Topic: The Pogues
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 year ago #120,552
Horrible, shitty, terrible music.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 19 minutes later[^] [v] #1,319,700
Where is your mind?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 4 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,703
Fuck off, poseur
boof joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 6 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,704
TEETCH
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,749
I can tell we aren't going to be friends.
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 40 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,751
Oi, Fairytale of New York is a Christmas classic.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 3 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,767
Who wants a Christmas song with the word faggot in it?
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 1 year ago, 18 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,768
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Why not? The word 'faggot' is a bit different to US ears; it never had the UK/Irish meaning of a contemptible/lazy person, which I think is lost on many Americans.
But regardless I think these modern attempts to sanitise everything are just stupid. It's a fun song! It's the Christmas favourite of everyone in the British Isles.
Why not? The word 'faggot' is a bit different to US ears; it never had the UK/Irish meaning of a contemptible/lazy person, which I think is lost on many Americans.
But regardless I think these modern attempts to sanitise everything are just stupid. It's a fun song! It's the Christmas favourite of everyone in the British Isles.
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Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 6 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,769
YOU CHEAP LOUSY FAGGOT
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 19 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,770
@1,319,768 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Who is sanitizing the song?
It's like having a Christmas song with the word nigger in it. Also, the singing doesn't seem that ear pleasing. It's more like a drinking song than a holiday song
Who is sanitizing the song?
It's like having a Christmas song with the word nigger in it. Also, the singing doesn't seem that ear pleasing. It's more like a drinking song than a holiday song
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,771
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
He is saying that the word "faggot" in that song does not mean homosexual. In Irish dialect when the song was written, it meant "a contemptible, lazy person".
He is saying that the word "faggot" in that song does not mean homosexual. In Irish dialect when the song was written, it meant "a contemptible, lazy person".
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,773
@previous (C)
I understand
But if a classic American holiday song had someone calling someone else a spastic, Paki, he'd probably be like, This song isn't very Christmasy
I understand
But if a classic American holiday song had someone calling someone else a spastic, Paki, he'd probably be like, This song isn't very Christmasy
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 1 year ago, 6 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,774
@1,319,771 (C)
Yeah, this.
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
True, but if spastic had some previous meaning before it was corrupted I'd probably find no problem with it.
It'll always be the song I associate with Christmas. It's a classic. It's very Christmassy to me and to most British people. I love it. I can understand why it's censored for some people's modern sensibilities though.
Yeah, this.
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
True, but if spastic had some previous meaning before it was corrupted I'd probably find no problem with it.
It'll always be the song I associate with Christmas. It's a classic. It's very Christmassy to me and to most British people. I love it. I can understand why it's censored for some people's modern sensibilities though.
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,775
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Spastic in the US is not as serious of a slur as it is in Britain, or so I've been told. People almost use it like the word "nerd" here
Is it Christmasy because it reminds people of cozy pubs?
Also, is it being censored?
Spastic in the US is not as serious of a slur as it is in Britain, or so I've been told. People almost use it like the word "nerd" here
Is it Christmasy because it reminds people of cozy pubs?
Also, is it being censored?
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 1 year ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,776
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Yeah spastic is basically "retard" here or worse, I'd say.
And yeah the lyrics are changed when it's played on the radio nowadays, usually. The whole 'debate' comes up every year. Most people just know it as a funny old Christmas song about being a drunken mess, even if the theme seems a bit different to most Christmas songs. It enters the charts every year.
Yeah spastic is basically "retard" here or worse, I'd say.
And yeah the lyrics are changed when it's played on the radio nowadays, usually. The whole 'debate' comes up every year. Most people just know it as a funny old Christmas song about being a drunken mess, even if the theme seems a bit different to most Christmas songs. It enters the charts every year.
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,777
I will say, the female singer has a pretty voice. The male singer sounds like a retard
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,778
@1,319,776 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
I think also some of the disconnect is because I don't associate Christmas with heavy drinking
I think also some of the disconnect is because I don't associate Christmas with heavy drinking
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Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,779
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 3 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,804
All their songs are about America and NYC but they live in the UK.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,826
@1,319,775 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
They had to record a version without it for Top of the Pops and some stations play that version. In it, the line "You cheap lousy faggot" is replaced with "You're cheap and you're haggard".
They had to record a version without it for Top of the Pops and some stations play that version. In it, the line "You cheap lousy faggot" is replaced with "You're cheap and you're haggard".
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,828
@1,319,777 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> The male singer sounds like a retard
Drugs (LSD & heroin) and alcohol abuse since the age of 5. This lead to all his teeth falling out. Blame his stupid parents for making him an alcoholic long before he even had half a chance to begin developing rational thought.
Why is it OK for you to call people retards when you know absolutely nothing about them, but you get all offended and want to censor others?
> @1,319,774 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
It'll always be the song I associate with Christmas. It's a classic. It's very Christmassy to me and to most British people. I love it.
Agree 100% - best Christmas song ever.
> The male singer sounds like a retard
Drugs (LSD & heroin) and alcohol abuse since the age of 5. This lead to all his teeth falling out. Blame his stupid parents for making him an alcoholic long before he even had half a chance to begin developing rational thought.
Why is it OK for you to call people retards when you know absolutely nothing about them, but you get all offended and want to censor others?
> @1,319,774 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
It'll always be the song I associate with Christmas. It's a classic. It's very Christmassy to me and to most British people. I love it.
Agree 100% - best Christmas song ever.
Anonymous J double-posted this 1 year ago, 59 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,832
@1,319,804 (A)
> All their songs are about America and NYC
No they aren't. If you're talking about Fairy Tale of New York then the change to the setting of the song was largely due to their tour of the US, which began in NYC. Musically, MacGowan was also very much inspired by this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuyYc0gINbU
> but they live in the UK.
This may astound you, but sometimes people travel and get inspired by the places they travel to.
> All their songs are about America and NYC
No they aren't. If you're talking about Fairy Tale of New York then the change to the setting of the song was largely due to their tour of the US, which began in NYC. Musically, MacGowan was also very much inspired by this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuyYc0gINbU
> but they live in the UK.
This may astound you, but sometimes people travel and get inspired by the places they travel to.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 5 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,843
@1,319,828 (J)
I didn't know he actually had a disability. I thought it was a dumb singing affect, similarly to what Randy Neumann does
I didn't know he actually had a disability. I thought it was a dumb singing affect, similarly to what Randy Neumann does
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,883
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 1 year ago, 44 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,884
I think Irish music is just shitty in general, it’s too regional, preachy, and overly sentimental.
Irish people like pretending to be victims. British music is superior.
Irish people like pretending to be victims. British music is superior.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 5 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,888
@previous (A)
I've heard Irish drinking songs Ive enjoyed
I also like very old songs about someone getting murdered
I've heard Irish drinking songs Ive enjoyed
I also like very old songs about someone getting murdered
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 4 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,319,894
I like their cover of The Band Played Waltzing Matilda.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 13 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,061
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,069
@1,319,888 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> I also like very old songs about someone getting murdered
But not songs that have the word "faggot" in them?
> I also like very old songs about someone getting murdered
But not songs that have the word "faggot" in them?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,080
@1,320,061 (C)
> Pretend?? Do you know anything about what the English have done to them?
Yes,, but they have objectively higher living standards than those who live in Bongistan do now. It’d be like if Americans continually bitched and moaned about the tea tax in the present day. They need to stop crying.
> Pretend?? Do you know anything about what the English have done to them?
Yes,, but they have objectively higher living standards than those who live in Bongistan do now. It’d be like if Americans continually bitched and moaned about the tea tax in the present day. They need to stop crying.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,088
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,099
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
It interests me because committing a murder is usually ranked above using anti-homosexual slurs as a bad thing in society.
It interests me because committing a murder is usually ranked above using anti-homosexual slurs as a bad thing in society.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,103
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
There's more excuses for killing people. Also, I dont want either one in my Christmas music
There's more excuses for killing people. Also, I dont want either one in my Christmas music
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 1 year ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,111
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I hate Christmas music in general and never listen to it so neither one really bothers me.
I hate Christmas music in general and never listen to it so neither one really bothers me.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,114
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Well, think of songs meant to evoke warm feelings or family and togetherness, and then the word faggot is included
Well, think of songs meant to evoke warm feelings or family and togetherness, and then the word faggot is included
Larry the liberal replied with this 1 year ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,115
If you ask me, the task of the present is to deliver a tutting rebuke to the past.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 1 year ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,118
@1,320,114 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Yeah I was thinking of the harder, edgier music of my youth. I genuinely miss early '00s edginess.
Yeah I was thinking of the harder, edgier music of my youth. I genuinely miss early '00s edginess.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,120
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
2000 was the last time your body had edges. Now it's blubbery and round.
2000 was the last time your body had edges. Now it's blubbery and round.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 1 year ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,122
Anonymous J replied with this 1 year ago, 25 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,124
@1,320,114 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> Well, think of songs meant to evoke warm feelings or family and togetherness, and then the word faggot is included
In the context of the song, the word "faggot" isn't used as a homosexual slur. This is at low point of the "tale" - the man is sitting in the drunk tank on Christmas eve, reminiscing about his old lover and the argument they had several years ago on Christmas eve, where she berated him for giving her nothing but lies and broken promises, and they called each other names. The high point (and the reason the song works as a Christmas song) is that despite all the failures and against all odds, he has kept her dreams with him, has built his dreams around hers and still loves her. It's very bitter-sweet and very Christmassy.
> Well, think of songs meant to evoke warm feelings or family and togetherness, and then the word faggot is included
In the context of the song, the word "faggot" isn't used as a homosexual slur. This is at low point of the "tale" - the man is sitting in the drunk tank on Christmas eve, reminiscing about his old lover and the argument they had several years ago on Christmas eve, where she berated him for giving her nothing but lies and broken promises, and they called each other names. The high point (and the reason the song works as a Christmas song) is that despite all the failures and against all odds, he has kept her dreams with him, has built his dreams around hers and still loves her. It's very bitter-sweet and very Christmassy.
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Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 56 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,142
@previous (J)
Americans don't understand Fairytale of New York because they are a very simplistic people. They like their messages to be plain and direct.
Americans don't understand Fairytale of New York because they are a very simplistic people. They like their messages to be plain and direct.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 46 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,152
Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,153
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I've seen react videos and Americans are completely baffled by it. "But Christmas should be a happy time! Why does this have sad lyrics?"
I've seen react videos and Americans are completely baffled by it. "But Christmas should be a happy time! Why does this have sad lyrics?"
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,165
Green !!bO/s3MBcD joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,166
You can buy faggots at Tesco. I've never eaten one, they look like meatballs though.
Green !!bO/s3MBcD double-posted this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,167
"Faggots have been around for many years and i highly recommend these for the quality and low price. As there's 6 in a pack, two each is fine for three people and they come with a good amount of gravy to pour on top of them. They are great with mashed potatoes and peas/any vegetables."
Green !!bO/s3MBcD triple-posted this 1 year ago, 31 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,168
"My husband and I love these faggots but what has happened to the 4-pack? 6 faggots are too much for 2 pensioners so what about the return of the 4-pack!"
Green !!bO/s3MBcD quadruple-posted this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,169
^Genuine reviews from Tesco customers.
Anonymous I replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,184
@1,320,165 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
The name is an example of black humour! He's an alcoholic arrested by the police and reminiscing about arguments he had with his junkie ex-gf about their clampett lifestyle.
The name is an example of black humour! He's an alcoholic arrested by the police and reminiscing about arguments he had with his junkie ex-gf about their clampett lifestyle.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,320,199
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 3 months later, 3 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,336,159
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