Topic: The government paid for my Paxlovid prescription
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago #115,502
Usually costs $1,000. I love socialism!
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #1,275,726
It's doubly ironic because excessive government involvement (regulatory capture, artificial shortages) led to the insane prices. Like that quote: "beer the cause and solution of all problems"
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,728
So you currently have COVID or just getting ready?
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,729
boof joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 8 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,730
"regulatory capture" is fascism lite
dw !p9hU6ckyqw joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,731
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,732
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,733
@1,275,731 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
Doesn't mean all government involvement is bad, but in the case of the US it's been exceptionally so.
The US pays more per capita than many other fully socialised countries. The Left in the US supports throwing more money at the problem as if it will magically fix it. It won't. The Right supports the government pulling out and letting those that have already captured the market to reign free. Unsurprisingly, both sides lead to the health industry growing wealthier.
Doesn't mean all government involvement is bad, but in the case of the US it's been exceptionally so.
The US pays more per capita than many other fully socialised countries. The Left in the US supports throwing more money at the problem as if it will magically fix it. It won't. The Right supports the government pulling out and letting those that have already captured the market to reign free. Unsurprisingly, both sides lead to the health industry growing wealthier.
Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 54 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,734
@1,275,732 (A)
Well you're well set for a speedy recovery it sounds, might not even have to wish you well but I'd say that you ought to relax a bit with a heat fan blowing at you.
Well you're well set for a speedy recovery it sounds, might not even have to wish you well but I'd say that you ought to relax a bit with a heat fan blowing at you.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,735
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,737
Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 25 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,745
@1,275,732 (A)
> Have it, diagnosed at clinic with my free Obamacare!
Why didn't you get the vaccine that prevents catching COVID in the first place? 🤔
> Have it, diagnosed at clinic with my free Obamacare!
Why didn't you get the vaccine that prevents catching COVID in the first place? 🤔
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,748
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,753
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,756
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
No, nor is that the claim. It is claimed to either prevent it, or lessen symptoms to avoid hospitalization in most cases.
No, nor is that the claim. It is claimed to either prevent it, or lessen symptoms to avoid hospitalization in most cases.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 16 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,757
Meta !Sober//iZs double-posted this 2 years ago, 58 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,758
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,759
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,760
@1,275,757 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
As I said, it can prevent COVID in some cases, and in other cases, reduce the symptoms. What is it you are not understanding sol I can clarify?
As I said, it can prevent COVID in some cases, and in other cases, reduce the symptoms. What is it you are not understanding sol I can clarify?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2 years ago, 17 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,761
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 14 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,830
@1,275,759 (G)> Look at him, though!
He does seem to be morphing into another person as time goes one.
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 2 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,845
@1,275,760 (A)
I just don't understand what it does: it doesn't prevent COVID but that's okay because it makes the symptoms mild enough you only need $1000+ of medical care to get through it?
I just don't understand what it does: it doesn't prevent COVID but that's okay because it makes the symptoms mild enough you only need $1000+ of medical care to get through it?
Erik !saAqdaazn2 joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,850
No one should be "treated" for covid. If it kills then so be it, the strong will survive.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 19 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,853
@1,275,737 (B)
Maybe I misunderstood your point but throwing money at the problem is the only way to solve it. Of course that will be made back in productivity in only a short while
Maybe I misunderstood your point but throwing money at the problem is the only way to solve it. Of course that will be made back in productivity in only a short while
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,874
@1,275,845 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Listen carefully. The goal is to be the best, the fastest. thanks to the vaccine, I am not hospitalized,and the symptoms are relatively mild. Thanks to the Paxlovid, they are even milder. The goal is to feel GOOD again as fast as possible, so I am using everything I can to achieve that goal. It's really easy to understand.
Listen carefully. The goal is to be the best, the fastest. thanks to the vaccine, I am not hospitalized,and the symptoms are relatively mild. Thanks to the Paxlovid, they are even milder. The goal is to feel GOOD again as fast as possible, so I am using everything I can to achieve that goal. It's really easy to understand.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,886
@1,275,853 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
> Maybe I misunderstood your point but throwing money at the problem is the only way to solve it.
Then the healthcare system in the US should be more than solved since it already has more per-capita funding than many other fully socialised systems.
> Maybe I misunderstood your point but throwing money at the problem is the only way to solve it.
Then the healthcare system in the US should be more than solved since it already has more per-capita funding than many other fully socialised systems.
Anonymous B double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,887
@1,275,874 (A)
> so I am using everything I can to achieve that goal.
You look like shit though and have been overweight for many years. I don't think you are using everything you can to achieve good health. I think you are a fat, lazy American who needs everything in pill form.
> so I am using everything I can to achieve that goal.
You look like shit though and have been overweight for many years. I don't think you are using everything you can to achieve good health. I think you are a fat, lazy American who needs everything in pill form.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,892
@previous (B)
Not overweight anymore. Also, pausing a low-resolution video on a single frame for the purpose of making someone look bad is hardly accurate. Since you stalk my social media, why not post some other pics of my recent self? No, that would make it obvious that I have lost lots of weight and am happy and healthy.
Not overweight anymore. Also, pausing a low-resolution video on a single frame for the purpose of making someone look bad is hardly accurate. Since you stalk my social media, why not post some other pics of my recent self? No, that would make it obvious that I have lost lots of weight and am happy and healthy.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,895
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 48 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,900
@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
It is a good idea, but there's so much maligned influence through lobbying (pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, the AMA, hospital networks), that any attempt to do that will be subverted or blocked altogether.
Wholesale shutting down many of those industries (insurance in particular) and taking state control over most of the rest I think is the necessary first step. Setting max prices before doing that I think is a waste of time.
It is a good idea, but there's so much maligned influence through lobbying (pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, the AMA, hospital networks), that any attempt to do that will be subverted or blocked altogether.
Wholesale shutting down many of those industries (insurance in particular) and taking state control over most of the rest I think is the necessary first step. Setting max prices before doing that I think is a waste of time.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 38 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,902
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,904
@1,275,892 (A)
> Not overweight anymore. Also, pausing a low-resolution video on a single frame for the purpose of making someone look bad is hardly accurate.
None of the pictures I've seen of you look like you've lost any weight. It looks like you've gained weight and picked up a neurological condition along the way with your facial tic.
> Since you stalk my social media, why not post some other pics of my recent self? No, that would make it obvious that I have lost lots of weight and am happy and healthy.
Have only seen your youtube channel, but post a link to anything else you want me to look at and I'll take a look.
> Not overweight anymore. Also, pausing a low-resolution video on a single frame for the purpose of making someone look bad is hardly accurate.
None of the pictures I've seen of you look like you've lost any weight. It looks like you've gained weight and picked up a neurological condition along the way with your facial tic.
> Since you stalk my social media, why not post some other pics of my recent self? No, that would make it obvious that I have lost lots of weight and am happy and healthy.
Have only seen your youtube channel, but post a link to anything else you want me to look at and I'll take a look.
Anonymous B double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,905
@1,275,902 (A)
I don't think that's needed or wanted. I think more judiciously revoking corporate charters would go a long way though
I don't think that's needed or wanted. I think more judiciously revoking corporate charters would go a long way though
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,919
@1,275,892 (A)
> Not overweight anymore.
Yeah because you took diet pills. Instead of, like, you know, just losing weight.
> Not overweight anymore.
Yeah because you took diet pills. Instead of, like, you know, just losing weight.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,921
@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
I am on a diabetic medication whose side effect is losing weight. I'm not sure why that matters.
I am on a diabetic medication whose side effect is losing weight. I'm not sure why that matters.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,922
@previous (A)
It's a question of self-control. Just like someone who can't stop drinking and instead has to get self-control in pill form with the "Sinclair method".
And anyway, if you really lost weight, which I doubt, why do you look like you've gained it?
It's a question of self-control. Just like someone who can't stop drinking and instead has to get self-control in pill form with the "Sinclair method".
And anyway, if you really lost weight, which I doubt, why do you look like you've gained it?
Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,923
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,924
Also, just a tip, get a more conventional hair cut. You look awful. Maybe you could've pulled off something like this if you were 30 years younger and 50 lbs lighter, but you aren't. You look incredibly unhealthy physically and mentally.
If I saw you on the street or in a store, I'd keep as much distance as I could.
If I saw you on the street or in a store, I'd keep as much distance as I could.
Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,925
@1,275,922 (B)
@1,275,923 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
A matter of self control my ass. People are getting fatter, so I suppose humanity is slowly losing self control? Absurd.
@1,275,923 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
A matter of self control my ass. People are getting fatter, so I suppose humanity is slowly losing self control? Absurd.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,926
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Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,957
@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
The theoretical benefits of health insurance have not been realised in the US and never will be. The reality is that in the US it simply became an industry of middle-men rent-seekers that have colluded to raise prices. The public's interests would best be served by abolishing it entirely as step zero.
Your country's government was never captured by a multi-billion dollar for profit health industry. The capture in the US started at least as early as the 1920s and has been on a long unbroken train since that time. The stability of the US government, which your country and much of Western Europe hasn't had due to the war, is partly the US' undoing here.
The theoretical benefits of health insurance have not been realised in the US and never will be. The reality is that in the US it simply became an industry of middle-men rent-seekers that have colluded to raise prices. The public's interests would best be served by abolishing it entirely as step zero.
Your country's government was never captured by a multi-billion dollar for profit health industry. The capture in the US started at least as early as the 1920s and has been on a long unbroken train since that time. The stability of the US government, which your country and much of Western Europe hasn't had due to the war, is partly the US' undoing here.
Anonymous B double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,275,958
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 12 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,276,020
dw !p9hU6ckyqw double-posted this 2 years ago, 58 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,276,021
Also US companies sell medicine to Europe for relatively low regulated prices
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,276,022
Matt is poor af lol!
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 1 day later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,276,212
@1,276,020 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
I just said that.
@1,276,021 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
It was never captured by the industry. We went over that. Keep up.
I just said that.
@1,276,021 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
It was never captured by the industry. We went over that. Keep up.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,276,216
@previous (B)
So then what's your point? Just basically do it like the rest of the world and it will work out fine. Or are you saying it can't because the US government is somehow incapable (instead of just unwilling)of regulating this industry
So then what's your point? Just basically do it like the rest of the world and it will work out fine. Or are you saying it can't because the US government is somehow incapable (instead of just unwilling)of regulating this industry
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,276,220
@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
> So then what's your point? Just basically do it like the rest of the world and it will work out fine.
It would not, because the rest of the world never got into a state like this. Here's what should be done:
1. Revoke the corporate charter of all health insurance companies and for-profit hospitals. The former can go to hell, the latter can be state run.
2. Strike any penalties for practising medicine without a license and simply enforce laws against fraud, such as claiming false credentials. Individuals can decide if they want to fund a doctor's $350k tuition bill. If not, I'm sure a new system will be discovered soon enough with whoever they decide to go to instead.
3. Provide emergency services without charge at the state run hospitals.
4. Medical billing needs to be agreed on before services are rendered. No charges added beyond what was agreed. Point 3 above means there'd never be a situation in which they should come up unexpectedly.
Prices will almost certainly fall with steps 1 and 2. Additional intervention can be taken if, after some time, they do not.
> Or are you saying it can't because the US government is somehow incapable (instead of just unwilling)of regulating this industry
We already covered that. Go back and read again.
> So then what's your point? Just basically do it like the rest of the world and it will work out fine.
It would not, because the rest of the world never got into a state like this. Here's what should be done:
1. Revoke the corporate charter of all health insurance companies and for-profit hospitals. The former can go to hell, the latter can be state run.
2. Strike any penalties for practising medicine without a license and simply enforce laws against fraud, such as claiming false credentials. Individuals can decide if they want to fund a doctor's $350k tuition bill. If not, I'm sure a new system will be discovered soon enough with whoever they decide to go to instead.
3. Provide emergency services without charge at the state run hospitals.
4. Medical billing needs to be agreed on before services are rendered. No charges added beyond what was agreed. Point 3 above means there'd never be a situation in which they should come up unexpectedly.
Prices will almost certainly fall with steps 1 and 2. Additional intervention can be taken if, after some time, they do not.
> Or are you saying it can't because the US government is somehow incapable (instead of just unwilling)of regulating this industry
We already covered that. Go back and read again.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,276,238
@previous (B)
Insurance is in it ONLY for the money. They have a vested interested in DENYING healthcare. How can you not see this? It's a stupid system.
Insurance is in it ONLY for the money. They have a vested interested in DENYING healthcare. How can you not see this? It's a stupid system.