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Topic: "There's no state where it's legal to kill a baby after it's born"
Anonymous A started this discussion 9 months ago#120,684
A fact-check said by someone who believes women should be excused for killing newborn infants because of post-partum depression, as if these same mothers didn't have the option to put the kid up for adoption.
You can just drop a baby off at a hospital, no questions asked. Yet liberals will defend the murder of these born children. Shame.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 months ago, 8 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,320,787
@1,320,779 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
If it's technically illegal, but the mother is not prosecuted, then in practice it is legal.
Same for perjury. The law makes falsely reporting a crime itself a crime. When women are caught trying to destroy a man's entire life (NOT just lacking evidence, but proven to be lying) they are given a pass. The reasoning given is that this would discourage real rape victims, a nonsensical justification because real rape victims wont be caught lying, at worst they can't back up their accusation.
Harris said Roe v. Wade didn't allow third trimester abortions during the debate. That is also a lie. Nine states allowed abortions through the third trimester.
Why should someone vote for Harris when all 9 states have publicly available laws on the books anyone can verify, and see that she is lying? A 9 month old fetus is barely distinguishable from a born baby, and will survive if taken out of the womb.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 months ago, 19 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,320,789
@1,320,782 (D)
I can cite the laws allowing abortions through the third trimester, which Harris lied about during the debate. Wikipedia
The states letting babies be murdered after birth do not write it down in the law books. They simply refuse to prosecute when it happens.
This isn't a gotcha. Weed is illegal in the Netherlands, and Pedophilia is illegal in Thailand. We both know that what's on the books is not a reflection of the actual law as it's enforced.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 months ago, 5 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,320,796
@1,320,791 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Once again, you repeat lies, get called out WITH SOURCES and then resort to name-calling. This is how you act in every thread. Why do you even bother joining the discussion if you revert back to juvenile behavior?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 months ago, 1 minute later, 22 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,320,801
@1,320,798 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Can you provide a source that says terminating it is illegal in any of the 9 states listed in the article?
If not, you're making it up. The law clearly states that abortion at any stage of pregnancy is legal in those states.
Even if what you are saying now about "removing" it and seeing what happens, Harris lied when she said third trimester abortions aren't legal. Many states, including her running mate's state have explicitly allowed in.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 9 months ago, 2 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,320,817
@previous (A)
You didn't show a source that it's legal in any state to kill a baby after its born. You dont understand simple concepts and you look stupid
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 months ago, 1 second later, 35 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,320,830
@1,320,825 (B)
A situation that a presidential candidate has every right to acknowledge, and propose solutions to.
Unfortunately one candidate is refusing to acknowledge the problem, and even telling explicit lies on stage about abortions laws.
The moderators were referring to abortion as a "right", clearly showing bias, because this debate is between two candidates who disagree about whether it's a crime or a right.
Is it any surprise a biased moderator wouldn't fact-check Harris, and cite the laws that do make third trimester abortion legal?
I gave you a source for the laws that Harris lied about.
Saying "do your research" over and over without engaging with what I'm saying is exactly how anti-vaxxers I've met act. They can't cite research themselves, and they don't care about the medical research or laws on the books that contradict them.
If you have to ignore my source, lie about my position, and name-call each time you can't refute my statements those are all signs you are in the wrong.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 9 months ago, 47 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,320,836
People like op would crack my shit up if they didn't make up nearly half of the voting population. Terrifying. God I want to go back to when people like this were just weirdos that everyone pointed and laughed at, like flat earthers. Instead anything they believe is an "opinion" and is for some reason treated as just as valid as any other. Madness.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 9 months ago, 39 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,320,837
@1,320,835 (A)
Literally look up why late term abortions happen. You could look this up and you won't. You knew you didn't know what you were talking about regarding this issue, and decided to lecture us any way
> Literally look up why late term abortions happen.
Not every case is the same. I'm sure some of them are understandable.
That doesn't excuse lying on stage. Harris could have acknowledged the law and said it was justified because the mother's life was at risk or anything else.
Instead she made a choice to lie.
> You could look this up and you won't. You knew you didn't know what you were talking about regarding this issue, and decided to lecture us any way
It's not my job to look up a source that defends your position.
I did my research and found laws legalizing 3rd trimester abortion.
Neither you nor I could find anything saying it was illegal. If you did find this, you'd paste the link yourself, you wouldn't ask me to do your work for you.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 9 months ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,320,847
@previous (A)
It's not a lie. Trump kept saying that they would abort 9 month old babies, put them on a table, and figure out what to do with them. He was implying that they were killing 9 month old babies
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 months ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,320,848
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I'm not referring to that, I'm referring to a part in the debate where he said Roe v. Wade allowed third trimester abortions and Harris shook her head and said it didn't.
Third trimester abortions were and are allowed in 9 states.
> And I'm referring to how you started this topic
I've said multiple times that after birth, there is no law legalizing it. Stop trying to twist my words.
> And third trimester abortions should be free and legal so that women don't septic from a fetus rotting inside of them
It is legal in many states, despite the lie Harris told on stage.
It's disgusting, but it's important to know what's going on. There's a reason censorship is promoted and used by the Democrats so often, they know that an open discussion of the evidence collected would turn public opinion against them.
When the "impartial moderators" state that abortion is a right, and refuse to ask the candidates about leaks like this, is it any wonder Trump doesn't want to come back to a debate like that? It's not their job to take his side either, but they should be neutral.
Anonymous E replied with this 9 months ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,320,856
@1,320,787 (A) > Harris said Roe v. Wade didn't allow third trimester abortions during the debate. That is also a lie. Nine states allowed abortions through the third trimester.
There is an important asterisk here you're leaving out. Roe v Wade ONLY allowed for such late abortions when it was necessary for life of the mother. This is NOT what Trump and the MAGA republicans are saying. At best they are lying by omission in order to convince people like you that anyone in their third trimester can walk into clinic and abort no questions asked. This does not happen.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 9 months ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,320,859
@1,320,800 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > Because when a fetus DIES in the womb, it's an abortion to remove it. You fucking mong
That's called a miscarriage and has always, of course, been legal throughout history everywhere. An abortion is the deliberate killing and removal of a fetus which may or may not be viable.
Anonymous F replied with this 9 months ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,320,869
@1,320,862 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > You're completely wrong and you look stupid
Um, you are completely wrong and also astonishingly arrogant.
How can you not know the difference between stillbirths (miscarriages in the third trimester) or, if you insist, "spontaneous abortions" ... and abortions? The former is natural and occurs all the time. The latter is a deliberate act, the intention of which is to terminate the pregnancy.
> and you look stupid
You are so quick to call others stupid when you have such a poor grasp on facts and reality. This makes you look incredibly foolish.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 9 months ago, 23 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,320,881
@previous (A)
You started this topic with dishonesty and have also proven that you and sad amount of other people don't understand simple concepts about a topic that's easy to research
I DONT disagree that some states allow third trimester abortions, because I ACTUALLY understand that it doesn't involve killing healthy babies. So I am in favor of them being legal
> I DONT disagree that some states allow third trimester abortions
Finally.
It took you a long time to admit it, and Harris still refuses to acknowledge this.
I was never dishonest, and you never showed one source to show I was wrong about anything. Harris did lie, and yet you will be backing that dishonest politician.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 9 months ago, 4 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,320,938
@OP
Republican's are totally OK with the born baby starving to death because the mother is unable to care for it - Cannot afford health care so the baby dies from some fixable problem.
That is Post Abortion death which Republicans allow.
He claimed: “They will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month and even after birth.”
By definition, late-in-pregnancy abortions take place at or after 21 weeks of pregnancy. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, less than 1% of all abortions occur at this stage of pregnancy.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 9 months ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,321,008
When I see Americans arguing about abortion online, it makes me grateful that I'm not American. Much the same as how their arguments about guns make me feel.
This is your problem, and I'm happy to leave you to it. Well, you and lots of thrid-world or highly religious countries.
boof replied with this 9 months ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,321,045
@1,321,014 (A)
your logic failed -- often people want to leave countries like that to get more freedoms. if they loved not having freedoms, they wouldn't follow someone's wish to get imported, that's retarded
Anonymous L replied with this 9 months ago, 12 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#1,321,245
@previous (A)
Found liable by a civil court of digitally raping a woman. You will vote for him because you believe rape and sexual abuse is acceptable. End of story.
Anonymous L replied with this 9 months ago, 51 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#1,321,264
@previous (A)
You know he's rapist. You admire him for that. You'll vote for him because he's a rapist. If he wins, you'll revel in the fact that a rapist and serial sex abuser is (again) the most powerful man on the planet. You aren't alone. Many of his followers agree with you, equating rape with dominance and power.
boof replied with this 9 months ago, 18 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#1,321,274
@1,321,186 (A)
depends on the immigrant. some are refugees, for instance, seeking refuge. anyway why the fuck call them migrants? migration is when they fly north and south with the seasons.