Topic: Proof that gender (not biological sex, but gender) is a social construct
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 year ago #119,172
I mean gender roles. In many cultures throughout history, continuing until today, what is masculine in one culture is considered feminine in another, and vice versa. This alone proves that gender if arbitrary and based on culture and context.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 13 minutes later[^] [v] #1,307,576
Men have been more selective about their partner's age (prefering youth) over women in every culture.
There might be some odd exception in a small isolated village, but that's a universal trait.
Why do you think that is?
There might be some odd exception in a small isolated village, but that's a universal trait.
Why do you think that is?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 14 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,580
@previous (B)
Every culture? Look up 走婚 in Mosuo minority culture. There are matriarchal cultures where older women marry younger men. Otherwise, you are describing biological phenomenon related to producing offspring. I am talking about what makes gender, not biological sex.
Every culture? Look up 走婚 in Mosuo minority culture. There are matriarchal cultures where older women marry younger men. Otherwise, you are describing biological phenomenon related to producing offspring. I am talking about what makes gender, not biological sex.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 8 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,583
@previous (A)
Like I said, you'd have to find some obscure exception. There's exceptions to any rule, but it doesn't change the general principle at play.
> I am talking about what makes gender, not biological sex.
Gender are the cultural roles associated with sex. I'm talking about the expectations and behavior (i.e. culture) associated with those sexes, I'm not talking about biological functions like genitalia or hormones.
Like I said, you'd have to find some obscure exception. There's exceptions to any rule, but it doesn't change the general principle at play.
> I am talking about what makes gender, not biological sex.
Gender are the cultural roles associated with sex. I'm talking about the expectations and behavior (i.e. culture) associated with those sexes, I'm not talking about biological functions like genitalia or hormones.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,585
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benis
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,587
@1,307,583 (B)
You are talking about biology if you are talking about mating preferences or trends. I am talking about societal roles that have nothing to do with biology.
You are talking about biology if you are talking about mating preferences or trends. I am talking about societal roles that have nothing to do with biology.
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Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 42 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,594
@1,307,585 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Yes.
@1,307,587 (A)
If you define gender as entirely the cultural aspects that have nothing to do with biology, then obviously that's entirely social.
You've just stated a tautology because you've defined the claim as part of the definition of the word.
Yes.
@1,307,587 (A)
If you define gender as entirely the cultural aspects that have nothing to do with biology, then obviously that's entirely social.
You've just stated a tautology because you've defined the claim as part of the definition of the word.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,595
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,596
@previous (A)
Why are you saying "no" like it contradicts what I said?
I said "If you define gender as entirely the cultural aspects that have nothing to do with biology, then obviously that's entirely social."
If you are completely separating biology from it, then by definition it's a "social construct".
Why are you saying "no" like it contradicts what I said?
I said "If you define gender as entirely the cultural aspects that have nothing to do with biology, then obviously that's entirely social."
If you are completely separating biology from it, then by definition it's a "social construct".
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 14 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,597
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boof replied with this 1 year ago, 40 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,600
why even do that, have a social contstruct that reminds people of being a sex but has nothing to do with it somehow
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,602
@1,307,599 (A)
Your definition includes the claim.
It's like saying you have proof that all bachelors are unwed. If that's part of the definition it's automatically true, it's not something you need to prove.
Your definition includes the claim.
It's like saying you have proof that all bachelors are unwed. If that's part of the definition it's automatically true, it's not something you need to prove.
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Anonymous B double-posted this 1 year ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,603
@1,307,600 (boof)
That's what it's morphed into.
At one point there was no difference, gender referred to the use of sex in language.
The meaning evolved when people referred to gender roles as separate from sex, but not limited to linguistic properties. If you acted the way a woman acted, but were male sex then you could have a distinct gender and sex.
But progressive culture wasn't supposed to have gender roles anyway, so what does it mean that you have gender roles that don't match your sex? It's contradictory, because sex lost those associations.
At that point gender loses all of its original meaning, and becomes synonymous with personality. which is why no one can answer What is a woman?
That's what it's morphed into.
At one point there was no difference, gender referred to the use of sex in language.
The meaning evolved when people referred to gender roles as separate from sex, but not limited to linguistic properties. If you acted the way a woman acted, but were male sex then you could have a distinct gender and sex.
But progressive culture wasn't supposed to have gender roles anyway, so what does it mean that you have gender roles that don't match your sex? It's contradictory, because sex lost those associations.
At that point gender loses all of its original meaning, and becomes synonymous with personality. which is why no one can answer What is a woman?
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intredasting
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 11 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,307,609
A woman is one of those things that you know it when you see it.
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Sounds like some pussy ass bitches are making excuses for being soft.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 days later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,308,156
There's caveman time bones where people who had pelvic damage consistent with horseback riding usually were found adorned as if they were a medicine person, or of some spiritual significance
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Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.
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Catalina de la Dect !j0siCathyI replied with this 1 year ago, 8 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,312,824
@1,312,819 (Father Dave !QQGhFnKGPY)
Nice projection.
@1,312,820 (J)
I have (cis) woman friends. Even better.
@previous (K)
I used my phone. :-/
Nice projection.
@1,312,820 (J)
I have (cis) woman friends. Even better.
@previous (K)
I used my phone. :-/
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Anonymous E replied with this 1 year ago, 27 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,312,832
@1,312,817 (Catalina de la Dect !j0siCathyI)Red - typing error
Yellow - punctuation error
Purple - unnecessary word or phrase
Blue - Fragment
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boof replied with this 1 year ago, 54 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,312,840
there was a time when someone would take such a text and turn it into an opera
Catalina de la Dect !j0siCathyI replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,312,841
@1,312,832 (E)
There needed to be a comma after, "Plus?"
I started doing that but I have always been unsure if that was a thing.
In school, I remember learning that "and" didn't always have to have a comma before it.
So I assumed it was just one of those things.
There needed to be a comma after, "Plus?"
I started doing that but I have always been unsure if that was a thing.
In school, I remember learning that "and" didn't always have to have a comma before it.
So I assumed it was just one of those things.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 year ago, 10 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,312,846
@previous (Catalina de la Dect !j0siCathyI)
Ideally, there wouldn't have been a "plus", as it was unnecessary. However, given a "plus", there should have been a comma as it would deliver a pause, the effect of which would be to clarify that the word is used to make a point related to the previous sentence.
Ideally, there wouldn't have been a "plus", as it was unnecessary. However, given a "plus", there should have been a comma as it would deliver a pause, the effect of which would be to clarify that the word is used to make a point related to the previous sentence.
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@previous (K)
There’s an iPhone 16 now? I thought the highest was 15 still. I have an iPhone 14 Pro Max. I think the scan came out shit because I was lazy and took it on my bed or because I used Adobe Scan.
There’s an iPhone 16 now? I thought the highest was 15 still. I have an iPhone 14 Pro Max. I think the scan came out shit because I was lazy and took it on my bed or because I used Adobe Scan.
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@previous (G)
Since they aren't talking about genitalia or chromosomes, it must be social roles.
But the same transadvocates say they are against gendered social roles.
That's why no one can answer "What is a woman?" because the ideology is self-contradictory. A woman is someone who adheres to those roles, but also we shouldn't have social roles based on sex.
The contradiction creates cognitive dissonance, which is why that's always the side that gets angry over simple and straightforward questions.
Since they aren't talking about genitalia or chromosomes, it must be social roles.
But the same transadvocates say they are against gendered social roles.
That's why no one can answer "What is a woman?" because the ideology is self-contradictory. A woman is someone who adheres to those roles, but also we shouldn't have social roles based on sex.
The contradiction creates cognitive dissonance, which is why that's always the side that gets angry over simple and straightforward questions.