Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago#115,741
I want no borders too. When I say Communist, I don't mean people forced to work on collective farms. I mean sharing resources voluntarily. We can still earn money and have jobs we prefer.
Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,278,612
@previous (B)
Communists said the same thing about mechanization, and it didn't work.
Automation is happening faster than ever right now, and scarcity mentality hasn't gone away. Consumers getting cheaper products from automation still compete for resources, and the owners of automation equipment have all they need to survive, yet are more competitive than the average person.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,278,613
@previous (C)
People said the same thing about flight.
Here you are having a conversation with someone, or perhaps something, that you have no good reason to believe is human. It's absurd to pretend like the world has never changed and never will.
Maybe it's time to start asking why the scarcity mindset hasn't gone away. Maybe for you it never will.
Max Planck said something to the effect of: science progresses one funeral at a time. I say this as I communicate to you with electrons.
That's not the disagreement, obviously the world changes. It's changing very rapidly.
Communism was created in the 1800s, and you still expect it to fit the world we have today.
Dictatorship of the proletariat is a nonsense idea when their leverage gets lost at the same time they are replaced by the automation you mentioned.
State monopolies didn't work, and the societies that embraced them competed with the capitalist nations for resources and diplomatic power and lost. This is even though mechanization was improving outputs in the communist countries. When both were benefiting from technological advance, the system that could innovate won out.
Trade unions and political parties are becoming obsolete. How you distribute resources to an egotistical species of ape that has no competitive advantage over the machines is irrelevant to which empire wins the battles of the future.
You might as well be advocating for a more just feudal system, it will be as relevant a philosophy when the machines repurpose your carbon.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,278,616
@previous (C)
I never claimed to support communism. I've said 3 sentences about what I think, back in my first post in this thread. No need to respond to stuff I never said or believe, you can just ask me what I think. If you don't care, then don't. Maybe OP wants to discuss communism with you, but I don't. There's no point in the two of us agreeing that we both disagree with something.