Topic: $15 minimum wage (USA) is no longer even enough to survive
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 year ago#117,819
Stupid ass Republicans have been arguing about $15/hour and blocking it for so damn long that it's no longer the lowest needed to survive. Now, the minimum wage needs to be about $25/hour. Stupid ass Republicans hate the poor.
dumbocrapt joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 8 minutes later[^][v]#1,295,985
That's exactly right, we need monetary instability and inflation so the numbers on our paychecks are bigger.
Anything but taking out the subtractions on the economy. The government can take materials and labor out across economy for no real costs because it's all made up!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,295,987
@previous (dumbocrapt)
The economy can absolutely absorb a higher minimum wage. And people earning it would have more buying power, which would help the economy.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 4 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,295,989
@previous (A)
It can absorb it by adding inflation.
The extra buying power is just bigger numbers that get matched by bigger numbers elsewhere.
Credits have value because they are rare. The minimum wage debate is to distract you from seizing the land and machines. Cut the labor force back in half by sequestering the kooks. Increase prison labor so prices come down. Red tape is most of the housing cost, and it's just there to give landlords a hand around your throat.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,295,990
@previous (B)
Nah. Corporations like McDonald's can easily afford it. And why don't the high salaries of CEOs ever get blamed for inflation? It's all bullshit. Raise the minimum wage.
23bitch !tSUV24M.jg joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,295,995
@1,295,993 (B)
They won't need to make up for it with price increases that match the increase in wages, so it's beneficial overall. When wages are increased in real life, this isn't a problem.
@previous (C)
The only works when labor unions are so widespread and powerful that they can effectively set the wages at a decent level.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 4 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,295,997
@previous (23bitch !tSUV24M.jg)
It works immediately. It's already illegal to use force to coerce labor. If I want to work for $3 per hour like disabled persons currently have the right to do, that's between me and my potential employer. Stay out of it.
> It's already illegal to use force to coerce labor.
Looks like you are indeed mentally challenged. Have you never heard of prison labor? Slavery is literally still allowed by the constitution as a punishment for felonies.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,296,000
@previous (23bitch !tSUV24M.jg)
Nope, never heard of it. Guess I'm retarded and quality for sub-minimum wage. Nice. Now stay out of my personal life, Nazi.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,296,006
@previous (B)
Exactly. Raising the minimum wage has zero benefit to the people. It should be abolished. Even if these "Fight for $25" idiots truly believe that it would benefit anyone, they need to realize that it cannot ever benefit those who are not currently employed. They're trying to pull up the ladder behind themselves. Short sighted "got mine" attitudes with these folk.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,296,008
@previous (C)
Half the time these frauds own stocks in the automation companies, and are trying to convince any idiot they can that it's in their own best interest.
boof joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,296,013
there has always been the need for free laboar, or even more preferred, laboar that pays the enterprising gentlemen for the opportunity to practice their virtuous work ethic
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,296,019
@1,295,993 (B)
Imagine simping for a multi billion dollar corporation
They don't have to raise prices. If the CEO whose entire net worth is built on the labor of other people only took home enough to buy 3 new yachts every year instead of 12, they could cover the increased wages. But gosh that'd be terrible wouldn't it? The slightest inconvenience to one person in exchange for changing the lives of thousands for the better? That isn't freedom
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,296,020
@previous (G)
That's not what will happen. The number on paychecks today is a lot more than the days when the union boys could buy a house, but it means nothing.
Corporations will do just fine by passing the costs on. You are buying into a strategy that will fail.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 1 year ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,296,099
Since when in America has minimum wage ever been enough to survive? Minimum wage jobs has never been more than pocket money for kids working after school or a part time supplimentary wage. Nobody with any sense has ever thought they could make a living off minimum wage. Get fucking real, quit whinning and get out and get a better job.
> Since when in America has minimum wage ever been enough to survive? Minimum wage jobs has never been more than pocket money for kids working after school or a part time supplimentary wage. Nobody with any sense has ever thought they could make a living off minimum wage. Get fucking real, quit whinning and get out and get a better job.
“Quit whining!!” You say while simultaneously bitching about people
> > Since when in America has minimum wage ever been enough to survive? Minimum wage jobs has never been more than pocket money for kids working after school or a part time supplimentary wage. Nobody with any sense has ever thought they could make a living off minimum wage. Get fucking real, quit whinning and get out and get a better job. > > “Quit whining!!” You say while simultaneously bitching about people
Learn the difference from stating a fact trying to bring some light to stupid people like yourself and whinning about not being able to survive on a minimum wage job. Some of you people on here, there is no way you could have completed 8th grade.
> many businesses run at more hours in the day than when students are available
So? If you need more than $15 an hour to live......get a better job. It's not hard to understand is it? Nobody can live on minimum wage. They never have been able to.
boof replied with this 1 year ago, 24 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,296,123
@1,296,115 (J)
if everyone could do that, then they would I expect. already as it is, companies import Filipinos to fill in these positions, because they are willing to live 20 men to a bunkhouse.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 year ago, 8 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,296,128
@previous (boof)
Many neolibs want a higher minimum wage so only the whites can get these jobs, while barring bipoc bodies from mutual trade of labor.
If you have to pay exorbitant wages you might as well hire the better fed applicant who has a car and some connections. For filipinos, it means joining the informal economy and experiencing even worse working conditions because no corporation can justify the expense.
> This is not true. And many of the jobs which pay a minimum wage are essential jobs.
Essential job? Come on. So?? It doesn't mean you have to work at them for God's sake! There are many paying jobs a lot more than 15 bucks an hour. Even school bus drivers start out at more than minimum. Facts are facts. There has never been a time in America when a person could live off of the minimum wage no matter what it was. They are nothing more than a supplimentary income just like social security, if you plan on living off SS you are not facing reakity. Never has social security been considered a retirement. It is nothing more than a suppliment for your retirement. Better face facts and starts worrying more about advancing in your career because I guarantee you the minimum wage is not going to catch up to you while you fuck around with those kind of jobs. That is reality.
> if everyone could do that, then they would I expect. already as it is, companies import Filipinos to fill in these positions, because they are willing to live 20 men to a bunkhouse.
So?? Does that mean you have to do that? Of course not. People bitching about minimum wage are people who can't or won't get out and work a good job or they aren't qualified to work one. And that isn't minimum wage's fault. It is their own fuck up in life.
Anonymous C replied with this 1 year ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,296,137
@1,296,119 (Jorge !l6aiEdTxng)
If they're essential jobs and companies determine a need to offer higher wages to stay staffed, then there's no need for a government mandated minimum wage. Thanks.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 1 year ago, 15 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,296,138
@1,296,115 (J)
Minimum wage was designed to be the minimum a person can live on. And "just get a better job" is stupid advice. If people could do that, they would.
In a world in which cheap labor is imported in order to fill these vacancies and propagate continous economic growth, companies do not feel the need to do so.
> Minimum wage was designed to be the minimum a person can live on. And "just get a better job" is stupid advice. If people could do that, they would.
Since when was its designed for that?? So say even if it was. You can look back on the numbers. Do you want to live your life at a minimum wage job? After I got out of high school I never worked a minimum wage job again. Why?? Because they don't pay enough. Instead of complaining on a forum where nobody gives a fuck and it won't make a difference anyhow, why don't you spend some effort in landing a good job. What can you do? A UPS driver now makes $49 an hour, they have good benefits and retirement. They syart you out at $28 an hour Or go to Roto Rooter, they hire apprentences on at $26 an hour.Maybe become a plumber. Within 5 years you can make $40 an hour. And that goes for about any plumbing company. On go out on your own subbing out you can make upwards of $60 an hour now. Find something you can do and just do it instead of whinning about something you aren't going to change.. There are plenty of good paying jobs out there starting at $25 an hour if you are willing to work. The government isn't going to raise the wage to fit your needs you are going to have to do that yourself.
> not good enough, society can do better than encourage sliding to shantytowns for the common folk
I'm just a common folk, but I also have common sense. Get out and better yourself, and quit relying on the government to provide a good paying job for you. It won't happen. You're just wasting time complaining about it.