Topic: Why wouldn't a broken clock still work when thrown into a black hole?
Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM started this discussion 2 years ago #114,502
A broken clock is still a man-made invention that is programmed to measure the man-made construct of time. Despite a black hole sucking in all time and space. It's really sucking in natural time. You should still be able to measure man-made time with the broken clock.
Throckmorton !dxiFV8kfVg joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 37 seconds later[^] [v] #1,266,836
How so? What would make the clock start working again?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,266,837
Ok, but reword this so it makes sense. Do you mean the two times a day where it would correspond with the correct time? Because time is relative.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,266,840
An observer (or clock) that falls into a black hole will only experience a finite amount of time before arriving at the singularity. At the singularity, general relativity breaks down and makes no sensible predictions about what happens next. Whatever does happen is likely not anything like normal time and space that we are aware of, so I think it's safe to say a stopped clock ceases being right twice a day at least at that point, if not before.
An observer far away from the black hole watching a clock fall in will see the clock infinitely redshift. It will never appear to fall in, but appear to approach a frozen state. You may first see it, then it will become (literally) more red as the wavelengths you receive elongate. Eventually it will then be perceivable as heat (infrared) and so on until the wavelengths are so long they become practically undetectable and hence "disappear" (like in Merrin's horse and fly problem).
An observer far away from the black hole watching a clock fall in will see the clock infinitely redshift. It will never appear to fall in, but appear to approach a frozen state. You may first see it, then it will become (literally) more red as the wavelengths you receive elongate. Eventually it will then be perceivable as heat (infrared) and so on until the wavelengths are so long they become practically undetectable and hence "disappear" (like in Merrin's horse and fly problem).
Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,266,841
@previous (D)
The clock would still operate as programmed. I guess if it's broken then that means it's just wrong all of the time when entering the black hole.
The clock would still operate as programmed. I guess if it's broken then that means it's just wrong all of the time when entering the black hole.
Throckmorton !dxiFV8kfVg replied with this 2 years ago, 35 seconds later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,266,842
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 20 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,266,847
@1,266,841 (Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM)
No, it will not "operate as programmed" as it approaches and hits the singularity. Try reading what you replied to again.
If you knew how to program a clock to work seamlessly in those conditions you would've achieved a physical understanding beyond anyone that has ever lived on this earth and would've achieved probably one of, if not the key to unifying all of physics.
No, it will not "operate as programmed" as it approaches and hits the singularity. Try reading what you replied to again.
If you knew how to program a clock to work seamlessly in those conditions you would've achieved a physical understanding beyond anyone that has ever lived on this earth and would've achieved probably one of, if not the key to unifying all of physics.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,266,887
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Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 9 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,266,989
Time is not a man-made construct, it is a real and measurable dimension of our universe
Black holes don't suck anything in
If you threw a clock into a black hole it would spaghettify and stop working
If it didn't do that and you were holding the clock then it would tick like normal but if you were outside watching a dude holding the clock you'd be slowing down until you didn't move no more and then you'd just sit on the event horizon without ever being seen to fall further
A broken clock doesn't measure time even outside a black hole, it doesn't work
There's no such thing as "natural time" and "man made time"
Black holes don't suck anything in
If you threw a clock into a black hole it would spaghettify and stop working
If it didn't do that and you were holding the clock then it would tick like normal but if you were outside watching a dude holding the clock you'd be slowing down until you didn't move no more and then you'd just sit on the event horizon without ever being seen to fall further
A broken clock doesn't measure time even outside a black hole, it doesn't work
There's no such thing as "natural time" and "man made time"
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dw !p9hU6ckyqw joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,065
@previous (G)
> If you threw a clock into a black hole it would spaghettify and stop working
Not if it was already broken
> If you threw a clock into a black hole it would spaghettify and stop working
Not if it was already broken
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,067
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,070
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boof joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,073
um, if the clock is not on the Earth anymore, then what is the reference to judge correctness of time? arbitrarily pick a place?
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,075
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,078
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Also a black hole is not a hole. You can't throw stuff in it.
Also a black hole is not a hole. You can't throw stuff in it.
boof replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,080
it could be argued that a clock that is not stopped is never as nearly perfectly right as a stopped clock could be
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,087
@previous (boof)
Stopped according to which reference frame? There is no such thing as a stopped clock.
Stopped according to which reference frame? There is no such thing as a stopped clock.
Anonymous D double-posted this 2 years ago, 21 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,088
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Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,093
@1,267,088 (D)
Glug no it's not, what you refer to as a black hole is really just a representation of a singularity.
Glug no it's not, what you refer to as a black hole is really just a representation of a singularity.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 59 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,098
@previous (C)
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as a singularity, is in fact, a GR/singularity, or as I've recently taken to calling it, a complete breakdown of general relativity. General relativity is not a theory unto itself, but rather another effective field theory of a hypothesized fully functioning physical model made useful by quantum effects, strong and weak field interactions and vital superposition components comprising a full unified theory of everything as defined by POSIX.
Many theorists run a modified version of field theories every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the break down of of one of them is often called a singularity, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically an effective field theory developed by the GNU Project.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as a singularity, is in fact, a GR/singularity, or as I've recently taken to calling it, a complete breakdown of general relativity. General relativity is not a theory unto itself, but rather another effective field theory of a hypothesized fully functioning physical model made useful by quantum effects, strong and weak field interactions and vital superposition components comprising a full unified theory of everything as defined by POSIX.
Many theorists run a modified version of field theories every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the break down of of one of them is often called a singularity, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically an effective field theory developed by the GNU Project.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,107
Another stupid thread by a stupid guy. Grow up sir.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,108
if its turned into energy im not sure how u could measure time with it
if u had a computer advanced enuf you might be able to view the junk being ejected from the black hole at its poles and reconstruct what the clock looked like or even how it wirked
thatd be a hell of a computer tho
like hitchikers guide
im not a physicist tho idk
if u had a computer advanced enuf you might be able to view the junk being ejected from the black hole at its poles and reconstruct what the clock looked like or even how it wirked
thatd be a hell of a computer tho
like hitchikers guide
im not a physicist tho idk
Toilet Seat !tr.t4dJfuU replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,109
Time does not exist. Time was created by man.
Anonymous L replied with this 2 years ago, 42 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,110
@previous (Toilet Seat !tr.t4dJfuU)
yet if i threw a rock at yr face itd be affected by earths gravity at 9.8m/s^2 and take a certain seconds to arrive
yet if i threw a rock at yr face itd be affected by earths gravity at 9.8m/s^2 and take a certain seconds to arrive
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Toilet Seat !tr.t4dJfuU replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,111
@previous (L)
So tell me how seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, and years, came to be? Did no one create it?
So tell me how seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, and years, came to be? Did no one create it?
Anonymous F replied with this 2 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,112
Toilet Seat !tr.t4dJfuU replied with this 2 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,116
@previous (F)
So then, tell me how time came to be.
Where did the names of the days days come from(Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, etc...)?
How bout the names of the months?
So then, tell me how time came to be.
Where did the names of the days days come from(Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, etc...)?
How bout the names of the months?
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 44 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,117
Why would you be able to use a broken clock you do this?
What abput a black hole would make a broken item work again?
Also what type of clock, because that could be important
What abput a black hole would make a broken item work again?
Also what type of clock, because that could be important
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 2 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,118
dj medium chain triglycerides joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,123
what
boof replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,130
@1,267,087 (D)
> Stopped according to which reference frame? There is no such thing as a stopped clock.
are you the same guy who demanded definition of what is meant by having the capacity to think
> Stopped according to which reference frame? There is no such thing as a stopped clock.
are you the same guy who demanded definition of what is meant by having the capacity to think
Anonymous J replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,133
@1,267,087 (D)
> Stopped according to which reference frame?
Your mom's reference frame.
> Stopped according to which reference frame?
Your mom's reference frame.
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Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,160
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Anonymous D triple-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,162
@1,267,117 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> What abput a black hole would make a broken item work again?
What about a black hole wouldn't make a broken item work again?
> Also what type of clock, because that could be important
It isn't.
> What abput a black hole would make a broken item work again?
What about a black hole wouldn't make a broken item work again?
> Also what type of clock, because that could be important
It isn't.
Anonymous G replied with this 2 years ago, 7 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,286
@1,267,111 (Toilet Seat !tr.t4dJfuU)
Those are representations of a period of time, not time. Having millilitres and litres doesn't mean that water is man made.
Those are representations of a period of time, not time. Having millilitres and litres doesn't mean that water is man made.
Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,313
@1,266,847 (D)
How does a wall clock know what the singularity is when nobody is there to adjust it?
You’re really missing the point here.
How does a wall clock know what the singularity is when nobody is there to adjust it?
You’re really missing the point here.
Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM (OP) double-posted this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,314
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 19 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,316
I am extremely confused by this question and discussion.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,333
@1,267,313 (Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM)
How wouldn't it know about the singularity and adjust itself accordingly? You're literally retarded.
How wouldn't it know about the singularity and adjust itself accordingly? You're literally retarded.
Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,336
Anonymous J replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,340
@previous (Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM)
> you literally retard.
*you literal retard.
"literally" is an adverb.
> you literally retard.
*you literal retard.
"literally" is an adverb.
Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 16 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,343
Anonymous J replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,351
@previous (Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM)
If it was a more subtle, nuanced mistake, then sure, but "you literally retard" makes you sound like the person you are trying and failing to insult, you retardedly brain.
If it was a more subtle, nuanced mistake, then sure, but "you literally retard" makes you sound like the person you are trying and failing to insult, you retardedly brain.
Cathabis !TGirlYJKXM (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,379
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 1 day later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,617
boof replied with this 2 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,267,635
what, did she have a BONG HIT TRANSPLANT?