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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 47 minutes later[^][v]#1,316,410
As long as he's brown, and ideally has a funny name, we'll be able to push the narrative that he's foreign and that he stabbed them because he is foreign. Regardless of anything else. Don't worry, we'll have a chance to smash up the Greggs again soon!
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,316,433
@previous (C) > There's no such thing as blood or culture.
With the exception of an Afghani, or an Albanian, or an Algerian, or an Andorran, or an Angolan, or an Antiguan, or an Argentinan, or an Armenian, or an Australian, or an Austrian, or an Azerbaijanian, or a Bahaman, or a Bahrainian, or a Bangladeshi, or a Barbadians, or a Bavarian, or a Belarusian, or a Belgian, or a Belizeans, or a Beninois, or a Bolivian, or a Bosnian, or a Botswanan, or a Brazilian, or a Bruneian, or a Bulgarian, or a Burkinabé, or a Burman, or a Burundian, or a Cabo Verdean, or a Cambodian, or a Cameroonian, or a Canadian, or a Central African, or a Chadian, or a Chilean, or a Chinese, or a Colombian, or a Comorian, or a Congan, or a Costa Rican, or an Ivorian, or a Croatian, or a Cuban, or a Cypriot, or a Czechian, or a Dane, or a Djiboutian, or a Dominican, or an Ecuadorian, or a Egyptian, or an El Salvadorian, or an Equatorial Guinean, or an Eritrean, or an Estonian, or an Eswati, or an Ethiopian, or a Fijian, or a Finn, or a Gabonese, or a Gambian, or a Georgian, or a German, or a Ghanaian, or a Greek, or a Grenadan, or a Guatemalan, or a Bissau-Guinean, or a Guyanan, or a Haitian, or a Honduran, or a Hungarian, or an Icelander, or an Indian, or an Indonesian, or an Iranian, or an Iraqi, or an Israeli, or an Italian, or a Jamaican, or a Japanese, or a Jordanian, or a Kazakhstani, or a Kenyan, or a Kiribati, or a Korean, or a Kosovan, or a Kuwaiti, or a Kyrgyz, or a Laotian, or a Latvian, or a Lebanese, or a Basotho, or a Liberian, or a Libyan, or a Liechtensteiner, or a Lithuanian, or a Luxembourger, or a Madagascan, or a Malawian, or a Malaysian, or a Maldivian, or a Malian, or a Maltese, or a Mauritanian, or a Mauritian, or a Mexican, or a Micronesian, or a Moldovan, or a Monegasque, or a Mongolian, or a Montenegran, or a Moroccan, or a Mozambican, or a Namibian, or a Nauruan, or a Nepalese, or a Dutch, or a New Zealander, or a Nicaraguan, or a Nigerien, or a Nigerian, or a Niuean, or a Norwegian, or an Omani, or a Pakistani, or a Palauan, or a Panamanian, or a Papua New Guinean, or a Paraguayan, or a Peruvian, or a Filipino, or a Polish, or a Portuguese, or a Qatari, or a Korean, or a Romanian, or a Russian, or a Rwandan, or a Samoan, or a Saudi, or a Senegalese, or a Serbian, or a Seychellois, or a Sierra Leonean, or a Singaporean, or a Slovakian, or a Slovenian, or a Somalian, or a South African, or a South Sudanese, or a Spainish, or a Sri Lankan, or a Sudanese, or a Surinamese, or a Swedish, or a Swiss, or a Syrian, or a Tajikistani, or a Tanzanian, or a Thai, or a Timorese, or a Togolese, or a Tongan, or a Trinbagonian, or a Tunisian, or a Turkish, or a Turkoman, or a Tuvaluan, or a Ugandan, or a Ukrainian, or an Emirati, or a Uruguayan, or a Uzbek, or a Ni-Vanuatu, or a Venezuelan, or a Vietnamese, or a Yemeni, or a Zambian, or a Zimbabwean person.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 11 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,316,436
The lady who was stabbed in Manchester was a Ghanaian, called Alberta Obinim. You can bet if the attacker was a white chav it would have been all over the news, all over the world by now. Blacks stabbing blacks - nobody cares.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,316,464
@1,316,435 (boof)
When people bring up the others the news runs articles saying people are misinformed and point out citizenship. They refuse to distinguish between the two, and go out of their way to misinterpret the actual problems brought up.
Not just the media, Anon B repeats the same tired line. No one cares if he was born in Britain, it's not the point, but Anon B jumped to the conclusion that it must be ignorant racists who were tricked into thinking he was born elsewhere.
Really people don't want that culture growing because of the harms it brings. People born into that culture domestically show the long-term problems with immigration because assimilation does not actually happen in one generation.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 4 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,316,511
@previous (C) > assimilation does not actually happen in one generation
That's the other problem: sometimes assimilation doesn't happen at all. A very large number are of the opinion that they don't need to adopt an English/Welsh/Scottish way of life - as you said sarcastically, there's no such thing as (British) culture. Britain must always adopt and incorporate their strange customs, their backward belief systems, their alien culture.
> Really people don't want that culture growing because of the harms it brings.
And if you call it "harmful" then you're a racist bigot far right Nazi chav.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,316,515
@previous (F) > Why should they assimilate?
Because that's what you do when you emigrate. Imagine moving to China and expecting the Chinese to let you have your freedom of religion / free speech etc.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 4 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,316,548
@1,316,464 (C) @1,316,511 (D)
If someone grew up in England, it is hard to call them anything other than English. If they have never known another country, then they are more of England than of anywhere else.
People like you two attach lots of vague, highly subjective qualifiers to this: "He needs to act a certain way, he needs to be a certain ethnicity, he needs to have certain genes", etc. Doubtlessly, though, these requirements would become much less strict if he was white. Both of you would probably accept a white man called Grigori who loves Russian food as British, if he'd grown up there. Really, you just can't accept him as British because he is a black and has an African-sounding last name. That's the real reason.
Racists needed Axel Rudakubana to be foreign because that was the justification for the riots, he was an excuse to go out and beat up or even try to kill brown people. But he did not murder those children because he is foreign, he murdered them becuase he was crazy and a psycho. The majority of people (even the African ones) would just not have it in them to stab multiple children to death.
Thankfully, though, the riots achieved very little. Some chavs ran wild for a few days, attempted to murder brown people and then smashed up some stuff, now it's all over. And, as much as people were deceived by lies about Axel's nationality or motivation, I like to think that lots of other people were further alienated from racism by seeing its true colours here.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,316,558
@previous (A)
The only conditions I put on that was that his name is Russian and that he likes Russian food, and you still wouldn't accept him as English if he'd grown up in England? That's bonkers, mate.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 2 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,316,564
@1,316,549 (F) > Why, I asked? "Because." That's not an answer. Why SHOULD anyone assimilate?
It totally is an answer. It's a dumb question anyway, very similar to asking why should anyone obey the laws of the country they're living in.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 9 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,316,567
@1,316,548 (B) > Both of you would probably accept a white man called Grigori who loves Russian food as British, if he'd grown up there.
If those are the only criteria, then no.
> Really, you just can't accept him as British because he is a black and has an African-sounding last name.
Balls, there are plenty of black and Asian nth generation people who have fully completed the process of cultural assimilation and are just as British as white people. The main reason for not accepting somebody like Axel Rudakubana as British is not because he is black and has a foreign sounding name, but because clearly he has not adopted British culture as his own. Firstly, being the first generation in his Rwandan family (who escaped the Rwandan genocide in 1994) to be born in the UK, he hasn't had nearly enough time to even begin assimilating. Secondly, according to a former classmate, he said "What this country needs is a Rwandan style genocide" - so it would appear even he doesn't really consider himself to be British.
> he murdered them becuase he was crazy and a psycho.
That much is clear. You have to ask though, why is it that knife-wielding psychos and child rapists are over-represented in minority ethnicities?
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,316,596
@1,316,567 (D)
You and some of the another anons keep saying that first-gens "can't assimilate" and that's it's "not long enough", but this seems incredibly silly to me. First-gens can have incredibly different experiences to each other, it is wrong to make vast generalisations about such a big and diverse group.
Here's an example, Priti Patel: she's the daughter of two immigrants, and she was born in Britain. She grew up to identify strongly with the British identity, she has the accent, she became a powerful MP, and she even supported legislation which would have made it illegal for her own parents to emigrate to the UK. She has undeniably assimilated into British culture.
At a quick glance I couldn't find a credible source that Rudakubana said that genocide quote, and I'm sceptical about taking you at your word because there's been lots of misinformation whirling around about him. But let's just say, for sake of argument, that he does feel disaffected and does dislike England- that still doesn't change anything. He is still more of England than of Rawanda, even if he doesn't feel assimilated.
He did not grow up in some kind of hermetically-sealed Rawandan compound which just happened to be located in Britain. He went to a British school, he walked British streets, he interacted with British people. If he suddenly hopped on a plane to Rawanda, I doubt he'd immediately feel at home there.
He's British. He is not some foreigner who came here from somewhere else, no matter how much certain people need him to be to justify anti-immigrant violence.
> You have to ask though, why is it that knife-wielding psychos and child rapists are over-represented in minority ethnicities?
He did not do this because he's black, nobody becomes a violent criminal just because of their race. If you're suggesting here that being non-white predisposes someone to rape or murder, then I will probably be dropping this conversation.
Anonymous D replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,316,613
@1,316,596 (B)
You completely ignored what I said: "there are plenty of black and Asian nth generation people who have fully completed the process of cultural assimilation and are just as British as white people."
First you say "it is wrong to make vast generalisations about such a big and diverse group" (which I didn't) then you immediately bring up Priti Patel and her parents. Talk about generalising. The fact that you equate these types of immigrants with recent arrivals with absolutely zero prior connection to the UK reveals a profound lack of understanding of history and general knowledge.
> She has undeniably assimilated into British culture.
I totally agree, but her story is completely different.
Priti Patel's paternal grandparents emigrated to Uganda before Indian independence (1947). The family then fled Uganda in the 60s when Idi Amin threatened to kick out all the Asian people (before he eventually did this in 1972). So firstly, coming from the time of the end of the British Raj, the Patel family had already well assimilated into British culture - believe it or not, not all Indians (esp. the wealthy ones) saw the British occupation as a bad thing. Secondly, they had a taste of what it was like to live under a dictatorship under Idi Amin. It is no surprise at all that they were willing and eager to fully adopt the British way of life and pass it on to their children and grandchildren.
> He is still more of England than of Rawanda, even if he doesn't feel assimilated.
If you insist, but let's get this right shall we, he's from Wales, not England.
> > You have to ask though, why is it that knife-wielding psychos and child rapists are over-represented in minority ethnicities? > He did not do this because he's black, nobody becomes a violent criminal just because of their race. If you're suggesting here that being non-white predisposes someone to rape or murder, then I will probably be dropping this conversation.
Get off your high horse. I'm not suggesting anything. I am asking a question - one that shouldn't be dismissed just because it makes us feel uncomfortable.
@1,316,585 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > Why are they over represented in men?
Somewhat easier to answer - off the top of my head, because men are (generally) higher in testosterone, more impulsive, more aggressive, more likely to take risks, more likely to engage in substance abuse (which strongly correlates with an increase in likelihood to commit crimes). Men are also more likely to rape simply because they have the equipment to do so. I'm sure there are many more psychological, neurological, social, etc. reasons, but these are probably some of the most important ones.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,316,631
@1,316,548 (B)
You can acknowledge someone lived in a land AND acknowledge the culture they are apart of.
There are many different cultures present in the land, and the protestors are not saying he is from a different land. They are saying the lands that have certain cultures are not good sources for new immigrants.
It's not hard to understand, you're trying not to understand.