Topic: AI tools are kind of a scam.
Anonymous A started this discussion 1 month ago #116,999
Why are they all subscription based? The free package only gives a certain number of free credits per day or a character limit for text. I thought this was suppose to "revolutionize industries" yet ain't nobody in this economy going to pay for something they could learn how to do themselves for free. AI tools are a scam.
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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #1,290,183
It's techno serfdom. You wanna use AI? Alright, choose the land/AI owner who you want to serve to use it.
Indie the Grate joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 36 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,184
@OPenis
Why do you care? Are you considering paying money for barely functioning trash software?
Why do you care? Are you considering paying money for barely functioning trash software?
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 29 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,185
Everything is a sodding subscription nowadays.
I miss when you could buy Photoshop outright.
I miss when you could buy Photoshop outright.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 25 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,188
How much did it cost to get a dev to write the same code?
I've seen junior devs spend all day reading docs, tweaking scripts, chatting with coworkers about non-work-related nonsense, and shitting on the clock.
Entry pay was $60k, which doesn't include payroll taxes, insurance, rent for their share of the office, and the time they wasted of even more expensive devs. That was pre-pandemic, juniors have to cost more than $100k when you include all the expenses now. Rent went up 50% in two years, and staff isn't sticking around if they don't get a similar raise.
Paying $20/month to offload some of that to AI is orders of magnitude cheaper, they could charge much more and it would still be worth it.
I've seen junior devs spend all day reading docs, tweaking scripts, chatting with coworkers about non-work-related nonsense, and shitting on the clock.
Entry pay was $60k, which doesn't include payroll taxes, insurance, rent for their share of the office, and the time they wasted of even more expensive devs. That was pre-pandemic, juniors have to cost more than $100k when you include all the expenses now. Rent went up 50% in two years, and staff isn't sticking around if they don't get a similar raise.
Paying $20/month to offload some of that to AI is orders of magnitude cheaper, they could charge much more and it would still be worth it.
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 36 seconds later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,189
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,190
@1,290,183 (B)
There are open models you can run on your own machine, you aren't forced to use saas.
People pay the subscription because the UI is more convenient, the model is better, and you don't need to dedicate/maintain your own equipment.
There are open models you can run on your own machine, you aren't forced to use saas.
People pay the subscription because the UI is more convenient, the model is better, and you don't need to dedicate/maintain your own equipment.
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,191
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,192
@previous (B)
Yes.
If you really want the independence, you can DIY but it wouldn't be cheaper.
It's daft to complain about paying $20/month for a service that can automate away thousands of dollars per month, even for non-dev work.
Yes.
If you really want the independence, you can DIY but it wouldn't be cheaper.
It's daft to complain about paying $20/month for a service that can automate away thousands of dollars per month, even for non-dev work.
Indie the Grate replied with this 1 month ago, 30 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,195
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,203
@1,290,192 (E)
The speculation is about the development and future of subscription models, much like rent, it could spiral out of control. Can a responsible person just get their shit together and build their own house to escape rent? Perhaps, but for one reason or another, most of them don't.
The speculation is about the development and future of subscription models, much like rent, it could spiral out of control. Can a responsible person just get their shit together and build their own house to escape rent? Perhaps, but for one reason or another, most of them don't.
Indie the Grate replied with this 1 month ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,204
@previous (B)
What makes you think anyone will ever give that much of a shit about "AI"? Are you that robot sex guy from a few weeks ago?
What makes you think anyone will ever give that much of a shit about "AI"? Are you that robot sex guy from a few weeks ago?
Anonymous B replied with this 1 month ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,205
Indie the Grate replied with this 1 month ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,208
@previous (B)
People whom think with their brains don't display a near-religious obsession with broken and barely usable LLM crapware. Thanks.
People whom think with their brains don't display a near-religious obsession with broken and barely usable LLM crapware. Thanks.
Anonymous E replied with this 1 month ago, 3 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,241
@1,290,203 (B)
You can't just build your own house, you need land.
Anyone could rent a VPS to run their own model, and computing has only been cheaper over time.
How is a company going to raise prices when any other company could throw Grok/Llama on a VPS and sell the service for less? It's too easy to compete. There's already several competitors, and no one has bothered to sell access to an open model yet.
The only way to raise prices and keep customers is by adding a lot of value, or relying on lazy customers who don't shop around.
You can't just build your own house, you need land.
Anyone could rent a VPS to run their own model, and computing has only been cheaper over time.
How is a company going to raise prices when any other company could throw Grok/Llama on a VPS and sell the service for less? It's too easy to compete. There's already several competitors, and no one has bothered to sell access to an open model yet.
The only way to raise prices and keep customers is by adding a lot of value, or relying on lazy customers who don't shop around.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 1 month ago, 7 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,290,285
