Topic: In England, "middle class" means rich
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago #112,956
There is working class, middle class, and aristocracy/royals. Middle class is rich. In the USA, however, middle class is just middle range. upper class is rich, since the US has no aristocracy or royalty.
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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 6 hours later[^] [v] #1,251,551
Good to know.
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 28 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,553
The America middle class is anyone who isn't sleeping on the streets or a billionaire.
Small business owners and people behind on their rent are "middle class" thanks to MSM propaganda.
Small business owners and people behind on their rent are "middle class" thanks to MSM propaganda.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,556
Does it bollocks.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 39 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,564
@previous (Erik !saAqdaazn2)
Depends on the region. Middle class in St Petersburg is very different to middle class in some far eastern Siberian town because the median income between the 2 is wildly different.
Depends on the region. Middle class in St Petersburg is very different to middle class in some far eastern Siberian town because the median income between the 2 is wildly different.
Erik !saAqdaazn2 replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,567
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 14 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,569
@previous (Erik !saAqdaazn2)
The same answer. The Ural mountains are 2500 kilometres long, from the Arctic all the way down to Kazakhstan, and cover over 2 million square kilometres. I don't think you understand the scale of this country.
The same answer. The Ural mountains are 2500 kilometres long, from the Arctic all the way down to Kazakhstan, and cover over 2 million square kilometres. I don't think you understand the scale of this country.
Erik !saAqdaazn2 replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,570
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Can you just chill out and humour me? Pick a town or city in a mining region near the urals
Can you just chill out and humour me? Pick a town or city in a mining region near the urals
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,583
@previous (Erik !saAqdaazn2)
It depends on the mining region. The Urals span the entire length of the country, and everything from gold to nickel to diamonds to chromium is mined there. The median income will necessarily be different in each mining town or city.
But very well, let's take my old city Ekaterinburg as an example. I lived there for 4 years when I worked for Rosneft. Middle class there now would be about 2000 dollars a month salary.
It depends on the mining region. The Urals span the entire length of the country, and everything from gold to nickel to diamonds to chromium is mined there. The median income will necessarily be different in each mining town or city.
But very well, let's take my old city Ekaterinburg as an example. I lived there for 4 years when I worked for Rosneft. Middle class there now would be about 2000 dollars a month salary.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 41 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,587
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_federal_subjects_by_average_wage
Average wage is $590 USD in that oblast, and average wages are much higher than median in Russia because they have abnormally high inequality.
Your estimate is at least 4x off, probably much more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_federal_subjects_by_average_wage
Average wage is $590 USD in that oblast, and average wages are much higher than median in Russia because they have abnormally high inequality.
Your estimate is at least 4x off, probably much more.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,590
@previous (D)
There is a world of difference between Ekaterinburg and the broader Sverdlovskaya oblast. This is the point I've been making. You cannot survive in Ekaterinburg on 590 dollars a month, much less be considered middle class. You can in other regions of Sverdlovsk.
There is a world of difference between Ekaterinburg and the broader Sverdlovskaya oblast. This is the point I've been making. You cannot survive in Ekaterinburg on 590 dollars a month, much less be considered middle class. You can in other regions of Sverdlovsk.
Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,591
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
According to this: https://екатеринбург.рф/дляработы/экономика/развитие/итоги
The average wage in just the city of Yekaterinburg is also just under $600 per month.
About a third of the oblast lives in the city proper, so it's unsurprising these figure are similar.
According to this: https://екатеринбург.рф/дляработы/экономика/развитие/итоги
The average wage in just the city of Yekaterinburg is also just under $600 per month.
About a third of the oblast lives in the city proper, so it's unsurprising these figure are similar.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,592
@previous (D)
The link doesn't click.
Regardless, you're more than welcome to go to Ekaterinburg and try and survive on 600 dollars a month.
The link doesn't click.
Regardless, you're more than welcome to go to Ekaterinburg and try and survive on 600 dollars a month.
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Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,594
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Here's an archived version, the Cyrillic is probably breaking the hyperlink.
The average person in that city is already getting by on $600 or less.
EDIT: the punycode browsers use to represent Cyrillic is being interpreted as a strikethrough in the bbcode. I embedded it in a code block, but you'll have to copy and paste.
You can search up the figures yourself, the average wage is about $600 as of 2019. Given what's happened since, it is unlikely to be better.
Here's an archived version, the Cyrillic is probably breaking the hyperlink.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201202125522/https://xn--80acgfbsl1azdqr.xn--p1ai/%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8B/%D1%8D%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0/%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5/%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8
The average person in that city is already getting by on $600 or less.
EDIT: the punycode browsers use to represent Cyrillic is being interpreted as a strikethrough in the bbcode. I embedded it in a code block, but you'll have to copy and paste.
You can search up the figures yourself, the average wage is about $600 as of 2019. Given what's happened since, it is unlikely to be better.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,596
@previous (D)
Those figures are "white salary" (belaya zarplata), the 'official' sum companies declare for tax purposes. White salary tends to be around 40% of the total (the remainder is called "grey salary"). Again, I encourage you to check this for yourself by going to Ekaterinburg for a month with 600 bucks and see how long you last.
Those figures are "white salary" (belaya zarplata), the 'official' sum companies declare for tax purposes. White salary tends to be around 40% of the total (the remainder is called "grey salary"). Again, I encourage you to check this for yourself by going to Ekaterinburg for a month with 600 bucks and see how long you last.
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@1,251,596 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
There are tax benefits to declaring wages because those can be expenses deducted from tax liabilities. Paying under the table would have direct costs to businesses that seemed more profitable than they actually were.
You're saying there is some other more important benefit, and that it's widely practiced enough to make a typical $2,000/month salary look like $600?
Moreso, why is the official GDP a fraction of the western GDP if wages are comparable in a big city like this? Is the whole government doing this scam?
There are tax benefits to declaring wages because those can be expenses deducted from tax liabilities. Paying under the table would have direct costs to businesses that seemed more profitable than they actually were.
You're saying there is some other more important benefit, and that it's widely practiced enough to make a typical $2,000/month salary look like $600?
Moreso, why is the official GDP a fraction of the western GDP if wages are comparable in a big city like this? Is the whole government doing this scam?
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,604
@previous (D)
You're boring me so I'll repeat for the final time: go to Ekaterinburg for a month with 600 bucks in your pocket and see how long you survive.
You're boring me so I'll repeat for the final time: go to Ekaterinburg for a month with 600 bucks in your pocket and see how long you survive.
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@1,251,608 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
I gave you a citation for the Oblast and the City.
Two isn't enough?
I gave you a citation for the Oblast and the City.
Two isn't enough?
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,251,617
@previous (D)
No you didn't. And I'm talking to Anon G here. You had your chance to hold my interest and you blew it in spectacular fashion. Now toddle off.
No you didn't. And I'm talking to Anon G here. You had your chance to hold my interest and you blew it in spectacular fashion. Now toddle off.