Topic: The state of Israel's creation is almost as ridiculous
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago #113,986
as a group of white, US mid-westerners starting an ancient Egyptian fan club and growing increasingly convinced that they need to take back their homeland in modern day Egypt. If anyone points out that they have no connection to Egypt, they'd accuse you of being a racist and a bigot, then they'd point to genetic studies showing that in fact at some point 3 to 5 thousand years ago they did hail from Egypt on their trip out of Africa.
Also, in this timeline, the US would be a fallen super-power and would invade Mexico. All immigrants from Scandinavia would support the invasion. Not sure if that's related, but just thought I'd mention it.
Also, in this timeline, the US would be a fallen super-power and would invade Mexico. All immigrants from Scandinavia would support the invasion. Not sure if that's related, but just thought I'd mention it.
Throckmorton !qRgc9HpKSA joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #1,261,675
How do modern Jewish people have no connection to Israel? Honestly asking, not trying to argue.
dj coco nutty joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,684
You mean like what white settlers did to the Americas to begin with ie manifest destiny etc
or like filibusters like William Walker in Latin America
we've already done all this. it's so disheartening to see the same mistakes made over and over in your lifetime
or like filibusters like William Walker in Latin America
we've already done all this. it's so disheartening to see the same mistakes made over and over in your lifetime
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,692
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,693
Throckmorton !qRgc9HpKSA replied with this 2 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,695
@previous (A)
I am being serious. Didn't they live there in ancient times until today? I don't mean the official state, but the area?
I am being serious. Didn't they live there in ancient times until today? I don't mean the official state, but the area?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,698
dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,702
@1,261,695 (Throckmorton !qRgc9HpKSA)
@previous (A)
they did, Jews have always settled in the Levant and maintained population centers
@previous (A)
they did, Jews have always settled in the Levant and maintained population centers
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,706
dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,711
@previous (A)
yeah it doesn't matter anyway. just lazy deflection. probably as many people have been killed in the past few days as there were Jews in the region before the turn of the last century
yeah it doesn't matter anyway. just lazy deflection. probably as many people have been killed in the past few days as there were Jews in the region before the turn of the last century
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 34 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,717
@previous (dj coco nutty)
Probably as many Palestinians have died in the past few days than Jews in the entirety of the Holocaust. jk
Probably as many Palestinians have died in the past few days than Jews in the entirety of the Holocaust. jk
dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,720
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 4 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,748
@1,261,717 (A)
> Probably as many Palestinians have died in the past few days than Jews in the entirety of the Holocaust. jk
And there you go! That’s how you know where most of the “Israel is illegitimate” people feel about Jews in general. Anti semitic holocaust deniers
> Probably as many Palestinians have died in the past few days than Jews in the entirety of the Holocaust. jk
And there you go! That’s how you know where most of the “Israel is illegitimate” people feel about Jews in general. Anti semitic holocaust deniers
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 14 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,758
@1,261,706 (A)
> Not to any significant degree.
Nonsense. There have always been Jews living in Israel/Palestine, even when under occupancy by the Romans, Ottomans, etc.
> Not to any significant degree.
Nonsense. There have always been Jews living in Israel/Palestine, even when under occupancy by the Romans, Ottomans, etc.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 44 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,768
@1,261,695 (Throckmorton !qRgc9HpKSA)
Most of the Jewish population there didn't start arriving until after WWII
Most of the Jewish population there didn't start arriving until after WWII
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,775
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> Most of the Jewish population there didn't start arriving until after WWII
A large number returned to Israel around the turn of the 20th century when the Ottoman empire collapsed. The % population in 1936 was about the same as it was in 1947 (around 30%).
The % population did grow substantially in 1948, but it is important to realise that this was because 3 quarters of the original country (Jordan) was split off and became a separate nation, exclusively I might add, for Arabs and not Jews.
> Most of the Jewish population there didn't start arriving until after WWII
A large number returned to Israel around the turn of the 20th century when the Ottoman empire collapsed. The % population in 1936 was about the same as it was in 1947 (around 30%).
The % population did grow substantially in 1948, but it is important to realise that this was because 3 quarters of the original country (Jordan) was split off and became a separate nation, exclusively I might add, for Arabs and not Jews.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,779
Kook HATES the Jews.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,781
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,783
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 2 years ago, 15 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,784
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,789
@1,261,783 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> So 30% of the population has ghettoized the rest. Interesting
How on earth do you draw that conclusion?
1. Before 1948, Palestine was a country that included the whole of Israel (including Gaza) PLUS Jordan.
2. In 1948, Palestine ceased to exist, and 30% of the population of that much larger country became around 80% of the quarter which is called Israel.
3. Jordan was handed over entirely to Arab rule, i.e. Britain reneged on the original league of nations agreement that the WHOLE country of Palestine should become the Jewish homeland.
4. Also in 1948 during the war of independence, Egypt captured Gaza and it remained under their control until 1967, when Israel took it back. By this time a considerable number of Arab Palestinians were living there, because it was effectively an Arab state (though Egypt never officially annexed it).
5. Also in 1948, Jordan annexed the area of Israel known as the West Bank and ruled it until 1967. Again, naturally many Arab Palestinians lived there because they felt more at home in an Arab ruled state.
So to say that Israel created ghettos is rubbish.
This is all very well known, basic history. I feel sorry for you that your education system let you down so badly.
> So 30% of the population has ghettoized the rest. Interesting
How on earth do you draw that conclusion?
1. Before 1948, Palestine was a country that included the whole of Israel (including Gaza) PLUS Jordan.
2. In 1948, Palestine ceased to exist, and 30% of the population of that much larger country became around 80% of the quarter which is called Israel.
3. Jordan was handed over entirely to Arab rule, i.e. Britain reneged on the original league of nations agreement that the WHOLE country of Palestine should become the Jewish homeland.
4. Also in 1948 during the war of independence, Egypt captured Gaza and it remained under their control until 1967, when Israel took it back. By this time a considerable number of Arab Palestinians were living there, because it was effectively an Arab state (though Egypt never officially annexed it).
5. Also in 1948, Jordan annexed the area of Israel known as the West Bank and ruled it until 1967. Again, naturally many Arab Palestinians lived there because they felt more at home in an Arab ruled state.
So to say that Israel created ghettos is rubbish.
This is all very well known, basic history. I feel sorry for you that your education system let you down so badly.
dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,793
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,797
@previous (dj coco nutty)
And you clearly just glossed over what I wrote. I, on the other hand, did no such thing... because it simply didn't happen.
How about at least looking up some basic information on this, arm yourself with some facts, then maybe we can have a decent conversation.
And you clearly just glossed over what I wrote. I, on the other hand, did no such thing... because it simply didn't happen.
How about at least looking up some basic information on this, arm yourself with some facts, then maybe we can have a decent conversation.
dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,800
@previous (E)
yeah because nothing that happened after 1967 matters in this conflict. you posted a lame history that has nothing to do with kooks statement. it's undeniable that Israel has built a wall around, controls the resources and movement of, and hugely marginalizes a supposedly autonomous people in land that they are rapidly encroaching for forcible settlement. no, not an apartheid state at all
yeah because nothing that happened after 1967 matters in this conflict. you posted a lame history that has nothing to do with kooks statement. it's undeniable that Israel has built a wall around, controls the resources and movement of, and hugely marginalizes a supposedly autonomous people in land that they are rapidly encroaching for forcible settlement. no, not an apartheid state at all
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,802
@previous (dj coco nutty)
> nothing to do with kooks statement.
> > Kook: Most of the Jewish population there didn't start arriving until after WWII
> > Me: In 1948...
Again, please open a least one history book before posting your drivel.
> lame history
Facts don't care about your feelings. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.
> Israel has built a wall
True. What was the reason for this? I'll give you a clue: it wasn't because they wanted to create a ghetto, it was the other main reason people build walls.
> nothing to do with kooks statement.
> > Kook: Most of the Jewish population there didn't start arriving until after WWII
> > Me: In 1948...
Again, please open a least one history book before posting your drivel.
> lame history
Facts don't care about your feelings. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.
> Israel has built a wall
True. What was the reason for this? I'll give you a clue: it wasn't because they wanted to create a ghetto, it was the other main reason people build walls.
dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,805
@previous (E)
> > nothing to do with kooks statement.
> > > Kook: Most of the Jewish population there didn't start arriving until after WWII
> > > Me: In 1948...
i was referring to @1,261,783 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> Again, please open a least one history book before posting your drivel.
>
> > lame history
> Facts don't care about your feelings. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.
jesus, making me pull out the dictionary. "unconvincingly feeble". not emotional language
> > Israel has built a wall
> True. What was the reason for this? I'll give you a clue: it wasn't because they wanted to create a ghetto, it was the other main reason people build walls.
then the fully walled ghetto with sniper towers was just a side effect of wanting to keep the arabs... out. totally fine
> > nothing to do with kooks statement.
> > > Kook: Most of the Jewish population there didn't start arriving until after WWII
> > > Me: In 1948...
i was referring to @1,261,783 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> Again, please open a least one history book before posting your drivel.
>
> > lame history
> Facts don't care about your feelings. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.
jesus, making me pull out the dictionary. "unconvincingly feeble". not emotional language
> > Israel has built a wall
> True. What was the reason for this? I'll give you a clue: it wasn't because they wanted to create a ghetto, it was the other main reason people build walls.
then the fully walled ghetto with sniper towers was just a side effect of wanting to keep the arabs... out. totally fine
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,812
@previous (dj coco nutty)
> wanting to keep the arabs... out.
Right. We're getting closer. And why do you think they wanted to do that? I'll give you a clue again, it's not because they are racist towards Arabs, or don't like the way they smell, or anything like that. (keywords: Second Intifada) ... I've made it really easy for you now.
> wanting to keep the arabs... out.
Right. We're getting closer. And why do you think they wanted to do that? I'll give you a clue again, it's not because they are racist towards Arabs, or don't like the way they smell, or anything like that. (keywords: Second Intifada) ... I've made it really easy for you now.
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2 years ago, 14 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,815
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC double-posted this 2 years ago, 33 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,816
@1,261,812 (E)
They are discriminatory against Mulims and did put them in a ghetto
They are discriminatory against Mulims and did put them in a ghetto
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dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,818
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
but that's okay because all palestinians are Hamas and the Hamas charter said kill jews
but that's okay because all palestinians are Hamas and the Hamas charter said kill jews
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,823
@previous (dj coco nutty)
Seeing what American propaganda has done to make people see this as being okay, makes me feel crazy
Seeing what American propaganda has done to make people see this as being okay, makes me feel crazy
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,828
@1,261,815 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> None of this is relevant
Sorry, you can't just cherry pick the bits out of history that fit your distorted world view and discard the rest as irrelevant.
Nobody gets to do that.
> None of this is relevant
Sorry, you can't just cherry pick the bits out of history that fit your distorted world view and discard the rest as irrelevant.
Nobody gets to do that.
dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 37 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,829
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,830
@1,261,816 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> They are discriminatory against Mulims and did put them in a ghetto
Wrong. They put up a wall to stop the Arabs from massacring and suicide bomming the shit out of them every week.
And guess what, it worked - the number of suicide bombings greatly reduced (from hundreds in 2002 to under 10 in 2010).
> They are discriminatory against Mulims and did put them in a ghetto
Wrong. They put up a wall to stop the Arabs from massacring and suicide bomming the shit out of them every week.
And guess what, it worked - the number of suicide bombings greatly reduced (from hundreds in 2002 to under 10 in 2010).
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Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,834
@previous (E)
They've killed far more Palestinians than vice versa. Should Israelis be put in a ghetto?
They've killed far more Palestinians than vice versa. Should Israelis be put in a ghetto?
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,836
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> They've killed far more Palestinians than vice versa.
You keep repeating this with great certainty. What are your main sources?
> Should Israelis be put in a ghetto?
Nobody should be put in ghettos.
> They've killed far more Palestinians than vice versa.
You keep repeating this with great certainty. What are your main sources?
> Should Israelis be put in a ghetto?
Nobody should be put in ghettos.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,837
@previous (E)
The fact that you'd think it's the opposite is odd and frightening to me
Also Israel has a very long history of human rights violations, the documentation of such is easy to find
I posted this info yesterday. Feel free to go after it
The fact that you'd think it's the opposite is odd and frightening to me
Also Israel has a very long history of human rights violations, the documentation of such is easy to find
I posted this info yesterday. Feel free to go after it
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,838
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> The fact that you'd think it's the opposite is odd and frightening to me
That odd, frightened feeling is mutual.
> Also Israel has a very long history of human rights violations, the documentation of such is easy to find
I don't deny it.
Can you also possibly find it in yourself to admit that Hamas are terrorists and what they have done is pure evil?
> The fact that you'd think it's the opposite is odd and frightening to me
That odd, frightened feeling is mutual.
> Also Israel has a very long history of human rights violations, the documentation of such is easy to find
I don't deny it.
Can you also possibly find it in yourself to admit that Hamas are terrorists and what they have done is pure evil?
dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,841
@previous (E)
yes because life is a marvel movie and you're either good or evil and deserve to be exterminated
yes because life is a marvel movie and you're either good or evil and deserve to be exterminated
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,842
@1,261,838 (E)
You have no reason to believe that Hamas has killed more Israelis than the Israeli government has killed Palestinians
So why do you think its so? The reason is US propaganda
I admit that what Hamas has done is equivalently evil to what the Israeli government has and continues to do to Palestinians
You have no reason to believe that Hamas has killed more Israelis than the Israeli government has killed Palestinians
So why do you think its so? The reason is US propaganda
I admit that what Hamas has done is equivalently evil to what the Israeli government has and continues to do to Palestinians
Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 19 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,845
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
> You have no reason to believe that Hamas has killed more Israelis than the Israeli government has killed Palestinians
But I don't believe that and have never claimed it, for the very good reason that I just don't know for sure. Unlike you I think it is almost impossible to estimate. I suspect the total number of killings is roughly equal, but I'm not willing to go any further than that.
> So why do you think its so? The reason is US propaganda
I'm not even American. I don't watch those nutjob channels of yours that insist on putting ludicrous spins on absolutely everything. Instead I try as far as possible to get as close to the source of truth as I can, which is sometimes extremely difficult.
I don't like to "think" or "believe" things, I like to know them beyond a doubt. And even then, I constantly doubt myself... which is why I an genuinely interested to know what your sources are and what makes you so sure.
> I admit that what Hamas has done is equivalently evil to what the Israeli government has and continues to do to Palestinians
OK, we'll have to leave it at that then. Thank you for all your responses and your time.
> You have no reason to believe that Hamas has killed more Israelis than the Israeli government has killed Palestinians
But I don't believe that and have never claimed it, for the very good reason that I just don't know for sure. Unlike you I think it is almost impossible to estimate. I suspect the total number of killings is roughly equal, but I'm not willing to go any further than that.
> So why do you think its so? The reason is US propaganda
I'm not even American. I don't watch those nutjob channels of yours that insist on putting ludicrous spins on absolutely everything. Instead I try as far as possible to get as close to the source of truth as I can, which is sometimes extremely difficult.
I don't like to "think" or "believe" things, I like to know them beyond a doubt. And even then, I constantly doubt myself... which is why I an genuinely interested to know what your sources are and what makes you so sure.
> I admit that what Hamas has done is equivalently evil to what the Israeli government has and continues to do to Palestinians
OK, we'll have to leave it at that then. Thank you for all your responses and your time.
dj coco nutty replied with this 2 years ago, 20 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,852
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,261,854
What if we just asked both sides to knock it off and get along?