Topic: Bert

Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago #113,672

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/25/trump-nbc-msnbc-comcast-country-threatening-treason?fbclid=IwAR1JxGK2229C55j_mIkCRxOU5yFvJ5tczrYhv23fUdVzcFL6PsB1DuDexa8

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #1,258,675

He's right you know.

Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,676

And? Does he not have a right to free speech?

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,677

> theguardian.com
> .com

Anonymous D double-posted this 2 years ago, 39 seconds later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,678

> fbclid=IwAR1JxGK2229C55j_mIkCRxOU5yFvJ5tczrYhv23fUdVzcFL6PsB1DuDexa8
geolocating you as we speak.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,680

@1,258,676 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Yes, and others can use their right to free speech to call him out on his anti-American bullshit.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,682

@previous (E)
Not if they are libeling him.

Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,683

@previous (D)
Correctly characterizing someone's words is not libel.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 55 seconds later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,684

@previous (E)
Yes it is.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,685

@1,258,676 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Chickenshit pussy

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,686

@1,258,680 (E)
That's great, it's just not treason in any meaningful sense of the word, though.

Anonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,687

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
No one said it was treason. It is however, very anti-American to threaten the press for being critical of the government.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,689

@1,258,685 (A)
You seem extremely upset. Do you need a tissue?

dw !p9hU6ckyqw joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 10 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,792

@1,258,676 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Doesnt nbc?

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 2 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,839

@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
But not a right to lie.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,841

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Lies are protected speech.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 47 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,849

@1,258,839 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
have they?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,869

@1,258,839 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Everyone in the US has a right to lie, just not under oath.

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,871

@previous (A)
Legally yes, morally no.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,872

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
then why do you support Donald Trump, one of the world's greatest liars?

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 38 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,876

@1,258,869 (A)
@1,258,871 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Legally no, morally no. Federal dox and libel laws. Thanks.

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,878

@1,258,872 (A)
He is deeply flawed and I have never said otherwise. However, he is the last, best, hope for making America great again.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,879

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
When was America last great?

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 16 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,884

@previous (A)
It's hard to pin down an exact date (a bit like asking when, exactly the Roman Empire collapsed). Different people will argue different dates.

I would say the election of FDR and our entry in WWII signaled the end of America's greatness.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,885

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Was America great then for non white males?

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,886

@previous (A)
Was Rome great for everyone in that society?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,887

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Certainly not. But I am asking about America. You think it was "great" at a time when much of society was not equally treated. You want to "make it great again," implying you want a return to that.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 19 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,897

@1,258,884 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
FDR was sworn in in January 1933 so what was great about America in 1932 that ended in 1933?

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,899

@1,258,885 (A)
Yes.

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,900

@1,258,887 (A)
Would you say everything has to be great for everyone in a society, for that society to be "great"?

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 6 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,901

@1,258,884 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Bad take. The height of American technological and cultural power was after WWII, not before. After Europe suicided, the US was the only player left in town. In retrospect, the USSR wasn't nearly the threat it was made out to be and the US was the sole superpower for longer than is commonly acknowledged. I would say somewhere around the time of the Apollo missions was the peak. I think the symbolism really captures it on multiple levels.

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,903

@previous (D)
We could have also achieved great things without the war. It's not like technology stopped in 1945!

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,905

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Could have, but probably wouldn't of. Destroying Europe, particularly Germany as the scientific leader not only pushed the US up (relatively), but also absolutely. Many of the people involved in the Manhattan project, and various Nasa programs were directly from Germany. Without the war, they would've have had no reason to have immigrated away from the center of science, technology, culture and so on.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,907

@1,258,900 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Yes

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,909

@previous (A)
No

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 14 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,914

@1,258,907 (A)
So no human society, ever, has been great then?

Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 19 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,918

@1,258,884 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
The answer is obviously 1453 and anyone arguing otherwise is insane. Thanks.

@1,258,886 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Yes, actually!

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,920

@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Was it good for Jesus?

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,921

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
It made him Lord of Lords, King of Kings... so yes!

Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,923

@1,258,920 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Yes, actually, it was one of the main reasons that his religion eventually took off.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,979

@1,258,914 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
Correct. Humans are shit, a plague upon the planet.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,980

@previous (A)
> Humans are shit, a plague upon the planet.

#thingsLiberalsSay

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 32 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,981

@previous (D)
Proudly liberal. Thanks.

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,984

@1,258,979 (A)
Cool then there's no reason to get upset at whether or not America was "great" for one or more demographics at some arbitrary point in the past!

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,986

@previous (Meta !Sober//iZs)
All humans are shit, but some are more shit than others.

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,989

@previous (A)
You just said every society in history worldwide is shit so we're really just debating angels on the head of a pin at this point.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 54 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,990

@1,258,986 (A)
Does this also apply to different cultures? Different races?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 41 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,258,991

@1,258,989 (Meta !Sober//iZs)
People are shit, but some have redeeming qualities. Slave owners do not, for example.

Meta !Sober//iZs replied with this 2 years ago, 15 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,259,111

@previous (A)
How many slave owners were there in 1930s America, again?