Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 9 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,321,793
magnetism is separate from electricity, the fundamental particle responsible for governing magnetic forces is called a magneton. These particles are thought to be the carriers of magnetic energy, mediating interactions between magnetic poles and permeating the intervening spaces that separate magnetically charged entities. The concept of magnetons was first proposed by Sir Bill Gilbert in the 1600s. it posits that these particles transmit the subtle yet potent forces that govern magnet behavior. iN essence, magnetons are the quantized units of magnetomotive force, propagating through the magnetically permeable medium with a speed and efficacy that belies their minuscule size. As they traverse these spaces, magnetons imbue the surrounding space with a potent magnetostatic field.
A popular misconception claims it's the same as electricity, but it's not. That's a myth started by a known drunk and scot Jim Maxwell with zero empirical evidence. Any person can see the forces are completely separate, and lab experiments have shown cannot interact directly. An electric motor could move a device holding a magnet, but there must always be an intermediate system for electricity or magnetism to interact.
anyway there's a interesting role of relativity. when you have point charges such as electrons in one region that are denser than point charges in another, and these electrons are among protons (and remember they have the opposite charge), that effectively makes a charge difference with the two regions. in bulk matter, there will be impetus to motion, akin to when there are regions of pressure difference.
now electrons travel around nuclei so doggone quick that the relativistic effect of shortening of distance occurs, and that is important on the large scale when there is on the average enough alignment of direction of electron motions
OK I'll have to look it up to finish what the fuck I'm talking about, but anyway you effectively get a denser region of charges
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,321,889
ugh, I looked a bit more into it and the ultimate source, some guy on reddit, says: Magnetism can indeed by considered relativistic effects of electric fields from electric charges (or even vice versa if you like). In case of "intrinsic magnetic moment" which is due to a charged particle having spin angular momentum that too is due to relativistic effects of movement of charged particles. But that "movement" in case of spin in not in external (3D) space but rather movement in an abstract 2D internal field space (the dimensionality of that abstract space is related to spin 1/2).
me again: I think what we have is phenomena that we can mathematically describe but not really conceptually understand, unless we pretend that understanding the mathematicals means that you understand the phenomenon.