Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago#113,291
I’ve been an atheist/agnostic since I was 12, but I’ve gotten really into traditional values this year and find myself fascinated by religion and specifically the religion that I was raised on: Christianity.
I still find the mythos very hard to believe. I still don’t believe in God, and still believe in science. How can I reconcile my yearning for trad life with my present secular beliefs?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,254,878
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
No, but does it matter what she wants in this hypothetical scenario? Just a little bit of edge with the promise to be a good Christian man and you can go a looong way.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,254,940
@1,254,927 (H)
Yes it is. People believe in it. I fundamentally know that the Earth has existed for around four and a half billion years and humans have existed for a couple hundred thousand. I don't want to believe in young earth creationism.
@1,254,898 (G)
I was raised Southern Baptist but I don't really like that as much because it's so heavily intertwined with YEC. I don't know which denominations are science-friendly while keeping the same traditional beliefs.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,254,953
@previous (H)
It is quite literally a belief system though, because people believe the empirical evidence of certain claims. There's absolutely zero way to actual prove anything since we weren't there to observe it, but we believe it as proof because it's the most logical explanation.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,254,956
@previous (A) > It is quite literally a belief system though, because people believe the empirical evidence of certain claims.
The second clause doesn't make the first true.
> There's absolutely zero way to actual prove anything since we weren't there to observe it
Now we're talking!
> but we believe it as proof because it's the most logical explanation.
...and you lost me again. That does not follow, logically or otherwise.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,254,957
@previous (H)
I'm not a GPT bot, do you expect me to be trained in 100% infallible logic? Either way, the last statement does make sense and I don't see how you don't see that. We have to accept the best explanation we have.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,254,958
@previous (A)
Yes, I do expect you are capable of infallible logic within the context of this discussion, which is actually something GPT sucks ass at.
> Either way, the last statement does make sense and I don't see how you don't see that.
Here's the statement in question: > but we believe it as proof because it's the most logical explanation.
Tell me why you believe it's the most logical explanation.
> We have to accept the best explanation we have.
We literally don't have to do anything!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,254,960
@previous (H)
It's the most logical explanation because we have looked at lots of numbers and data and determined it to be so. I mean, I haven't done it myself, so I can't really know for certain. That's why I believe it. Now we getting somewhere?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,254,963
@previous (H)
You're asking the wrong guy, buddy! I'm not a fuckin scientist so I don't know why your coming at me with all these damn questions. Get off my back.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 12 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#1,255,327
@1,254,881 (D)
This guy gets it. Forcing yourself to be a Christian is unlikely to be some magic shortcut to getting a Christian girlfriend. Not only are you living a lie, you would also be deceiving your partner. And that just sounds exhausting and depressing to me.
OP, this won't work out. Don't force yourself to be something you aren't.