Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,813
@1,285,810 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
An 8 second clip of a man stuttering who has suffered from stuttering his entire life is hardly the proof you think it is.
Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc replied with this 2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,818
@previous (E)
Shall I post clips of him claiming to have conversations with more dead people than the kid from Sixth Sense? Is that a by-product of his stutter too?
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,822
@1,285,818 (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Sure, feel free. I'm sure those clips too are concrete proof and totally not cherry picked and taken out of context to make them seem far worse than they really are.
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,825
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
I wouldn't call looking at context bending over backwards. If you have any sort of proof of your claim I would be more than happy to see it.
> If you have any sort of proof of your claim I would be more than happy to see it.
Nah, you wouldn't. You'd put on an Olympian display of mental gymnastics. Cicero said "you are what you despise". Nowhere is this demonstrated better than with the anti-Trump cult.
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,832
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
If it was as obvious as you claim you'd be overflowing with irrefutable proof. But so far you've come up with one admittedly humorous, but cherry picked and context free, 8 second clip lmao
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,836
@previous (Father Dave !RsSxeehGwc)
Mixing up names of world leaders is an unfortunate mistake, especially twice in a row, but I wouldn't push that solely as reason to believe he is not cognitively sound. If speaking with 100% accuracy in every situation is a requirement to be considered cognitively sound, not one president in history was ever cognitively sound.
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,862
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
He didn't refuse it, nor is it typical at all for presidents to take it or be asked to. I know you didn't say that it is, but that seems to be what you're implying. Trump only took it because he insisted that his doctor give it to him so he could "prove" how smart he was.
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,865
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Historically speaking yeah it's odd, but I think it's just a symptom of the times we're in right now. Debates are supposed to help voters learn more about the views of candidates so they can decide who to vote for. I think most people know who they're going to vote for, and likely won't be brought to the other side by a debate.
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,867
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Kook, I expect Meta and Dave to engage with all the right wing alternative facts out there but I thought you were smarter than that.
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,871
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Because it's being pushed almost exclusively by far right outlets like Fox News, relying on misleading and cherry picked clips like the one Dave shared earlier in this thread.
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,873
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
You aren't a doctor, kook. Having spent several years working with old people in general, he just acts like a normal old man. There's not a debate because there's no one for him to debate; no serious candidates are running against him in the primaries. And why would Trump debate him when he won't even debate during his party's primaries? The fact that you link the lack of debates to Biden's mental state is so incredibly nonsensical.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,879
@previous (E)
The way he moves, the way his face looks when he talks
The way he walks. The way he's lead put by the hand off stage
The way his mind wanders during speeches
The way he handles a change in routine
Just so many things
He used to be sharp as a tack and quick. When he was running as vice president with Obama he was doing laps around that Ryan guy. He was absolutely sharp and funny and with it
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,883
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > The way he moves, the way his face looks when he talks > The way he walks
Can you be more specific on these?
> The way he's lead put by the hand off stage
I saw the video you're referring to. He was holding his wife's hand and they were walking together, hardly being lead out. Holding hands with your wife isn't a sign of dementia.
> The way his mind wanders during speeches
Speeches are written and planned out beforehand.
> The way he handles a change in routine
Can you elaborate? How are you familiar with his routines?
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,886
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > His way of barely opening his mouth when he speaks
What on earth are you even talking about lmao. He opens his mouth like a normal person. From a brief google search this doesn't seem like a reported symptom of dementia anyway.
> His zombie walk
Also what even
> The way he gets turned around on stage
On his way out and in he often turns a lot to wave and such. Sounds like another instance of far right media taking random clips out of context to smear him. But if you have any specific examples feel free to post them.
> Yeah and he loses his train of thought frequently during these planned speeches
Does he?
> By routine I mean if something unexpected happens during an event
Such as?
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,888
@previous (E)
Are you trolling or do you honestly think that Joe Biden is not on a rollercoaster downslope of cognitive decline and is fit for office? It's hard to watch
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,890
@1,285,888 (J)
He's an old man and acts like it. Ideal for president? Of course not, old people tend to be out of touch with what society at large wants. Fit for office? I really don't see anything that makes me doubt that.
Anonymous E double-posted this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,893
@1,285,889 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > I don't know how yo explain the mannerisms to you. Either you've seen them or you haven't
If you can't explain them, then I don't believe that you understand them or their significance.
> And he gets turned around on stage and people literally lead him to the podium > Yes he loses his train of thought. He even says out loud, let me get my head straight and similar things > Recently someone was on stage with him and made a comment and he was gobsmacked
Once again, feel free to show examples, because the only examples I've seen are the cherry picked ones lacking context that Fox News loves so much. The ones that fall apart when you watch the whole thing and aren't actively looking for things you can categorize as proof of dementia. If you're trying so hard to look for it, you can find it anywhere in any person.
> There's a reason he won't debate
Who exactly do you want him to debate?
> Fit for office? I really don't see anything that makes me doubt that.
Like I said, you guys are a cult. There is no amount or type of evidence that could be presented to you and your imaginary gay buddy who got his head caved in in Moscow that would convince you that you're wrong. The task of democracy is not to reason with people like you (a waste of time) but rather to make sure you're out-numbered.
Anonymous K replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,938
@previous (E)
Sure there is, you could simply watch the entirety of the events the clips originate from, since you desire more context. But I assure you, despite the sensational headlines, it still always looks bad in the original context
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,940
@previous (K)
I do and you're wrong, my friend. I'm always very curious when I see the next big "Biden is losing it!!!" shitposts online. They are literally never what the sensationalized clickbait has you believe.
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,946
@previous (K)
You're right. However, watching the original video for context and seeing that the clip's content was being grossly misrepresented, does mean that nothing happened and what you saw is normal.
> Historically speaking yeah it's odd, but I think it's just a symptom of the times we're in right now. Debates are supposed to help voters learn more about the views of candidates so they can decide who to vote for. I think most people know who they're going to vote for, and likely won't be brought to the other side by a debate.
I do actually agree with this. I really doubt an uninformed voter could learn much of substance in the 1-2 minute snippets given for answers on what are invariably complicated questions. Itβs like trying to learn by reading Twitter arguments. I myself do not watch or care about them for that reason.
Maybe 100 years ago it had some kind of point but it no longer does.
> Shall I post clips of him claiming to have conversations with more dead people than the kid from Sixth Sense? Is that a by-product of his stutter too?
Anonymous K replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,956
@1,285,953 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Even Twitter has long form posts now that can give you more information than a 1 minute debate response with several people yelling over each other and begging the moderator to silence the other
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,959
@1,285,953 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I mean, this is all assuming there is a meaningful difference between the two platforms beyond the canned catchphrase answers. All the major donors fund both parties.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 53 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,285,964
@previous (B)
Decent speech is ~120 words/min. Iβm not sure how many characters are in a word on average but 5 characters was counted as a βwordβ for calculating WPM in typing class. So ~1,250 characters would be needed to equal a 2 minute debate response.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,286,000
@1,285,969 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Oh yeah. I personally think thereβs a good chance Biden would have a Mitch McConnell moment or worse on national television if he had a general election debate with Trump and I would very much like to see that happen but I think everyoneβs long since made up their minds and a debate would prove nothing to anyone (unless something seriously bad happens obviously).
Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,286,001
Also I think having either Democratic or Republican primaries/debates is beyond retarded at this point so I donβt fault either candidate for skipping the charade this time around.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,286,002
No idea why the US even has elections at this point.
Ought to just vote directly on the laws. $1 = 1 vote. The most votes wins. Isn't that already how it works? Not sure why it matters who signs a bill into law.