Topic: Ukraine opens up new front that could lead to Crimea
Aleksey from Glazkovo started this discussion 2 years ago #112,996
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66662851
Although in my opinion, Ukraine should just accept that might is right and give up its land.
Although in my opinion, Ukraine should just accept that might is right and give up its land.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later[^] [v] #1,251,886
I bought a lottery ticket that could lead to a billion dollars. Where is my headline?
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tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 27 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,887
I know in this instance it refers to pushing them 'back to' Crimea, i.e. "only" kicking them out of Ukraine proper, but I find it pretty crazy there are "analysts" out there who think Ukraine stands a snowball's chance in Hell of retaking the peninsula, by force or by diplomacy.
First it was Ben Hodges in late 2022 saying it'd happen by Christmas (later "mid-2023"), now Ben Wallace thinks it'll happen by year's end.
And then you have stuff like this:
One Ukrainian analyst told Foreign Policy that there is credible talk among government officials in Kyiv about attempting to retake Crimea even before fully capturing the Donbas region, where most of the fighting is now taking place. Alina Frolova, the deputy chair of the Centre for Defence Strategies in Kyiv and a former deputy defense minister of Ukraine, said Ukrainian political and military elites have increasingly signaled over the last few months that the reclamation of Crimea is their explicit goal. She added that the government is supported in its quest by some parts of the Biden administration.
Are we looking at the same maps??
First it was Ben Hodges in late 2022 saying it'd happen by Christmas (later "mid-2023"), now Ben Wallace thinks it'll happen by year's end.
And then you have stuff like this:
One Ukrainian analyst told Foreign Policy that there is credible talk among government officials in Kyiv about attempting to retake Crimea even before fully capturing the Donbas region, where most of the fighting is now taking place. Alina Frolova, the deputy chair of the Centre for Defence Strategies in Kyiv and a former deputy defense minister of Ukraine, said Ukrainian political and military elites have increasingly signaled over the last few months that the reclamation of Crimea is their explicit goal. She added that the government is supported in its quest by some parts of the Biden administration.
Are we looking at the same maps??
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,889
@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Any piece of territory could theoretically be taken by anyone. I don't think an amphibious assault will succeed tomorrow, but if (huge if obviously) Ukraine is able to reach Melitopol and sever the land connection from Russia to Crimea, they will be able to much more easily blow up the Kerch strait bridge and hit resupply ships, making it much more costly for Russia to hold Crimea. Obviously if you had to pick the one thing in Ukraine Putin least wants to give up control over, it's Crimea, so they won't get it, but any resources Russia spends defending Crimea are resources they aren't using to fight in Donetsk or Luhansk or whatever.
Any piece of territory could theoretically be taken by anyone. I don't think an amphibious assault will succeed tomorrow, but if (huge if obviously) Ukraine is able to reach Melitopol and sever the land connection from Russia to Crimea, they will be able to much more easily blow up the Kerch strait bridge and hit resupply ships, making it much more costly for Russia to hold Crimea. Obviously if you had to pick the one thing in Ukraine Putin least wants to give up control over, it's Crimea, so they won't get it, but any resources Russia spends defending Crimea are resources they aren't using to fight in Donetsk or Luhansk or whatever.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 52 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,910
@1,251,887 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> I know in this instance it refers to pushing them 'back to' Crimea, i.e. "only" kicking them out of Ukraine proper, but I find it pretty crazy there are "analysts" out there who think Ukraine stands a snowball's chance in Hell of retaking the peninsula, by force or by diplomacy.
To be honest I don't think anyone in the Biden admin or their EU lackeys seriously believes Ukraine is ever taking back Crimea, or any of the other territories it's now lost. The aim now is just to string the Ukrainians (and the 'Slava Ukraini' brigade) along for as long as possible. Scrap all the old NATO junk in Ukraine with the help of a few hundred thousand disposable Ukrainians, weaken the EU, and get the vassal states like Germany and the UK more entirely under Washington's control. Ukraine was always going to be sacrificed by the US. Always.
> I know in this instance it refers to pushing them 'back to' Crimea, i.e. "only" kicking them out of Ukraine proper, but I find it pretty crazy there are "analysts" out there who think Ukraine stands a snowball's chance in Hell of retaking the peninsula, by force or by diplomacy.
To be honest I don't think anyone in the Biden admin or their EU lackeys seriously believes Ukraine is ever taking back Crimea, or any of the other territories it's now lost. The aim now is just to string the Ukrainians (and the 'Slava Ukraini' brigade) along for as long as possible. Scrap all the old NATO junk in Ukraine with the help of a few hundred thousand disposable Ukrainians, weaken the EU, and get the vassal states like Germany and the UK more entirely under Washington's control. Ukraine was always going to be sacrificed by the US. Always.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U double-posted this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,911
@1,251,889 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Any piece of territory could theoretically be taken by anyone. I don't think an amphibious assault will succeed tomorrow, but if (huge if obviously) Ukraine is able to reach Melitopol and sever the land connection from Russia to Crimea, they will be able to much more easily blow up the Kerch strait bridge and hit resupply ships, making it much more costly for Russia to hold Crimea. Obviously if you had to pick the one thing in Ukraine Putin least wants to give up control over, it's Crimea, so they won't get it, but any resources Russia spends defending Crimea are resources they aren't using to fight in Donetsk or Luhansk or whatever.
So with this in mind, don't you think it would have been more sensible for 'Ukraine' to agree to NATO neutrality, Crimea being Russian, and autonomy (NOT Russian territory, as they now are, along with Kherson and Zaporizhiya) for Donetsk and Luhansk? Then all this senseless bloodshed could have been avoided.
> Any piece of territory could theoretically be taken by anyone. I don't think an amphibious assault will succeed tomorrow, but if (huge if obviously) Ukraine is able to reach Melitopol and sever the land connection from Russia to Crimea, they will be able to much more easily blow up the Kerch strait bridge and hit resupply ships, making it much more costly for Russia to hold Crimea. Obviously if you had to pick the one thing in Ukraine Putin least wants to give up control over, it's Crimea, so they won't get it, but any resources Russia spends defending Crimea are resources they aren't using to fight in Donetsk or Luhansk or whatever.
So with this in mind, don't you think it would have been more sensible for 'Ukraine' to agree to NATO neutrality, Crimea being Russian, and autonomy (NOT Russian territory, as they now are, along with Kherson and Zaporizhiya) for Donetsk and Luhansk? Then all this senseless bloodshed could have been avoided.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 23 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,912
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Aleksey from Glazkovo (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,918
@1,251,911 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Totally right, comrade. Ukraine should have just done what putin wanted. In fact, Ukraine should have never overthrown their government and stayed under Putins control.
Totally right, comrade. Ukraine should have just done what putin wanted. In fact, Ukraine should have never overthrown their government and stayed under Putins control.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,919
@1,251,917 (F)
Better instead to lose 20% of your territory, 60% of your wealth, 100% of your sovereignty, and hundreds of thousands of people? Fair enough. There's a job in the US State Department waiting for you. They share your calculus.
Better instead to lose 20% of your territory, 60% of your wealth, 100% of your sovereignty, and hundreds of thousands of people? Fair enough. There's a job in the US State Department waiting for you. They share your calculus.
Anonymous F replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,921
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Yes, it is. If you have a better proposal, let's hear it. There was a seat on Prigozhin's jet waiting for you where the two of you could've fleshed this all out in detail. Too bad you missed it. But don't worry, there will be similar flights available for you soon enough. You'll be in good company.
Yes, it is. If you have a better proposal, let's hear it. There was a seat on Prigozhin's jet waiting for you where the two of you could've fleshed this all out in detail. Too bad you missed it. But don't worry, there will be similar flights available for you soon enough. You'll be in good company.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,922
@1,251,918 (Aleksey from Glazkovo)> Ukraine should have never overthrown their government
Legit lol'd.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U double-posted this 2 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,923
@1,251,921 (F)
> Yes, it is. If you have a better proposal, let's hear it.
Keep up lad:
@1,251,911 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> Yes, it is. If you have a better proposal, let's hear it.
Keep up lad:
@1,251,911 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,924
@1,251,887 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
The maps they use have a color for the areas that the Russians passed through on their advance to Kiev as "reclaimed territory".
US/UK media are there to boost morale and lure in investors for the war.
The maps they use have a color for the areas that the Russians passed through on their advance to Kiev as "reclaimed territory".
US/UK media are there to boost morale and lure in investors for the war.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,935
@1,251,925 (F)
So for you half a million dead Ukrainians is better than no dead Ukrainians. Yep, like I said, there's a glowing career waiting for you as Jake Sullivan's deputy.
So for you half a million dead Ukrainians is better than no dead Ukrainians. Yep, like I said, there's a glowing career waiting for you as Jake Sullivan's deputy.
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@1,251,936 (F)
So you admit to thinking half a million dead Ukrainians is better than no dead Ukrainians. Ok thanks, that'll be all.
So you admit to thinking half a million dead Ukrainians is better than no dead Ukrainians. Ok thanks, that'll be all.
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@1,251,887 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
Incidentally this is what gets me about a lot of news stories.
"One Ukrainian analyst..."
"Credible talk amongst government officials"
Who is this analyst and who are these officials? Are they credible? Are they just making shit up?
The one named source (who is in an NGO not the Ukrainian government/military) just says "Ukrainian political and military elites have increasingly signaled over the last few months that the reclamation of Crimea is their explicit goal." which was painfully obvious to everyone from Day 1 of this thing.
Incidentally this is what gets me about a lot of news stories.
"One Ukrainian analyst..."
"Credible talk amongst government officials"
Who is this analyst and who are these officials? Are they credible? Are they just making shit up?
The one named source (who is in an NGO not the Ukrainian government/military) just says "Ukrainian political and military elites have increasingly signaled over the last few months that the reclamation of Crimea is their explicit goal." which was painfully obvious to everyone from Day 1 of this thing.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,951
Aleksey from Glazkovo (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,956
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Yeah, screw that anon. This totally has nothing to do with Russia.
Yeah, screw that anon. This totally has nothing to do with Russia.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,957
@previous (Aleksey from Glazkovo)
> Yeah, screw that anon.
Agreed. Imagine thinking hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians is better than no dead Ukrainians.
> Yeah, screw that anon.
Agreed. Imagine thinking hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians is better than no dead Ukrainians.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 58 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,968
How come you suck Russian dick so much, commie?