Topic: Have you watched the Aaron Bushnell video?
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago #116,422
It's hard to watch.
Indie the Grate joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 40 minutes later[^] [v] #1,285,546
@OPenis
Yes, every version I've seen so far is blurred out.
Yes, every version I've seen so far is blurred out.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,550
@previous (Indie the Grate)
Uncensored version here (NSFL): https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1708930634974764.webm
Uncensored version here (NSFL): https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1708930634974764.webm
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,552
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,554
I don't understand why they take people like that to the hospital. Isn't the basis of medical treatment supposed to be contingent on consent? This is clearly someone that no longer wishes to live. Not only that, but this is someone that is making a political statement as their final act. Let him. He is not harming anyone. Trying to disrupt this is so unbelievably disrespectful, and a violation of his rights and integrity as a human being.
Also seriously fuck that police officer that ran over with his gun drawn. I have no question the world would be better off without him.
Also seriously fuck that police officer that ran over with his gun drawn. I have no question the world would be better off without him.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,572
@previous (D)
> I don't understand why they take people like that to the hospital.
Where do you suggest they take his charred, smoking but still living body? Just leave it in the street till he finally expires?
And the Hippocratic Oath doesn't have a Do Not Resuscitate clause for political acts.
> I don't understand why they take people like that to the hospital.
Where do you suggest they take his charred, smoking but still living body? Just leave it in the street till he finally expires?
And the Hippocratic Oath doesn't have a Do Not Resuscitate clause for political acts.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,583
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
> Where do you suggest they take his charred, smoking but still living body? Just leave it in the street till he finally expires?
He would've died very quickly if people didn't run over with fire extinguishers. Also no idea what the guy holding him at gun point was thinking. "You MUST stay alive, but also, I will kill you without one second of thought if the slightest amount of fear enters my mind." It's almost funny.
> And the Hippocratic Oath doesn't have a Do Not Resuscitate clause for political acts.
Forcing medical treatment on someone, denying them any agency, is harm. That is the oath. To not cause harm. "I swear by Apollo Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, ..."
Instead of dying within what would've taken literally minutes, they extinguished the fire and did everything they could to revive him. For what purpose? So he could live a few more hours or days in excruciating pain? Why? Because you and society at large are so uncomfortable with death, you demand he suffer unimaginable amounts of pain all so you can avoid your own irrational fear of your own ultimate fates.
I don't even believe you're putting up a good faith argument or believe what you're saying whatsoever. It's just, sadly, many do believe what you're saying.
> Where do you suggest they take his charred, smoking but still living body? Just leave it in the street till he finally expires?
He would've died very quickly if people didn't run over with fire extinguishers. Also no idea what the guy holding him at gun point was thinking. "You MUST stay alive, but also, I will kill you without one second of thought if the slightest amount of fear enters my mind." It's almost funny.
> And the Hippocratic Oath doesn't have a Do Not Resuscitate clause for political acts.
Forcing medical treatment on someone, denying them any agency, is harm. That is the oath. To not cause harm. "I swear by Apollo Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, ..."
Instead of dying within what would've taken literally minutes, they extinguished the fire and did everything they could to revive him. For what purpose? So he could live a few more hours or days in excruciating pain? Why? Because you and society at large are so uncomfortable with death, you demand he suffer unimaginable amounts of pain all so you can avoid your own irrational fear of your own ultimate fates.
I don't even believe you're putting up a good faith argument or believe what you're saying whatsoever. It's just, sadly, many do believe what you're saying.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,588
@1,285,554 (D)> Also seriously fuck that police officer that ran over with his gun drawn.
That part was odd. As if he's going to be able to calmly comply. I chuckled at "I don't need guns—I need fire extinguishers!" from the other officer.
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,589
@1,285,583 (D)
Everything else aside, they were working with zero insight into his state of mind. How were they meant to know he wasn't seriously mentally ill, or forced into the act by some third party, or profoundly intellectually challenged and not expecting to die, etc.?
Everything else aside, they were working with zero insight into his state of mind. How were they meant to know he wasn't seriously mentally ill, or forced into the act by some third party, or profoundly intellectually challenged and not expecting to die, etc.?
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 39 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,594
Of course I have not watched it
Indie the Grate replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,596
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Anonymous F replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,609
@previous (Indie the Grate)
Of course. Not to deflect the "deflection" but I would like to say it's wise not to see things like that, doesn't do you any good.
Of course. Not to deflect the "deflection" but I would like to say it's wise not to see things like that, doesn't do you any good.
Indie the Grate replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,610
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,617
@previous (Indie the Grate)
its good advice
any nation should see its moral duty to use force to stop israel at this point
altho the us does bad things to its ppl too but thats harder to fix
its good advice
any nation should see its moral duty to use force to stop israel at this point
altho the us does bad things to its ppl too but thats harder to fix
Anonymous F replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,619
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 6 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,664
@1,285,588 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Maybe he had a bomb controller in his hand and needs headshot before he can set it off
Maybe he had a bomb controller in his hand and needs headshot before he can set it off
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,666
@previous (H)
> Maybe he had a bomb controller in his hand and needs headshot before he can set it off
Do you recommend the police apply that rationale to everyone whose hands they can't see?
> Maybe he had a bomb controller in his hand and needs headshot before he can set it off
Do you recommend the police apply that rationale to everyone whose hands they can't see?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,669
ACAB. They are all murderous pigs.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,675
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,684
@1,285,589 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Everything else aside, they were working with zero insight into his state of mind. How were they meant to know he wasn't seriously mentally ill, or forced into the act by some third party, or profoundly intellectually challenged and not expecting to die, etc.?
This is a profoundly bad take. Most legal systems work, or at least pretend to work, on the presumption of innocence.
You shouldn't need to prove that you're not committing a crime and you shouldn't need to prove that you're of sound mind. I reject the idea that suicide is a crime right out the gate.
Beyond that, I also don't think what he did is a strong enough suggestion that he was mentally ill. And there's absolutely no indication that he was trying to harm anyone else. He didn't have any weapons and there was no reason to believe that he did in that moment either.
Many of us have or at least believe we have something to live for and going out like that would be a sign we're not of sound mind. But we don't know if he had anything to live for. We don't know if his existence wasn't filled entirely with suffering. Same could be said for his future.
Suicide may've been the most reasonable choice.
Whether you, I, or anyone agrees with his statement and whether or not anyone believes it was an effective way to make it, is irrelevant. With or without the statement it may've been quite reasonable for him to kill himself. His statement may've only been a bonus.
> Everything else aside, they were working with zero insight into his state of mind. How were they meant to know he wasn't seriously mentally ill, or forced into the act by some third party, or profoundly intellectually challenged and not expecting to die, etc.?
This is a profoundly bad take. Most legal systems work, or at least pretend to work, on the presumption of innocence.
You shouldn't need to prove that you're not committing a crime and you shouldn't need to prove that you're of sound mind. I reject the idea that suicide is a crime right out the gate.
Beyond that, I also don't think what he did is a strong enough suggestion that he was mentally ill. And there's absolutely no indication that he was trying to harm anyone else. He didn't have any weapons and there was no reason to believe that he did in that moment either.
Many of us have or at least believe we have something to live for and going out like that would be a sign we're not of sound mind. But we don't know if he had anything to live for. We don't know if his existence wasn't filled entirely with suffering. Same could be said for his future.
Suicide may've been the most reasonable choice.
Whether you, I, or anyone agrees with his statement and whether or not anyone believes it was an effective way to make it, is irrelevant. With or without the statement it may've been quite reasonable for him to kill himself. His statement may've only been a bonus.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,686
@previous (D)
Do you think there's a chance we could convince more of his ilk to burn themselves alive?
Do you think there's a chance we could convince more of his ilk to burn themselves alive?
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,688
@1,285,684 (D)
I do think that sometimes suicide is a reasonable choice. I dont like how we as a society treat it as a crime or major taboo
I do think that sometimes suicide is a reasonable choice. I dont like how we as a society treat it as a crime or major taboo
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 47 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,692
who knew a man liteing himself on fire...would start so many flame wars,,,
Anonymous H replied with this 2 years ago, 57 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,697
His Reddit history is lol
Queen Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,701
The fact that the officer in white literally had to yell at the cops that he 'didn't need guns, he needed a fire extinguisher' says a lot about American police.
Anonymous K double-posted this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,703
Anonymous J replied with this 2 years ago, 36 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,708
@1,285,701 (Queen Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
> The fact that the officer in white literally had to yell at the cops that he 'didn't need guns, he needed a fire extinguisher' says a lot about American police.
yeah it also says a lot about him being a retard killing himself
> The fact that the officer in white literally had to yell at the cops that he 'didn't need guns, he needed a fire extinguisher' says a lot about American police.
yeah it also says a lot about him being a retard killing himself
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,712
Sometimes I wonder if the person writing Bert's posts is intentionally creating an artistic work of ironic satire.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 29 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,718
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Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,751
@1,285,684 (D)
Your neighbor doesn't have a right to burn tires and let the smoke drift into your yard, should that change just because the victim is a jew?
Your neighbor doesn't have a right to burn tires and let the smoke drift into your yard, should that change just because the victim is a jew?
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,756
@previous (M)
Don't Jews have a good fragrance to them? I thought that's why we turned them into soap not that long ago.
Talking about the women though. Not the men. That'd be gay and fucked up.
Don't Jews have a good fragrance to them? I thought that's why we turned them into soap not that long ago.
Talking about the women though. Not the men. That'd be gay and fucked up.
Anonymous M replied with this 2 years ago, 14 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,762
@previous (D)
Your typical jewish american princess will hire a fragrance specialist, the jews in this building were levantese heebs that probably do not smell so good.
Your typical jewish american princess will hire a fragrance specialist, the jews in this building were levantese heebs that probably do not smell so good.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 years ago, 15 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,896
@1,285,718 (L)
His account has been wiped (Reddit often does this with mass murderers and violent political extremists so nobody can notice how Reddit users enable and encourage them) but his username was acebush1 and I heard there are archives on the net somewhere.
His account has been wiped (Reddit often does this with mass murderers and violent political extremists so nobody can notice how Reddit users enable and encourage them) but his username was acebush1 and I heard there are archives on the net somewhere.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,285,947
@previous (H)
I think it's more so the news can spin the story however they please and not be needlessly constrained by what actually happened.
I think it's more so the news can spin the story however they please and not be needlessly constrained by what actually happened.
Anonymous G replied with this 2 years ago, 11 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,286,040
@1,285,684 (D)
having something worth dying for is also a reason for sound mind
at least we know he wasnt some selfish idiot doing it for dumb purposes
@1,285,719 (L)
thats not a leftist take its dumb radlib crap
having something worth dying for is also a reason for sound mind
at least we know he wasnt some selfish idiot doing it for dumb purposes
@1,285,719 (L)
thats not a leftist take its dumb radlib crap