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Topic: Britain's invincible Challenger II tank finally arrives in Ukraine!

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U started this discussion 2 years ago #113,212

And lasts all of 2 weeks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/05/british-challenger-2-tank-destroyed-in-combat-for-first-time-ukraine-footage-shows


UK's Ministry of Defence has issued a statement:

"We don't get it. This tank was absolutely indestructible when it was blasting through Iraqi cow sheds and Afghan villages. There must be some mistake here"

tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 35 minutes later[^] [v] #1,254,029

I didn't think they were even deploying them.

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,031

@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
No choice, all the "game changing" German and French crap has already been blown up.

Ivan from Vladivostok joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,045

Da, tovarich. England vehicles are being much inferior to superior vehicles of motherland.

Hey, Dave, are you remembering when glorious Russian military swoop into Ukraine with unstoppable vehicle and air superiority and crush resistance? Is now only short time before special military operation is over!

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,046

@previous (Ivan from Vladivostok)

> Da, tovarich.

"Tovarish". It ends with a щ, not a Ч. Look: Товарищ.

Bless you for the teaching opportunity friend!

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 19 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,053

@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
https://theglobalmontessorinetwork.org/resource/primary/pronunciation-c-english/

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,055

@previous (D)
Russian is not English you berk.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,057

@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Romanizing a Russian word in a novel way doesn't mean they would have selected the wrong cyrillic character. 'c' can make both sounds.

(Edited 1 minute later.)

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,059

@previous (D)

> Romanizing a Russian word in a novel way
> novel way

Keep digging :)

Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,060

U.S. and British veterans are fighting alongside al Qaeda members.
This is what the Ukrainian fight looks like.

Erik !saAqdaazn2 joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 40 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,066

@OP

Still lasted two more weeks than the average Russian tank.

Oh, and all crew survived unlike Russians burning on the side of the road.

(Edited 40 seconds later.)

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,067

NOW DO THE PEOPLE FINALLY SEE?!

Meta !Sober//iZs joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,070

So did someone win yet or is this like the 78th straight week of "The other guys will fall apart in a week now"?

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 27 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,089

A tank was blown up? In a war? Say it ain't so!

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,090

Let’s say Ukraine does fall. Who’s to say the Ukrainians won’t operate an insurgency?

I don’t think this is going to end well for Russia regardless if they usurp the Ukrainian government. The West is just gonna smuggle in millions of dollars to Ukrainian rebels.

Anonymous J double-posted this 2 years ago, 40 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,091

It’s just gonna end up being like Afghanistan or Vietnam.

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,092

@1,254,089 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

> An "invincible" Challenger II tank was blown up for the first time in its 30 year history of massacring Serbian plumbers and Iraqi goat herders?

Yep! More NATO shit that doesn't last a week when it's not slaughtering tens of thousands of defenceless Middle Eastern civilians.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 28 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,097

@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Tanks fare worse when they are fighting other tanks, yes. No piece of military equipment is invincible. How many Russian infantry and tanks did it take out before it got blown up? I have no way to judge its effectiveness here.

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,104

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

> Tanks fare worse when they are fighting other tanks, yes.

Yep. 30 years of NATO tanks killing defenceless people. I laughed my ass off when the UK MoD boasted about the fact that a Challenger had never been destroyed in battle. Yeah, look who you've been 'fighting'!

> How many Russian infantry and tanks did it take out before it got blown up?

Zelenskiy says it took out 6 Russian brigades. A retired 4-star general on CNN said it shows taxpayers need to purchase more of them for Ukraine.


#ToTheLastUkrainian

dw !p9hU6ckyqw joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 2 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,185

@1,254,060 (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
u wot

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,205

@1,254,104 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
I'm just saying Russia has had 1500 tanks destroyed and it seems a bit peculiar to focus on one British tank that was destroyed with no loss of crew life.

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,208

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

> that was destroyed with no loss of crew life.

Who told you this?

As for the rest you're continuing to miss the point about the UK loudly boasting back in February that no Challenger tank had ever been destroyed in its 30 years history. Yeah, that's because you've spent 30 years attacking Middle Eastern villages. Typical of NATO to talk up its weaponry based on how well it kills defenceless people.

(Edited 3 minutes later.)

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,210

@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
The article you linked did. If you linked to something that isn't true I'm happy to not believe it.

Yes the UK government is full of braggarts and blowhard. Fortunately no such people exist in the Russian government.

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,214

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

> The article you linked did.

Let's try again shall we. Who in the article I linked told you this?

> Yes the UK government is full of braggarts and blowhard. Fortunately no such people exist in the Russian government.

Aaaand there's the inevitable whataboutism.

Fake anon !jVmul2rFOI joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,215

@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> Let's try again shall we.
No.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,218

@1,254,214 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Why, the ever reliable "Western Sources" of course. Even if everyone in the crew died, one tank being blown up in a war that has seen literally thousands of tanks blown up, disabled, or captured is probably not going to change the course of the war.

> Aaaand there's the inevitable whataboutism.
I hate the British and the Russians. I hope they nuke eachother tomorrow. I just think you're developing a little bit of tunnel vision here.

(Edited 29 seconds later.)

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,224

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

> Why, the ever reliable "Western Sources" of course.

Thank you. The same "Western sources" that in one paragraph claim to know exactly what type of drone struck the tank and the manner in which the crew all safely escaped...but then in literally the next paragraph they have no fucking idea WHERE the event even happened. When I ask myself how you guys believe the utter nonsense you do about this war, I remind myself that your "Western sources" have systematically disabled your ability to critically assess the information they feed you.

> Even if everyone in the crew died, one tank being blown up in a war that has seen literally thousands of tanks blown up, disabled, or captured is probably not going to change the course of the war.

We've now taken 3 passes at it and I've accepted you're never gonna grasp the point. I can only suggest you do the same.

> I hate the British and the Russians.

With such hateful xenophobia I see why you support Ukraine.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,234

@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> Thank you. The same "Western sources" that in one paragraph claim to know exactly what type of drone struck the tank and the manner in which the crew all safely escaped...but then in literally the next paragraph they have no fucking idea WHERE the event even happened.
The paragraph where they say it hit a mine? If it hit a mine, the crew probably wasn't driving around Lviv delivering groceries to someone's grandma.

> We've now taken 3 passes at it and I've accepted you're never gonna grasp the point. I can only suggest you do the same.
No I get it perfectly, it's just a point with zero rhetorical force so I remain unmoved.

> With such hateful xenophobia I see why you support Ukraine.
Aw I'm just kidding, I don't hate the Russians.

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,249

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

> The paragraph where they say it hit a mine? If it hit a mine, the crew probably wasn't driving around Lviv delivering groceries to someone's grandma.

Correct, it was probably somewhere along the 1100-kilometer front line. And you yet again missed the point. If they know the crew survived then it logically follows they must know where the event occurred. Otherwise how did they verify the crew survived? Again, this is basic critical thinking that they assume (correctly) you guys won't/can't employ.

Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 16 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,261

@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
No I got that. They're reporting Western Sources who are in turn reporting something that the Ukraine MoD probably told them, which they took at face value and didn't/couldn't investigate. Don't worry, I can follow a reporting trail with the best of The Guardian reporters, but my atrophied Western brain will go no further than that.

Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,254,265

@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

> No I got that.

Doesn't seem like you did...

@1,254,205 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)

> one British tank that was destroyed with no loss of crew life.

...but this became deathly dull a long time ago so I'll leave it there.
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