Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago#113,968
Now that Hamas has beheaded children and babies, are you beginning to change your mind about calling them freedom fighters, rather than savages and terrorists?
Is it a little more clear who the bad guys are in this conflict?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,261,458
@previous (dw !p9hU2xjzV6) > Can't they both be bad guys
Which group attacks women, toddlers and old people, and which group attacks soldiers and military targets?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,261,460
@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
Do you have evidence that Israelis deliberately target Palestinian children? I totally agree that children dying in airstrikes as collateral damage is atrocious, but I don't see how you can argue that the deliberate beheading of babies isn't far worse.
Also, if Hamas is truly concerned about collateral damage, why don't they evacuate civilians, esp. children, instead of using them as human shields?
No. One side must be the heroes and the other must be the villains. How else are Western governments and their servile media lackeys supposed to sell a war to a fatuous public raised on Marvel and DC garbage?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,469
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U) > > Can't they both be bad guys > > No. One side must be the heroes and the other must be the villains. How else are Western governments and their servile media lackeys supposed to sell a war to a fatuous public raised on Marvel and DC garbage?
I know that when one brings up Hitler and the Nazis in any discussion, it is immediately over, but why don't people have this same kind of trouble identifying the bad guys when it comes to the 3rd Reich?
There are quite a lot of similarities you know, the main one being the desire to exterminate Jews. Haj Amin al-Husseini asked Hitler and Ribbentrop to help him do it in Palestine in 1941. (Hitler only liked al-Husseini because he was white, blond and blue-eyed, otherwise in general he thought Arabs were "half apes").
> Because Russian media is never like that and is fairy balanced. 🤡
Watch a lot of Russian media do you? Oh that's right, your free and democratic government has forbidden you from watching it. For your own good of course. Which is why you posted that retarded thread about Russia bombing the market on September 6th, when it was blindingly obvious it was Ukraine that did it. How many times do you morons have to be fooled over and over again by the exact same groups of people before you actually start to realise you're being fooled?
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,477
@previous (dw !p9hU2xjzV6)
No, just endlessly amazed at how gullible some folk are. To be fair it does tend to be the "fuck niggers and Jews" brigade. "Let's dress Zelenskiy up like Action Man and tell him to grow a little beard and the Svets of the world will be #SlavaUkrainiing all through the night". Western governments aren't stupid. They know their dumb audience.
Erik !saAqdaazn2 replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,479
@1,261,472 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Of course I don't watch Russian media but it doesn't take a genius to search and find out how the state is controlling it and it doesn't take a genius to know that all worldwide media has a bias, just some more than others.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,497
@previous (F) > Off topic but aren’t Russia and Israel sort of friendly?
Ssh, don't tell the American media. The enemy is not allowed to be the friend of my friend.
> Off topic but aren’t Russia and Israel sort of friendly?
Yes, Russia has good relations with both Israel and Palestine. It's what can happen when your entire organisational principle isn't to divide the world into enemies and allies.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 25 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,505
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > the same treatment
Because delibrately beheading toddlers and machine gunning entire families in their beds is absolutely not "the same" as what the Israelis have been doing to the Palestinians.
I freely admit that the Israelis have treated the Palestinians like utter shit, subjected them to apartheid, and have no respect for their lives.
Why is it so difficult for you to admit that what Hamas just did is on a whole new level of abhorrent? Is it because you feel they are inferior in some way and so they must be judged by a lower standard of morals and behaviour?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,512
@1,261,508 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
OK then. There's no point in continuing this discussion if you cannot or will not bring yourself to condemn people who would deliberately and intentionally (not as a result of regretful collateral damage) behead children. If you really think that's OK, then there is something very very wrong with you.
> missile strikes that take out whole neighborhoods
Just one thing about this: have you condidered how and why this could happen, given that Israel always attacks military targets and warns before doing so? Every government in every country in the world is duty bound to protect its civilians, especially in a time of war. Why then does Hamas place its most important military buildings in densely populated residential areas? Why do they not evacuate these neighbourhoods prior to attacks or at least warn people?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 5 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,517
@1,261,513 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > You didn't ask me to condem anything
I did in my original post. I asked if you could admit they were savages and terrorists.
It seems you can't though. Oh well. Thanks for responding anyway.
> Because delibrately beheading toddlers and machine gunning entire families in their beds
Wow, that's exactly what the Twitterverse said the Russian army was doing to Ukrainians in the first month of the war! It's almost like these people use the exact same script.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 7 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,525
@1,261,520 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Citation needed. Let's see this script.
The difference this time, you simpleton, is the overwhelming, gruesome evidence that it actually did happen. This isn't just based on testimony from 1 or 2 unreliable witnesses.
The fact that you are fobbing this off as some sort of conspiracy theory just goes to show what an ignorant clot you are.
Let's see how this ages though. Maybe you'll turn out to be right, but I seriously doubt it.
@1,261,522 (tteh !MemesToDNA) > How do Hamas feel about LGBTQIA+ rights? I need to know before I pick a side.
lol
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,527
@1,261,525 (A)
Christ you're a moron. 2 years from now you'll be screaming about how the Chinese army are beheading Taiwanese babies because you saw someone say it on Reddit.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,528
@1,261,525 (A) > > How do Hamas feel about LGBTQIA+ rights? I need to know before I pick a side. > lol
Look, I don't for a moment doubt the peacefulness of political Islam. I'm just wondering.
> there is no evidence of babies being beheaded dumbass
There’s videos on telegram. News isn’t showing it because of obvious reasons. Just go on /pol/ and there are WebMs if you want to see actual video proof.
boof joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 48 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,532
@1,261,460 (A)
I don't understand why we use the phrase "human shields" in this context, when time and time again we see the Israeli armaments easily cut right through them.
Anonymous F replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,533
@previous (boof)
They are human shields in a metaphorical sense r*tard
The reason Hamas puts there military stuff in residential areas is so that if Israel blows up some rocket pad on top an apartment building they can say “look how horrible they destroyed this apartment building!”
> They are human shields in a metaphorical sense r*tard > > The reason Hamas puts there military stuff in residential areas is so that if Israel blows up some rocket pad on top an apartment building they can say “look how horrible they destroyed this apartment building!”
well then use a phrase that meets that description, not some nonsense about how there is any effectiveness whatsoever about how they are shields, when clearly they are not.
tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,536
@1,261,534 (dj coco nutty)
They fire unguided missiles into Israel which threaten Israeli hospitals, schools, residential buildings, etc., and then are shocked about the Israeli response. But Hamas don't care, in fact they openly adopt the human shield policy and encourage it.
It's no secret they attack Israel and hide behind hospitals and schools and indeed mosques.
The "but they have nowhere to fire them from otherwise" line is a very old one.
tteh !MemesToDNA double-posted this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,261,539
And if they truly do have "nowhere to fire them from", e.g. all of Gaza is "residential" (it's not), then perhaps stop sending unguided rockets into the country supplying your gas, water, electricity, much of your medical care, etc.?
Now Hamas have decided to kill thousands of civilians, it's over for them. This is hopefully the end of Hamas and probably the end of non-Israeli control of Gaza.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,261,722
@1,261,710 (N)
You are of course absolutely right, which is why I gave up arguing half way through this thread, around when Father Twatface et al started their mockery and denial.