Topic: Gender is a social construct [Trans shtick by Matthew Miller]
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago #114,968
This is pretty easy to demonstrate. Different cultures throughout human history have had vastly different ideas of what it means to be "a real man" and "a real woman."
(Edited 4 hours later by a moderator.)
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later[^] [v] #1,270,987
And in Western culture, boys have penises and girls have vaginas. Cope.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,989
@previous (B)
Again, gender is a social construct. There were periods of history when "real men" wore what we could today call women's clothing, acted very feminine, and even (as in Ancient Greece), had sex with o0ther men and boys. In other words, it is totally arbitrary.
Again, gender is a social construct. There were periods of history when "real men" wore what we could today call women's clothing, acted very feminine, and even (as in Ancient Greece), had sex with o0ther men and boys. In other words, it is totally arbitrary.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,990
@previous (A)
And part of that social construct is that those with penises are called boys and those with vaginas are called girls. Maybe that's not how it is in other cultures, but that's irrelevant here, in 2023 on an English speaking board with an audience that is quite literally all born and raised in Western society.
And part of that social construct is that those with penises are called boys and those with vaginas are called girls. Maybe that's not how it is in other cultures, but that's irrelevant here, in 2023 on an English speaking board with an audience that is quite literally all born and raised in Western society.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 46 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,991
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,992
@previous (A)
In the past 5 or so years, this has been asserted. But culturally and historically that has never been the case in Western society.
Now, you can argue that, as a social construct, perhaps we should redefine things. If that is what you want, then make your case now and we will discuss the merits of your proposal.
But if you want to sit here and argue against what I've repeated three times now, then you've picked the wrong hill to die on because you're wrong.
In the past 5 or so years, this has been asserted. But culturally and historically that has never been the case in Western society.
Now, you can argue that, as a social construct, perhaps we should redefine things. If that is what you want, then make your case now and we will discuss the merits of your proposal.
But if you want to sit here and argue against what I've repeated three times now, then you've picked the wrong hill to die on because you're wrong.
(Edited 56 seconds later.)
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,993
Balls.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 27 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,994
@1,270,992 (B)
Are you serious? Look at European history in more detail. There were several periods where "real men" were extremely effeminate by today's American standards.
Are you serious? Look at European history in more detail. There were several periods where "real men" were extremely effeminate by today's American standards.
boof joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,995
COCK
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,996
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,997
@1,270,994 (A)
@previous (A)
He had a penis and was identified as a man without question. As I originally said.
Now find some historical examples of someone being called a man that was born with a vagina or move on. There's not a single reason why any of this is critical to what you actually are trying to argue. So it's weird to obsess over it and to try to re-write history when it isn't even needed.
Again, you can try to argue why we should do away with this social construct and replace it another. It's a social construct, as you said, so we can change it if we wish. Let's hear the merits of what you're proposing. I've yet to hear any.
@previous (A)
He had a penis and was identified as a man without question. As I originally said.
Now find some historical examples of someone being called a man that was born with a vagina or move on. There's not a single reason why any of this is critical to what you actually are trying to argue. So it's weird to obsess over it and to try to re-write history when it isn't even needed.
Again, you can try to argue why we should do away with this social construct and replace it another. It's a social construct, as you said, so we can change it if we wish. Let's hear the merits of what you're proposing. I've yet to hear any.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,998
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,270,999
@previous (A)
In the past 5 or so years, this has been asserted. But culturally and historically that has never been the case in Western society.
In the past 5 or so years, this has been asserted. But culturally and historically that has never been the case in Western society.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,000
@previous (B)
It literally has. The concept of "a man" has changed drastically over time. That is literally what "gender is a social construct" means. In Ancient Greece, being a gay man was being a real man. That is just one example. In Rome, the manliest of soldiers sucked other male soldiers off.
It literally has. The concept of "a man" has changed drastically over time. That is literally what "gender is a social construct" means. In Ancient Greece, being a gay man was being a real man. That is just one example. In Rome, the manliest of soldiers sucked other male soldiers off.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,001
@previous (A)
> It literally has. The concept of "a man" has changed drastically over time. That is literally what "gender is a social construct" means. In Ancient Greece, being a gay man was being a real man. That is just one example. In Rome, the manliest of soldiers sucked other male soldiers off.
Now you're confusing sexual preference with gender/sex/whatever you want to call it.
Let's see some historical examples of men that were born with vaginas. The small handful I can think of intentionally hid the fact that they were born with a vagina. Why? Because they wouldn't otherwise been seen as men. End of story. Thanks for playing.
> It literally has. The concept of "a man" has changed drastically over time. That is literally what "gender is a social construct" means. In Ancient Greece, being a gay man was being a real man. That is just one example. In Rome, the manliest of soldiers sucked other male soldiers off.
Now you're confusing sexual preference with gender/sex/whatever you want to call it.
Let's see some historical examples of men that were born with vaginas. The small handful I can think of intentionally hid the fact that they were born with a vagina. Why? Because they wouldn't otherwise been seen as men. End of story. Thanks for playing.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,002
@previous (B)
No, not sexual preference. "Sex" is how you are born. "Gender" is the social idea of what your sex should act or be like.
No, not sexual preference. "Sex" is how you are born. "Gender" is the social idea of what your sex should act or be like.
(Edited 9 seconds later.)
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,003
@previous (A)
Let's see some historical examples of men that were born with vaginas. Should be pretty easy for you, if history unfolded as you're claiming.
Let's see some historical examples of men that were born with vaginas. Should be pretty easy for you, if history unfolded as you're claiming.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,004
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,005
@previous (A)
So, as soon as you're pressed to provide even the slightest amount of support for what you're saying, you back out. Figures lol.
It's even funnier because you've only provided arguments against your position. You know what's common in your examples of men from France and the Roman Empire? It's that, despite their differences in behavior and style of dress, all of the men had penises! It's almost like that's the ONLY thing constant across Western history that has been used to define a man. Go figure!
Thanks again for playing. It's been fun. As always.
So, as soon as you're pressed to provide even the slightest amount of support for what you're saying, you back out. Figures lol.
It's even funnier because you've only provided arguments against your position. You know what's common in your examples of men from France and the Roman Empire? It's that, despite their differences in behavior and style of dress, all of the men had penises! It's almost like that's the ONLY thing constant across Western history that has been used to define a man. Go figure!
Thanks again for playing. It's been fun. As always.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,008
@previous (B)
I never said men are born with vaginas. I made a clear distinction between sex (the genitals you are born with), an gender (the social idea of how your sex should act). If you misunderstand this, then are either stupid or a troll.
I never said men are born with vaginas. I made a clear distinction between sex (the genitals you are born with), an gender (the social idea of how your sex should act). If you misunderstand this, then are either stupid or a troll.
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,009
@previous (A)
> I never said men are born with vaginas.
You implied that they could be, but yet can't provide any historical examples, despite having 2000+ years of history to find one.
> I never said men are born with vaginas.
You implied that they could be, but yet can't provide any historical examples, despite having 2000+ years of history to find one.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,010
@previous (B)
No I did not. Men are born with penises, and women are born with vaginas. That is "sex". "Gender", however, is the societal idea of how men and women should act. Do you understand the difference?
No I did not. Men are born with penises, and women are born with vaginas. That is "sex". "Gender", however, is the societal idea of how men and women should act. Do you understand the difference?
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,011
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,012
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,013
Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 4 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,028
@1,270,987 (B)
Be a real man, wear a skirt (not a kilt). It used to be quite common, but I guess you’re just a pussy in the eyes of your ancestors.
Be a real man, wear a skirt (not a kilt). It used to be quite common, but I guess you’re just a pussy in the eyes of your ancestors.
Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 40 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,035
If gender has nothing to do whatsoever with biological sex and what genitalia you have, then why do some trannies feel the need to undergo "gender reassignment" surgery? Why cut your cock off if that's the thing that means you aren't really a woman, or hack your tits off because they are preventing you from being a real man?
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 4 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,039
@previous (C)
whos saying it has nought to do with it? ppl just say theres different ideas of what it is.
junk could be part of the idea along with other stuff.
@1,270,996 (A)
didnt he have a foreskin issue a doctor fixed
whos saying it has nought to do with it? ppl just say theres different ideas of what it is.
junk could be part of the idea along with other stuff.
@1,270,996 (A)
didnt he have a foreskin issue a doctor fixed
Anonymous B replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,271,047
@1,271,028 (Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM)
And it just so turns out all of them had penises! Why? Why can't you or anyone provide some historical examples of men that were born with vaginas. Should be pretty easy for you, if history unfolded as you're claiming.
And it just so turns out all of them had penises! Why? Why can't you or anyone provide some historical examples of men that were born with vaginas. Should be pretty easy for you, if history unfolded as you're claiming.