Topic: Congressional Democrats already pushing back on Obama jobs bill
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w started this discussion 15 years ago #11,905
WASHINGTON — President Obama anticipated Republican resistance to his jobs program, but he is now meeting increasing pushback from his own party. Many Congressional Democrats, smarting from the fallout over the 2009 stimulus bill, say there is little chance they will be able to support the bill as a single entity, citing an array of elements they cannot abide.
“I think the American people are very skeptical of big pieces of legislation,†Senator Bob Casey, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, said in an interview Wednesday, joining a growing chorus of Democrats who prefer an à la carte version of the bill despite White House resistance to that approach. “For that reason alone I think we should break it up.â€
“I think the American people are very skeptical of big pieces of legislation,†Senator Bob Casey, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, said in an interview Wednesday, joining a growing chorus of Democrats who prefer an à la carte version of the bill despite White House resistance to that approach. “For that reason alone I think we should break it up.â€
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/politics/democrats-in-congress-balking-at-obamas-jobs-bill.html?_r=1
The reality is that Obama kind of sucks at the most basic things about being a politician, like understanding one's base of support and gauging their willingness to support you on risky initiatives. He's not shown Dems any reason to coalesce on these major legislative initiatives, not after the stimulus bill and his massive bungling of health care.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #214,081
But he has the audacity of hope so that's gotta count for something, amirite?
The --stimulus-- jobs bill would have failed anyway because Keynesian economics is a fraud.
The --stimulus-- jobs bill would have failed anyway because Keynesian economics is a fraud.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,082
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Well I think one could have legitimately expected him to be a better politician, just based on his skillfulness in getting to the presidency so quickly in spite of the momentum behind Hillary Clinton. It's just mind-boggling how bad he is at the whole legislative process.
Well I think one could have legitimately expected him to be a better politician, just based on his skillfulness in getting to the presidency so quickly in spite of the momentum behind Hillary Clinton. It's just mind-boggling how bad he is at the whole legislative process.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,083
@previous (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
I just really, really don't get Obama. If he stood for something I could respect him. Even if he was a devout communist who fapped to Joseph Stalin every night. But he doesn't. He just keeps bumbling through his presidency. He needs call up Hillary's husband and lrn2politics.
The man is made entirely out of mealy mouthed spineless mush.
I just really, really don't get Obama. If he stood for something I could respect him. Even if he was a devout communist who fapped to Joseph Stalin every night. But he doesn't. He just keeps bumbling through his presidency. He needs call up Hillary's husband and lrn2politics.
The man is made entirely out of mealy mouthed spineless mush.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,084
hamfist !!snnYcROO9 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,086
Gary Johnson 2012
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,087
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,090
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,093
@214,084 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
But Obama knows how to organize communities in Chicago. This is clearly criteria all rational voters would use to select a president.
But Obama knows how to organize communities in Chicago. This is clearly criteria all rational voters would use to select a president.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,094
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,095
@214,093 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Hey, he wasn't my first choice either. I just didn't expect it to be this bad.
Hey, he wasn't my first choice either. I just didn't expect it to be this bad.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 29 seconds later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,096
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,099
@214,095 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
The most convincing explanation (from a webcomic called This Modern World) I've heard is that the Obama presidency was a conspiracy to get the Republicans into power in 2012.
The most convincing explanation (from a webcomic called This Modern World) I've heard is that the Obama presidency was a conspiracy to get the Republicans into power in 2012.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,103
"You should pass it right away"
Obama said that 18 times in a 30 minute speech. Hypnotize much, BO?
Obama said that 18 times in a 30 minute speech. Hypnotize much, BO?
sluggy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,106
@214,084 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
I tried to convince all my ffiends, but they were too busy showing how not racist they are.
In his defense though, he's facing unprecedented opposition from republicans. They're actively trying to fuck the country to win the presidency. It's been there strategy since he took office. One of the criticisms you hear about huntsmen is how he helped obama's agenda. Bohner even said that he could see a reason to put partisan politics aside during times of war, like WW2, but not now.
Our country is screwed. We're going to collapse. It's inevitable. I really hope I'm dead before it happens.
I tried to convince all my ffiends, but they were too busy showing how not racist they are.
In his defense though, he's facing unprecedented opposition from republicans. They're actively trying to fuck the country to win the presidency. It's been there strategy since he took office. One of the criticisms you hear about huntsmen is how he helped obama's agenda. Bohner even said that he could see a reason to put partisan politics aside during times of war, like WW2, but not now.
Our country is screwed. We're going to collapse. It's inevitable. I really hope I'm dead before it happens.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #214,109
@214,084 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
So sad. We could've had 2 for the price of one all over again. America is fucking stupid. And the niggers don't help either.
So sad. We could've had 2 for the price of one all over again. America is fucking stupid. And the niggers don't help either.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,115
If you're happy and you know it, pass my bill.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,116
Seems like the only opposition was a senator pandering to oil (which is a big pull in her state) and a guy that says he'll only support tax raises. It's pretty common for a few member from either party not to fully back everything their party does, but right now is not the time to go against your own party, not with the Republicans unifying on everything so well. Our two party systems sucks, and its obviously failing us, I'm not sure how much blame Obama can take for that, but it is his job to bring at least his party together. Its really a fun time to be interested in politics, I've never seen anything quite like what's going on right now between the two parties, I dunno where its headed. I'd hoped the people would get sick of the Republicans' shit, but it just doesn't seem to be happening. :-/
I skimmed the article the first time, obviously there is more opposition to the bill within the Democratic party than the two people I mentioned. Sigh... typical Washington, do nothing.
I skimmed the article the first time, obviously there is more opposition to the bill within the Democratic party than the two people I mentioned. Sigh... typical Washington, do nothing.
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Ks !KansasxqvM double-posted this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,118
Earlier in the week, David Axelrod, the president’s top political adviser, said in an interview with “Good Morning America†that the White House was “not in negotiation to break up†Mr. Obama’s bill, and that Congress would not have an option for an “à la carte menu.â€
I like this idea., all or none basically. It would better go all out or go home, so much shit gets fucked by Congress before it passes (healthcare bill). I always rage a little when they talk about the cost, yes its going to cost, but its for the American people, Congress has no problem spending far, far more on wars for other people.
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cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,119
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Yeah, the healthcare bill got royally fucked in committee, and Obama was basically MIA while the special interests had their way with it. I'd like to see Obama stand behind something, but he doesn't seem to have it in him to do so... would much prefer to give a speech, whine, run and hide.
Yeah, the healthcare bill got royally fucked in committee, and Obama was basically MIA while the special interests had their way with it. I'd like to see Obama stand behind something, but he doesn't seem to have it in him to do so... would much prefer to give a speech, whine, run and hide.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,120
@214,116 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Solution is simple really. All that has to happen is for us to make 4 parties instead of 2. The Democrats can split into the Communists and the Progressives. And the Republicans can split into the Libertarians and the Fascists.
Our system is broken because Communists and Progressives never agree, neither do Libertarians and Fascists.
Solution is simple really. All that has to happen is for us to make 4 parties instead of 2. The Democrats can split into the Communists and the Progressives. And the Republicans can split into the Libertarians and the Fascists.
Our system is broken because Communists and Progressives never agree, neither do Libertarians and Fascists.
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Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,121
@214,119 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
> would much prefer to give a speech, whine, run and hide.
I lol'd.
> I'd like to see Obama stand behind something
It looks like he's going to stand behind this. That's why that quote interested me so much.
> would much prefer to give a speech, whine, run and hide.
I lol'd.
> I'd like to see Obama stand behind something
It looks like he's going to stand behind this. That's why that quote interested me so much.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,122
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
I would be impressed if so! But how likely is it at this point? He's lost the faith of the country and his party. I don't see how he could get any support...
I would be impressed if so! But how likely is it at this point? He's lost the faith of the country and his party. I don't see how he could get any support...
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,123
@214,120 (G)
Many of the problems in Government exist because the people that tend to be interested the most in politics, also happen to be the most extreme in whatever direction, this leads to (basically) a room full of people with completely different ideas trying to agree on something, in the end even if they compromise, nobody is happy and its something that accomplishes essentially nothing, except wasting money and time. We have those problems even before all the corruption etc comes into play.
Many of the problems in Government exist because the people that tend to be interested the most in politics, also happen to be the most extreme in whatever direction, this leads to (basically) a room full of people with completely different ideas trying to agree on something, in the end even if they compromise, nobody is happy and its something that accomplishes essentially nothing, except wasting money and time. We have those problems even before all the corruption etc comes into play.
Ks !KansasxqvM double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,125
@214,122 (cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w)
I really hope he stand behind it as well, I'd rather see him fail than see some mangled bill go through that doesn't do shit and wastes everyone's time and money.
I really hope he stand behind it as well, I'd rather see him fail than see some mangled bill go through that doesn't do shit and wastes everyone's time and money.
cccuuunnttt !nIGga.SL0w (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,127
@214,123 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
You have the ideologues, but then you also have the narcissists who are in it primarily for ego/gratification. Total fuckups personally, but so willing to compromise that quite a lot can get done.
You have the ideologues, but then you also have the narcissists who are in it primarily for ego/gratification. Total fuckups personally, but so willing to compromise that quite a lot can get done.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,128
@214,123 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Meh. That's a nice excuse but it has much more to do with money and influence. Look into the following and get back to me:
What percentage of Amercians actually contribute to political campaigns?
What percentage of a candidates total contributions come from the top quintile of contributors?
How often does the candidate who raised the most money ultimately win the election?
What's the correlation between advertising dollars spent and success on election night?
How often does the candidate who appears on television the most with the election?
See the real problem is this: A huge number of Americans (possibly the majority) are poorfags who never contribute a dime, sit home and watch television, and let people they don't even know tell them how to think.
Meh. That's a nice excuse but it has much more to do with money and influence. Look into the following and get back to me:
What percentage of Amercians actually contribute to political campaigns?
What percentage of a candidates total contributions come from the top quintile of contributors?
How often does the candidate who raised the most money ultimately win the election?
What's the correlation between advertising dollars spent and success on election night?
How often does the candidate who appears on television the most with the election?
See the real problem is this: A huge number of Americans (possibly the majority) are poorfags who never contribute a dime, sit home and watch television, and let people they don't even know tell them how to think.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #214,130
He just might be the first incumbent who does not gain his own parties nomination in 2012.