an issue. But people do ask about bans already so I can see why that could be useful to make more visible.
We delete enough spam on a daily basis that I think logging/showing deletions would just cause more totally pointless drama than anything.
(Edited 21 seconds later.)
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,106
@219,099 (r04r)
Like here, where people program the board code together: https://github.com/ltamake/ATBBS2
Like here, where people program the board code together: https://github.com/ltamake/ATBBS2
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,108
@219,101 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
I don't think anyone is arguing against deleting spam, and I agree its not important to bring up. I did bring a post up in IRC that was deleted ITT
http://minichan.org/topic/12077
There was absolutely no reason to delete the post, it was a post by Mr. Rogers. And whoever was Anonymous C in that thread should be held accountable, not only for deleting that post (if they did), but also for trolling like a motherfucker.
I don't think anyone is arguing against deleting spam, and I agree its not important to bring up. I did bring a post up in IRC that was deleted ITT
http://minichan.org/topic/12077
There was absolutely no reason to delete the post, it was a post by Mr. Rogers. And whoever was Anonymous C in that thread should be held accountable, not only for deleting that post (if they did), but also for trolling like a motherfucker.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 11 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,109
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,113
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,115
@219,108 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
It wasn't that Anonymous C. That person hasn't done a thing in that thread besides post in it. And even if they would ignore your reports, the rest of the people would still be there.
The rogers post was one caught in the cross fire, which I regret (That it happened. It wasn't done by me, as I said I have been distant from it all), but everyone makes mistakes.
It wasn't that Anonymous C. That person hasn't done a thing in that thread besides post in it. And even if they would ignore your reports, the rest of the people would still be there.
The rogers post was one caught in the cross fire, which I regret (That it happened. It wasn't done by me, as I said I have been distant from it all), but everyone makes mistakes.
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 9 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,116
@219,108 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
This was deleted too: http://minichan.org/topic/12167
It was lively! http://minichan.org/trivia_for_topic/12167
Why delete? :-(
This was deleted too: http://minichan.org/topic/12167
It was lively! http://minichan.org/trivia_for_topic/12167
Why delete? :-(
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,117
@219,108 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
> not only for deleting that post (if they did)
Did not happen.
> but also for trolling like a motherfucker.
Oh come on, man, what were you expecting to happen? Leave your personal problems out of this.
> not only for deleting that post (if they did)
Did not happen.
> but also for trolling like a motherfucker.
Oh come on, man, what were you expecting to happen? Leave your personal problems out of this.
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,119
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,120
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 1 second later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,121
@219,116 (Z-6)
It was someone impersonating DM just to cause shit. Only useful/genuine reply was someone apparently unhappy with DM for starting a shit-topic. No humor value or further conversation likely, so deleted.
It was someone impersonating DM just to cause shit. Only useful/genuine reply was someone apparently unhappy with DM for starting a shit-topic. No humor value or further conversation likely, so deleted.
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,125
@previous (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
It may have been funny. You didn't give the thread a chance. Are you the humor police now?
It may have been funny. You didn't give the thread a chance. Are you the humor police now?
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,126
@previous (Z-6)
see
@219,024 (r04r)
> The only real rule is to use your common sense. If a few other human beings feel like it's inappropiate for the enviroment it goes.
yes, yes we are.
see
@219,024 (r04r)
> The only real rule is to use your common sense. If a few other human beings feel like it's inappropiate for the enviroment it goes.
yes, yes we are.
(Edited 17 seconds later.)
Anonymous S replied with this 15 years ago, 6 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,127
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,129
@219,117 (U)
I wan't expecting to be trolled by admins/mods. Is that too much too ask? I get enough shit from 'trolling' anons, it gets fucking old, its been fucking old. And yet, the problem is always somehow turned around on me. Other people start shit, but I'm the problem. Makes sense.
> Leave your personal problems out of this.
So don't bring up problems? Why are we even having this discussion then?
@219,115 (r04r)
I would expect better from the people in charge, or the people were chose by the people in charge. You can't uphold any rules if you don't hold everyone by the same standards. Like I keep saying, its all fun and games until the wrong people have a problem with it. If I have a problem, I can just get fucked.
I wan't expecting to be trolled by admins/mods. Is that too much too ask? I get enough shit from 'trolling' anons, it gets fucking old, its been fucking old. And yet, the problem is always somehow turned around on me. Other people start shit, but I'm the problem. Makes sense.
> Leave your personal problems out of this.
So don't bring up problems? Why are we even having this discussion then?
@219,115 (r04r)
I would expect better from the people in charge, or the people were chose by the people in charge. You can't uphold any rules if you don't hold everyone by the same standards. Like I keep saying, its all fun and games until the wrong people have a problem with it. If I have a problem, I can just get fucked.
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,132
My common sense says the topic which I posted was a tad funny.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,134
@219,129 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Mmhm. I've put enough time and effort in trying to deal with your problem now, and the only feeling I have now is that you're just whining.
Good night.
Mmhm. I've put enough time and effort in trying to deal with your problem now, and the only feeling I have now is that you're just whining.
Good night.
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 30 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,137
@219,129 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Dude... Let. It. Go.
This board has never claimed to be 100% serious all the time. You're just getting stuck on the very little things. It's trivial shit you're getting worked up over.
Dude... Let. It. Go.
This board has never claimed to be 100% serious all the time. You're just getting stuck on the very little things. It's trivial shit you're getting worked up over.
(Edited 9 minutes later.)
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,138
@219,134 (r04r)
> Like I keep saying, its all fun and games until the wrong people have a problem with it. If I have a problem, I can just get fucked.
Thanks for clearing that up.
> Like I keep saying, its all fun and games until the wrong people have a problem with it. If I have a problem, I can just get fucked.
Thanks for clearing that up.
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,146
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
> Like I keep saying, its all fun and games until the wrong people have a problem with it. If I have a problem, I can just get fucked.
> Have a problem with...
I don't have a problem with anything
> ...it
What is it, exactly?
> If I have a problem
I'm not sure what your problem is, but so far the only bit that actually seems to be close to the truth is that a post by rogers was deleted.
> I can just get fucked.
And you're the only one who's using that terminology.
Anyway, you should look up what time it is in Holland, just for fun.
> Like I keep saying, its all fun and games until the wrong people have a problem with it. If I have a problem, I can just get fucked.
> Have a problem with...
I don't have a problem with anything
> ...it
What is it, exactly?
> If I have a problem
I'm not sure what your problem is, but so far the only bit that actually seems to be close to the truth is that a post by rogers was deleted.
> I can just get fucked.
And you're the only one who's using that terminology.
Anyway, you should look up what time it is in Holland, just for fun.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,154
@previous (r04r)
I didn't think about it being late over there or anything. We can continue this discussion at another time, or not at all. Either way is good, because we're clearly both wasting our time.
I didn't think about it being late over there or anything. We can continue this discussion at another time, or not at all. Either way is good, because we're clearly both wasting our time.
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,157
@219,146 (r04r)
> > I can just get fucked.
> And you're the only one who's using that terminology.
>
> Anyway, you should look up what time it is in Holland, just for fun.
I never understood that phrase. "Get fucked", is that supposed to be an insult?
> > I can just get fucked.
> And you're the only one who's using that terminology.
>
> Anyway, you should look up what time it is in Holland, just for fun.
I never understood that phrase. "Get fucked", is that supposed to be an insult?
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,160
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,161
@previous (U)
It's a poor way of saying that.
"Get" = receive. "Fucked" = a state of post orgasm.
I dislike your opinion, therefore I recommend that you be pleasured until you reach orgasm!
It's a poor way of saying that.
"Get" = receive. "Fucked" = a state of post orgasm.
I dislike your opinion, therefore I recommend that you be pleasured until you reach orgasm!
Anonymous Z-3 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,162
K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 54 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,164
I am more confused than ever.
Anonymous U replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,167
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,169
Anonymous Z-8 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 24 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,171
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 15 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,173
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 52 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,212
Anonymous R double-posted this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,217
@218,987 (V)
If there's a good reason for it there would be no reason for a mod to be afraid of providing the reason, and having their name attached to the particular action.
If there's a good reason for it there would be no reason for a mod to be afraid of providing the reason, and having their name attached to the particular action.
Anonymous R triple-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,220
@219,005 (r04r)
All the more reason for you not to hide it.
People think you're hiding stuff because it's bad. Stop hiding stuff and they'll know it's not bad.
All the more reason for you not to hide it.
People think you're hiding stuff because it's bad. Stop hiding stuff and they'll know it's not bad.
Anonymous R quadruple-posted this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,228
@219,009 (U)
> What do you mean by "done behind closed doors"? Matters are handled internally as they have always been.
implying posters are "external". This is an improper attitude.
> You do realize you are contributing to it by posting in this thread, correct?
implying drama is bad. There is drama because people are unhappy with the moderation. Two solutions: extend the moderation policies that people have trouble with and ban drama posters, causing yet more drama, or change the moderation practices and end the drama.
> Nope. A lot of what happens is what you don't see. The most recent example would be deleting anti-Matt stuff.
That's what he's complaining about. Secret moderation. Yet you hold this up as an paragon? You don't get it, do you...
> So you saw someone delete a post. This is why we don't have a moderation queue. Would it make you feel better if we had that?
No, he would prefer that mods stopped deleting posts without reason. Are you stupid or trolling?
> Hey man, I'm not the one who keeps voluntarily riding that wave.
i.e. if you don't like it, LEAVE
I hope you're not a mod. You've been a real jerk, whereas all the underlined mods/admin (sim/r04r,cunt) have been very understanding and polite - another argument against anonymods?
> What do you mean by "done behind closed doors"? Matters are handled internally as they have always been.
implying posters are "external". This is an improper attitude.
> You do realize you are contributing to it by posting in this thread, correct?
implying drama is bad. There is drama because people are unhappy with the moderation. Two solutions: extend the moderation policies that people have trouble with and ban drama posters, causing yet more drama, or change the moderation practices and end the drama.
> Nope. A lot of what happens is what you don't see. The most recent example would be deleting anti-Matt stuff.
That's what he's complaining about. Secret moderation. Yet you hold this up as an paragon? You don't get it, do you...
> So you saw someone delete a post. This is why we don't have a moderation queue. Would it make you feel better if we had that?
No, he would prefer that mods stopped deleting posts without reason. Are you stupid or trolling?
> Hey man, I'm not the one who keeps voluntarily riding that wave.
i.e. if you don't like it, LEAVE
I hope you're not a mod. You've been a real jerk, whereas all the underlined mods/admin (sim/r04r,cunt) have been very understanding and polite - another argument against anonymods?
Anonymous R quintuple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,229
Anonymous R sextuple-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,230
Anonymous R septuple-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #219,233
@219,078 (marvin !H0G.H/BnJg)
The ban reasons are never serious anyway... what's the point? Does anyone still use bots against this site?
The ban reasons are never serious anyway... what's the point? Does anyone still use bots against this site?
Rogi~ !tiQBrOS.jo replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #219,362
@219,005 (r04r)
> > And why was Mr. Rogers ever banned?
> Causing a boatload of trouble, mostly on IRC.
Okay, let me chime in and tell you how much bullshit that is. I haven't been in the IRC in possibly more than a month. Kinda really pisses me off that you'd say that when there is no fucking backing that this happened. I expect this out of other people, not you.
/rage butthurt arg mad
> > And why was Mr. Rogers ever banned?
> Causing a boatload of trouble, mostly on IRC.
Okay, let me chime in and tell you how much bullshit that is. I haven't been in the IRC in possibly more than a month. Kinda really pisses me off that you'd say that when there is no fucking backing that this happened. I expect this out of other people, not you.
/rage butthurt arg mad
r04r replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #219,468
@219,230 (R)
I know. Your point? "A few" applies to multiple people.
@previous (Rogi~ !tiQBrOS.jo)
> I don't know the specifics as I wasn't the one who was all that involved.
I know. Your point? "A few" applies to multiple people.
@previous (Rogi~ !tiQBrOS.jo)
> I don't know the specifics as I wasn't the one who was all that involved.
K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #219,470
K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 18 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,142
So, I will never learn why he was banned, it seems.
Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,216
> seriously discussing forms of governance
> on a site with like 10 users
/unwarranted_sense_of_self_importance
> on a site with like 10 users
/unwarranted_sense_of_self_importance
The Board replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,264
> Implying modslogs here and on other sites are really unedited.
This reminds of Wikipedia, where most actions are logged, but if people with enough privileges want, they can make that disappear. The same will apply here.
Also more than half of the deletes done here are mods deleting their own replies rather than editing them. Which will cause a shit storm in the "open" logs as people will assume it's other stuff being deleted. It will just not work. People will watch the modlogs like a hawk and make a topic for each delete they deem isn't right.
Let me break it down; we run the site how we run it, don't like it fine, debate and discuss and we'll listen to you. That doesn't mean we will change things because someone wants it.
As for these constant SRSBSNS people we seem to have, go on and move to a different website. If you don't trust the site admins, then why the fuck stay here? Really. Minichan is for Minichanners. Not for whiny faggots.
As for the drama stirrers that are being banned and then go on IRC/MSN/Skype/etc to baww to as many people as possible are proving the point to why they're banned; only wanting drama/attention.
This reminds of Wikipedia, where most actions are logged, but if people with enough privileges want, they can make that disappear. The same will apply here.
Also more than half of the deletes done here are mods deleting their own replies rather than editing them. Which will cause a shit storm in the "open" logs as people will assume it's other stuff being deleted. It will just not work. People will watch the modlogs like a hawk and make a topic for each delete they deem isn't right.
Let me break it down; we run the site how we run it, don't like it fine, debate and discuss and we'll listen to you. That doesn't mean we will change things because someone wants it.
As for these constant SRSBSNS people we seem to have, go on and move to a different website. If you don't trust the site admins, then why the fuck stay here? Really. Minichan is for Minichanners. Not for whiny faggots.
As for the drama stirrers that are being banned and then go on IRC/MSN/Skype/etc to baww to as many people as possible are proving the point to why they're banned; only wanting drama/attention.
(Edited 3 minutes later.)
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,265
@previous (The Board)
You should have let this topic die. Though further confirmation of the 'don't question us' attitude is certainly helpful.
I know you had good intentions. ily
You should have let this topic die. Though further confirmation of the 'don't question us' attitude is certainly helpful.
I know you had good intentions. ily
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,266
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Maybe you should lighten up, chill out and think. And stop being used by trolls and attention-whoring idiots like they do now. You do exactly as they expect, and that way you contribute just as much if not more to the drama than the trolls and attention seeking faggots. Rise above it.
I also fail to see where I confirm any "don't question us" attitude. Anyone can come by on IRC and talk to us. Albeit timing is important. Don't expect anything if you joint at 2AM European time when we're all drunk, stoned and doing drugs.
I think you're too serious for this site and/or just being used by trolls, you're their puppet and you don't even realize it fully. It's funny and sad.
Maybe you should lighten up, chill out and think. And stop being used by trolls and attention-whoring idiots like they do now. You do exactly as they expect, and that way you contribute just as much if not more to the drama than the trolls and attention seeking faggots. Rise above it.
I also fail to see where I confirm any "don't question us" attitude. Anyone can come by on IRC and talk to us. Albeit timing is important. Don't expect anything if you joint at 2AM European time when we're all drunk, stoned and doing drugs.
I think you're too serious for this site and/or just being used by trolls, you're their puppet and you don't even realize it fully. It's funny and sad.
The Editor !FuckWtfW8M joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,268
@previous (M)
> Don't expect anything if you joint
> when we're all drunk, stoned and doing drugs
Dohohoho~
> Don't expect anything if you joint
> when we're all drunk, stoned and doing drugs
Dohohoho~
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,269
@220,266 (M)
You are aware that these problems drive away normal people right? You are part of the problem. I don't like your attitude, I don't like the way you're handling the situation, blaming legit users when drama-seekers started the problem is bass ackwards.
tl;dr you are full of shit. Next time at least have the decency to say what you mean with your name on.
Your explanation, again is that I am the problem.
Let me tell you something. Fuck you.
You are aware that these problems drive away normal people right? You are part of the problem. I don't like your attitude, I don't like the way you're handling the situation, blaming legit users when drama-seekers started the problem is bass ackwards.
tl;dr you are full of shit. Next time at least have the decency to say what you mean with your name on.
Your explanation, again is that I am the problem.
Let me tell you something. Fuck you.
Anonymous V replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,270
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
But you are being a problem. We can't have a discussion about moderation without you rabidly insisting that moderation is completely broken and needs to be majorly changed, regardless of the current system.
But you are being a problem. We can't have a discussion about moderation without you rabidly insisting that moderation is completely broken and needs to be majorly changed, regardless of the current system.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Anonymous Z-11 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,272
@220,266 (M)
> Maybe you should lighten up, chill out and think.
Wise words. Perhaps you should heed them.
> Maybe you should lighten up, chill out and think.
Wise words. Perhaps you should heed them.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,274
@220,270 (V)
> blaming legit users when drama-seekers started the problem is bass ackwards.
Conveniently ignoring the point I keep making over and over again.
> blaming legit users when drama-seekers started the problem is bass ackwards.
Conveniently ignoring the point I keep making over and over again.
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,277
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,278
Ks !KansasxqvM double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,279
@220,277 (M)
> blaming legit users when drama-seekers started the problem is bass ackwards.
Answer.
> Well go on then, and fuck off to another site.
Makes sense.
> blaming legit users when drama-seekers started the problem is bass ackwards.
Answer.
> Well go on then, and fuck off to another site.
Makes sense.
Anonymous V replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,283
@220,274 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Repeating that you are 'legit user' over and over again doesn't make you immune to criticism. And it's very ironic that you accused me of ignoring your point while ignoring mine.
Repeating that you are 'legit user' over and over again doesn't make you immune to criticism. And it's very ironic that you accused me of ignoring your point while ignoring mine.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,285
Anonymous V replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,286
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
I just did? The first half of my post was addressing the point you made in the post I cited.
I'm tired of feeding you now. Have fun whining.
I just did? The first half of my post was addressing the point you made in the post I cited.
I'm tired of feeding you now. Have fun whining.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 second later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,287
K.R.B. !axCZ0i8BCk (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,288
@220,277 (M)
I do not take everything here seriously, and you should not, either. Let's just have fun, okay? This should be a friendly place.
I do not take everything here seriously, and you should not, either. Let's just have fun, okay? This should be a friendly place.
Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,297
@220,216 (Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw)
> > seriously discussing forms of governance
> > on a site with like 10 users
>
> /unwarranted_sense_of_self_importance
quoting myself because autistic virgins are still raging about shit that will never matter
> > seriously discussing forms of governance
> > on a site with like 10 users
>
> /unwarranted_sense_of_self_importance
quoting myself because autistic virgins are still raging about shit that will never matter
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 23 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,310
Ks !KansasxqvM double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,313
@220,297 (Nickalollyoff !Aw0s40dyqw)
You make a good point about the small user base. But this is all so similar to what went down at T4C, only there will be no exodus this time. The irony is... delicious.
You make a good point about the small user base. But this is all so similar to what went down at T4C, only there will be no exodus this time. The irony is... delicious.
Anonymous V replied with this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,314
marvin !H0G.H/BnJg replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #220,315
I think we've made a reasonable effort to reply to concerns here, this is just devolving so I'm locking (again) at this point. Please PM us if there's a concern you'd still like to discuss.