Topic: Why do record companies need musicians?
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago #115,951
Now that AI can create music in seconds what reason is there for the RIAA to share their hard earned money with whatever lowlife druggie picks up a guitar?Create a new top 40 every day, keep it topical, and follow the trends as soon as they happen.
boof joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 24 minutes later[^] [v] #1,281,144
I have put off buying some music, waiting for the lowlife druggie to keel over before even indirectly giving the cartels my fucking money
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 23 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,147
@OP
You seem upset.
You seem upset.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,148
@previous (C)
You have sincerely embarrassed yourself and there is no way to undo it. It would be best for you to search for a different community, as you will never regain the respect you had here. Allow me to offer some advice: improve your ability to conceal your true nature. As human beings, it is ingrained in us to distance ourselves from psychopathic or sociopathic behavior. Do not anticipate being able to repeat what you did in this situation elsewhere without facing the same consequences.
You have sincerely embarrassed yourself and there is no way to undo it. It would be best for you to search for a different community, as you will never regain the respect you had here. Allow me to offer some advice: improve your ability to conceal your true nature. As human beings, it is ingrained in us to distance ourselves from psychopathic or sociopathic behavior. Do not anticipate being able to repeat what you did in this situation elsewhere without facing the same consequences.
Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,149
dw !p9hU6ckyqw joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,152
because people prefer good music
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,154
@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
This is already as good as many amateur musicians, and it's getting better exponentially. It didn't exist a year ago.
No one will be able to tell the real and fake apart, just like AI text or images, and then half the business will be eaten overnight.
Low budget commercials, elevator music, background songs for retail, and other venues where people aren't there for the music will go first.
It won't be long after that it starts encroaching on places with higher standards.
This is already as good as many amateur musicians, and it's getting better exponentially. It didn't exist a year ago.
No one will be able to tell the real and fake apart, just like AI text or images, and then half the business will be eaten overnight.
Low budget commercials, elevator music, background songs for retail, and other venues where people aren't there for the music will go first.
It won't be long after that it starts encroaching on places with higher standards.
Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,157
@1,281,152 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
OP is still trying to cope with the fact that zhey blew half a million dollars on hardware to produce AI generated shit that no one wants or cares about. Likely the hardware is non-refundable, so now we have to deal with an endless barrage of threads as zhey suffer through the mental breakdown. Just let zhem. It'll blow over in a few weeks to years.
OP is still trying to cope with the fact that zhey blew half a million dollars on hardware to produce AI generated shit that no one wants or cares about. Likely the hardware is non-refundable, so now we have to deal with an endless barrage of threads as zhey suffer through the mental breakdown. Just let zhem. It'll blow over in a few weeks to years.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,170
dw !p9hU6ckyqw double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,171
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 9 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,216
@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
Just because it isn't good today doesn't mean it won't be good in a few months. It's getting better very fast. It was hardly recognizable as a song a few months ago.
Just because it isn't good today doesn't mean it won't be good in a few months. It's getting better very fast. It was hardly recognizable as a song a few months ago.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,219
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,220
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,221
Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,222
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,226
@1,281,157 (C)
I dont think that anyone here owns that hardware
You certainly don't need it to make anime girls
I dont think that anyone here owns that hardware
You certainly don't need it to make anime girls
Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,228
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 28 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,232
Might happen eventually especially with the more formulaic genres of music but there will always be demand for human creativity that machines will never fully replace.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,234
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Why not?
You could generate songs, and have a human face for them claiming they made the songs, people won't know the difference.
It already works this way to a degree. Labels find a nice face, write some lyrics to meet market demand, autotune their music, handpick band members, and then advertise it. All that will change is that they can generate the instrumental and vocals now.
Why not?
You could generate songs, and have a human face for them claiming they made the songs, people won't know the difference.
It already works this way to a degree. Labels find a nice face, write some lyrics to meet market demand, autotune their music, handpick band members, and then advertise it. All that will change is that they can generate the instrumental and vocals now.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 38 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,236
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 39 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,238
@1,281,234 (A)
Because there is no intentionality behind it and music is fundamentally a form of artistic expression. You can have all the AI generated whatever and people will still write songs about love or death or joy or religious experience or what have you. And people will connect with that even if there is a lot of AI generated songs about the same topics.
Because there is no intentionality behind it and music is fundamentally a form of artistic expression. You can have all the AI generated whatever and people will still write songs about love or death or joy or religious experience or what have you. And people will connect with that even if there is a lot of AI generated songs about the same topics.
Indie the Grate joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,239
Just build a Eurorack modular synth and listen to self playing Krell patches all day. That's what I do.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 8 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,240
@1,281,236 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
@1,281,238 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
What about the ai generated porn, the porn that people stroke their COCKS too? Is that not one example of what thee argue against?
@1,281,238 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
What about the ai generated porn, the porn that people stroke their COCKS too? Is that not one example of what thee argue against?
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,241
@previous (H)
There is no intentionality behind it and porn is fundamentally a form of artistic expression. You can have all the AI generated whatever and people will still shoot porn about love or death or joy or religious experience or what have you. And people will connect with that even if there is a lot of AI generated porn about the same topics.
There is no intentionality behind it and porn is fundamentally a form of artistic expression. You can have all the AI generated whatever and people will still shoot porn about love or death or joy or religious experience or what have you. And people will connect with that even if there is a lot of AI generated porn about the same topics.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw double-posted this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,242
also why would you need record companies in this imagined future
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,243
Anonymous H replied with this 2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,244
@1,281,241 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
I think that's true. It will probably still exist, but just like hand sewing (knitting?) does as a hobby for most people. It's just going to be way more practical to use the machine
I think that's true. It will probably still exist, but just like hand sewing (knitting?) does as a hobby for most people. It's just going to be way more practical to use the machine
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,281,249
@1,281,236 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
How is this not "real" music? If a machine built your chair do you insist it's not a real chair?
@1,281,238 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Because there is no intentionality behind it
That only matters if the listener knows. Tell them an AI made something a human made, and people will consistently talk about how it lacks substance. Tell them a human made something an AI made, and they will praise it. This has been shown over and over.
> and music is fundamentally a form of artistic expression.
Expressing what? A bot can make up a story that sounds as real as a story that a human actually had. There's no way to differentiate the two, even though people insist they can.
> You can have all the AI generated whatever and people will still write songs about love or death or joy or religious experience or what have you.
Yes, of course. Just as other technology didn't eliminate the things that came before, but handmade goods are a smaller segment of the consumed goods regardless.
The majority of people listen to corporate-produced music, not local indie bands. The majority of people will be listening to AI produced music, and a few will insist on listening to (what they believe is) human made music primarily.
> And people will connect with that even if there is a lot of AI generated songs about the same topics.
How will they know, when people are already unable to tell ai generated images and text from the real thing? AI images have won competitions, and authors have admitted later they used it for their novels.
How is this not "real" music? If a machine built your chair do you insist it's not a real chair?
@1,281,238 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Because there is no intentionality behind it
That only matters if the listener knows. Tell them an AI made something a human made, and people will consistently talk about how it lacks substance. Tell them a human made something an AI made, and they will praise it. This has been shown over and over.
> and music is fundamentally a form of artistic expression.
Expressing what? A bot can make up a story that sounds as real as a story that a human actually had. There's no way to differentiate the two, even though people insist they can.
> You can have all the AI generated whatever and people will still write songs about love or death or joy or religious experience or what have you.
Yes, of course. Just as other technology didn't eliminate the things that came before, but handmade goods are a smaller segment of the consumed goods regardless.
The majority of people listen to corporate-produced music, not local indie bands. The majority of people will be listening to AI produced music, and a few will insist on listening to (what they believe is) human made music primarily.
> And people will connect with that even if there is a lot of AI generated songs about the same topics.
How will they know, when people are already unable to tell ai generated images and text from the real thing? AI images have won competitions, and authors have admitted later they used it for their novels.