Topic: Zelensky fires all Army recruitment directors for bribery/treason
tteh !MemesToDNA started this discussion 2 years ago #112,521
President Volodymyr Zelenskiy broadened his battle against graft on Friday, firing all the heads of Ukraine's regional army recruitment centres as the war with Russia enters a critical stage.
Zelenskiy said a state investigation into centres across Ukraine had exposed abuses by officials ranging from illegal enrichment to transporting draft-eligible men across the border despite a wartime ban on them leaving the country.
He said 112 criminal cases had been opened in a wide-ranging probe launched after a graft scandal at a recruitment office in Odesa region last month. He used harsh rhetoric likely to be welcomed by Ukrainians appalled by cases of wartime corruption.
"This system should be run by people who know exactly what war is and why cynicism and bribery during war is treason," he said, adding that those fired would be replaced by recent veterans and soldiers wounded at the front.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/Zelenskiy said a state investigation into centres across Ukraine had exposed abuses by officials ranging from illegal enrichment to transporting draft-eligible men across the border despite a wartime ban on them leaving the country.
He said 112 criminal cases had been opened in a wide-ranging probe launched after a graft scandal at a recruitment office in Odesa region last month. He used harsh rhetoric likely to be welcomed by Ukrainians appalled by cases of wartime corruption.
"This system should be run by people who know exactly what war is and why cynicism and bribery during war is treason," he said, adding that those fired would be replaced by recent veterans and soldiers wounded at the front.
Apparently they were taking bribes of up to $10,000 to help men dodge the draft.
"Some took cash, some took cryptocurrency — that's the only difference. The cynicism is the same everywhere," Zelenskyy said. "Illicit enrichment, legalization of illegally obtained funds, illegal benefit, illegal transportation of persons liable for military service across the border."
The idea of a bunch of cripples being in charge of recruitment during a war I find amusing:
Criminal proceedings are ongoing against 33 officials of Ukraine's territorial recruitment centers. Regardless of whether they are facing criminal proceedings, the directors of every recruitment center have been dismissed and will be replaced with veterans of the war.
"This system should be run by people who know exactly what war is and why cynicism and bribery during war is treason," Zelenskyy said. "Instead, warriors who have gone through the frontline or who cannot be in the trenches because they have lost their health, lost their limbs, but have retained their dignity and have no cynicism are the ones who can be entrusted with this system of recruitment."
"This system should be run by people who know exactly what war is and why cynicism and bribery during war is treason," Zelenskyy said. "Instead, warriors who have gone through the frontline or who cannot be in the trenches because they have lost their health, lost their limbs, but have retained their dignity and have no cynicism are the ones who can be entrusted with this system of recruitment."
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 36 minutes later[^] [v] #1,247,849
This corruption has been known about since day 1. $7000 paid to one of Zelenskiy's buddies was the price of a military aged man being allowed to flee the country. For 18 months this has gone on, until finally Ukrainskaya Pravda newspaper lambasted Zelenskiy for it so he "took action" (Zelenskiy also realises that he needs every warm body he can conscript right now).
But yeah, CNN are presenting this as "anti-corruption crusader Zelenskiy continues to clean up Ukraine!" Absolute fucking clowns.
#SendZelenskiyMoreBillions
But yeah, CNN are presenting this as "anti-corruption crusader Zelenskiy continues to clean up Ukraine!" Absolute fucking clowns.
#SendZelenskiyMoreBillions
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,851
I'm worried for Nikki Minaj. Her alter ego has gotten out of hand.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 30 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,859
Hopefully though the corrupt little maggot and his lackies will be voted out at the parliamentary elections in October and the presidential election next year.
Oh wait, that can't happen anymore because Crown Prince of Democracy Zelenskiy has suspended all elections in Ukraine and shut down literally all opposite parties and "hostile media".
#Another100BillionShouldDoIt
Oh wait, that can't happen anymore because Crown Prince of Democracy Zelenskiy has suspended all elections in Ukraine and shut down literally all opposite parties and "hostile media".
#Another100BillionShouldDoIt
dw !p9hU6ckyqw joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 44 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,865
Erik !saAqdaazn2 joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,866
@1,247,859 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
There is never an election during war time. Even you k ow this. Come on.
There is never an election during war time. Even you k ow this. Come on.
boof joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,867
Jeepers, it would be nice if everyone's countries did more about the corruption
some corruption is actually legal and no sir, I don't like it
some corruption is actually legal and no sir, I don't like it
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 17 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,868
how can you look at that guy?
one fast look at his Jew face makes me cringe
war is Jewish
politicians are Jewish
politicians decide to do war
they have brainwashed goyim fighting for their profit
one fast look at his Jew face makes me cringe
war is Jewish
politicians are Jewish
politicians decide to do war
they have brainwashed goyim fighting for their profit
Anonymous G double-posted this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,869
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xz8a6e4sDgA&pp=ygUfYnJhaW53YXNoIHRoZSBncmVhdCBjb21tYW5kbWVudA%3D%3D
От года к году, люди наступают
Друг другу на горло, ломая судьбы где нету веры
И не будет, где люди забыли что они люди
Лабиринт судеб в постоянном замуте прилюдия
Свободы абсурд по сути, быть свободным
Значит верить а не отрицать, вера в Бога
Помогает жить и выживать, и вот опять ты со мной
Моя вера ты не оставила меня и не забвела,
Я был у предела на краю, когда услышал
Притчу твою, ты протянула руку помощи
И я схватился за неё будто тонущий,
В стонущем океане лжи и страданий
Я видел как снимали кресты
От года к году, люди наступают
Друг другу на горло, ломая судьбы где нету веры
И не будет, где люди забыли что они люди
Лабиринт судеб в постоянном замуте прилюдия
Свободы абсурд по сути, быть свободным
Значит верить а не отрицать, вера в Бога
Помогает жить и выживать, и вот опять ты со мной
Моя вера ты не оставила меня и не забвела,
Я был у предела на краю, когда услышал
Притчу твою, ты протянула руку помощи
И я схватился за неё будто тонущий,
В стонущем океане лжи и страданий
Я видел как снимали кресты
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,870
@1,247,866 (Erik !saAqdaazn2)
> There is never an election during war time. Even you k ow this. Come on.
Are you seriously suggesting democratic countries do have hold elections when they're at war? I know you get your geopolitical information from The Sun but is this honestly what you're saying?
> There is never an election during war time. Even you k ow this. Come on.
Are you seriously suggesting democratic countries do have hold elections when they're at war? I know you get your geopolitical information from The Sun but is this honestly what you're saying?
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,871
@OP
Are you pro Russia now TTEH?
Are you pro Russia now TTEH?
tteh !MemesToDNA (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,872
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,873
> does something about corruption in his country
> He must be corrupt since there was corruption during his tenure
> He must be corrupt since there was corruption during his tenure
Anonymous I double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,874
@op
> The idea of a bunch of cripples being in charge of recruitment during a war I find amusing
It makes sense for vets to be in charge of recruiting IMO, sorry not every veteran isn't physically fully intact after fighting for their country.
> The idea of a bunch of cripples being in charge of recruitment during a war I find amusing
It makes sense for vets to be in charge of recruiting IMO, sorry not every veteran isn't physically fully intact after fighting for their country.
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tteh !MemesToDNA (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,875
@previous (I)
I just can't imagine it'll entice people to join when they enter a recruitment office only to be greeted by a torso.
I just can't imagine it'll entice people to join when they enter a recruitment office only to be greeted by a torso.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,876
@1,247,873 (I)
> >does something about corruption in his country
>
> >He must be corrupt since there was corruption during his tenure
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy
> >does something about corruption in his country
>
> >He must be corrupt since there was corruption during his tenure
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy
Anonymous I replied with this 2 years ago, 17 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,878
tteh !MemesToDNA (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,879
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,880
@1,247,865 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
> if you cared about corruption you wouldnt live in russia lol
Lol and not a peep from him
> if you cared about corruption you wouldnt live in russia lol
Lol and not a peep from him
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,881
@previous (J)
I don't care about corruption itself. I care when a corrupt and dictatorial little maggot is held up by Western governments and their stenographers in the media as the crown prince of anti-corruption and democracy, all so that a retarded Western public will continue to go along with the biggest money laundering operation in history.
A few more Ukrainian children were killed today near Kupyansk by the way.
#SlavaUkraini
#Another100BillionShouldDoIt
I don't care about corruption itself. I care when a corrupt and dictatorial little maggot is held up by Western governments and their stenographers in the media as the crown prince of anti-corruption and democracy, all so that a retarded Western public will continue to go along with the biggest money laundering operation in history.
A few more Ukrainian children were killed today near Kupyansk by the way.
#SlavaUkraini
#Another100BillionShouldDoIt
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 22 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,883
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> A few more Ukrainian children were killed today near Kupyansk by the way.
From natural causes? All these Ukranians keep dying and yet the specific things that kill them go unmentioned. It must be the billions in aid the US sent. Are they getting crushed to death by pallets of money or Bradleys falling off trains?
> A few more Ukrainian children were killed today near Kupyansk by the way.
From natural causes? All these Ukranians keep dying and yet the specific things that kill them go unmentioned. It must be the billions in aid the US sent. Are they getting crushed to death by pallets of money or Bradleys falling off trains?
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,885
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
No, they were killed by Russian bombs. Such a pity for their grieving parents the US and the UK sabotaged the peace agreement last April because they said they'd break the Russian economy by June. A pity also the West are a bunch of pussies who are scared shitless of getting directly involved and actually helping Ukraine win instead of this current strategy of "don't lose for as long as possible".
#MoreMoneyIsTheAnswer
#F16sWillBeThe900thGameChanger
No, they were killed by Russian bombs. Such a pity for their grieving parents the US and the UK sabotaged the peace agreement last April because they said they'd break the Russian economy by June. A pity also the West are a bunch of pussies who are scared shitless of getting directly involved and actually helping Ukraine win instead of this current strategy of "don't lose for as long as possible".
#MoreMoneyIsTheAnswer
#F16sWillBeThe900thGameChanger
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U double-posted this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,889
By the way, remember before this "biggest and most expensive counter-offensive in history" started 2 months ago, Mark Milley said NATO and the Ukrainians had war gamed it to hell and back and the Ukrainians "have everything they need to liberate their territory"? Man, how utterly shit and criminally incompetent are NATO that they actually believed this farcical counter-offensive would be a success?
"This counter-offensive will be very bloody and will take 6,8 or 10 weeks" - Mark Milley. Tomorrow will be 10 weeks since it began. Awesome job, America! Another 50,000 dead "NATO-trained" Ukrainians in just over 2 months.
"This counter-offensive will be very bloody and will take 6,8 or 10 weeks" - Mark Milley. Tomorrow will be 10 weeks since it began. Awesome job, America! Another 50,000 dead "NATO-trained" Ukrainians in just over 2 months.
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,891
@1,247,885 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Ukraine and Russia are countries run by adults with agency. If Zelenskyy wanted to end the war, he could have at any point between then and now. If Putin wanted to end the war, having already achieved the goals he says he set out to, he is free to arrange for a ceasefire and discuss peace terms at any point. The fact that neither side seems to have particular interest in doing that is not the fault of the West.
Ukraine and Russia are countries run by adults with agency. If Zelenskyy wanted to end the war, he could have at any point between then and now. If Putin wanted to end the war, having already achieved the goals he says he set out to, he is free to arrange for a ceasefire and discuss peace terms at any point. The fact that neither side seems to have particular interest in doing that is not the fault of the West.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,892
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> If Zelenskyy wanted to end the war, he could have at any point between then and now.
I sincerely wish I could be this naive and uninformed about this issue. It would make it far less frustrating to hear allegedly intelligent people engage in delusional fantasies for the last 18 months while hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians die for nothing. LITERALLY for nothing.
> If Zelenskyy wanted to end the war, he could have at any point between then and now.
I sincerely wish I could be this naive and uninformed about this issue. It would make it far less frustrating to hear allegedly intelligent people engage in delusional fantasies for the last 18 months while hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians die for nothing. LITERALLY for nothing.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U double-posted this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,893
@1,247,891 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> he is free to arrange for a ceasefire
And this gem deserved its own post.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/03/blinken-says-no-ukraine-cease-fire-without-a-peace-deal-that-includes-russias-withdrawal.html
That's the US Secretary of State saying a ceasefire will be "unacceptable to us" (meaning Washington) unless a LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE set of circumstances are met.
In other words: endless war, which is the entire goal.
But yeah, Zelenskiy has "agency" here.
> he is free to arrange for a ceasefire
And this gem deserved its own post.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/03/blinken-says-no-ukraine-cease-fire-without-a-peace-deal-that-includes-russias-withdrawal.html
That's the US Secretary of State saying a ceasefire will be "unacceptable to us" (meaning Washington) unless a LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE set of circumstances are met.
In other words: endless war, which is the entire goal.
But yeah, Zelenskiy has "agency" here.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,895
@1,247,881 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
if this is how you respond if he gets rid of corrupt officers imagine what you'd say if he got accused of corruption himself!
if this is how you respond if he gets rid of corrupt officers imagine what you'd say if he got accused of corruption himself!
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,896
@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
> if this is how you respond if he gets rid of corrupt officers imagine what you'd say if he got accused of corruption himself!
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy
> if this is how you respond if he gets rid of corrupt officers imagine what you'd say if he got accused of corruption himself!
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,898
@1,247,892 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Yeah that is horrific and you should probably take that up with the person who orders the bombings that kill Ukrainians every day.
@1,247,893 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
He clearly does. If he started negotiations that resulted in draft peace terms that violated those pledges Blinken made, - say ceding Russian-occupied territory in exchange for EU membership or whatever, what would the U.S. do in response? Cut off military and humanitarian aid to him? Hard to do that without political backlash in the U.S. and giving Russia an even larger territorial victory than they already have - inevitably ending the eternal war we clearly want on terms not favorable to us. Coup him? Now you have a demoralized Ukrainian military and political turmoil in Ukraine - again, something that probably brings the war to an end sooner rather than later, and not in a way that is to Uncle Sam's advantage.
Yeah that is horrific and you should probably take that up with the person who orders the bombings that kill Ukrainians every day.
@1,247,893 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
He clearly does. If he started negotiations that resulted in draft peace terms that violated those pledges Blinken made, - say ceding Russian-occupied territory in exchange for EU membership or whatever, what would the U.S. do in response? Cut off military and humanitarian aid to him? Hard to do that without political backlash in the U.S. and giving Russia an even larger territorial victory than they already have - inevitably ending the eternal war we clearly want on terms not favorable to us. Coup him? Now you have a demoralized Ukrainian military and political turmoil in Ukraine - again, something that probably brings the war to an end sooner rather than later, and not in a way that is to Uncle Sam's advantage.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,902
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Yeah that is horrific
Agreed. Dumb as fuck for you guys to sabotage the peace agreement last April.
> He clearly does.
He doesn't, and it is legitimately staggering that you think Zelenskiy, the 40-year old employee and creation of Ihor Kolomoiyskiy (Zelenskiy's boss when he was pretending to be an anti-corruption president on a TV show; and oh by the way, Kolomoiyskiy was also founder and sponsor of the Azov Battalion), is in charge of any of this. But I guess having him grow a little beard and dressing him up like an Action Man figure had the desired effect on a Western audience that has been conditioned to think at the level of a Disney or Marvel cartoon.
On a different subject, congrats to you guys on yet another successful regime change in Pakistan:
https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/
I can't wait to see what America's old pal, squeaky clean Mian Sharif, does with his newfound "agency".
> Yeah that is horrific
Agreed. Dumb as fuck for you guys to sabotage the peace agreement last April.
> He clearly does.
He doesn't, and it is legitimately staggering that you think Zelenskiy, the 40-year old employee and creation of Ihor Kolomoiyskiy (Zelenskiy's boss when he was pretending to be an anti-corruption president on a TV show; and oh by the way, Kolomoiyskiy was also founder and sponsor of the Azov Battalion), is in charge of any of this. But I guess having him grow a little beard and dressing him up like an Action Man figure had the desired effect on a Western audience that has been conditioned to think at the level of a Disney or Marvel cartoon.
On a different subject, congrats to you guys on yet another successful regime change in Pakistan:
https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/
I can't wait to see what America's old pal, squeaky clean Mian Sharif, does with his newfound "agency".
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,903
dw !p9hU6ckyqw double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,904
tteh !MemesToDNA (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,905
@1,247,902 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Is it actually the case that a peace deal was 'sabotaged'? Tentative drafts were exchanged but were talks ever close to agreement, according to either side?
Is it actually the case that a peace deal was 'sabotaged'? Tentative drafts were exchanged but were talks ever close to agreement, according to either side?
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 9 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,906
@1,247,903 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
> wow he dodged taxes like every politician ever
So you didn't understand a word you read. Quelle surprise.
> wow he dodged taxes like every politician ever
So you didn't understand a word you read. Quelle surprise.
tteh !MemesToDNA (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,908
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Are you calling the mental capacity of Dreamworks - perhaps Minichan.net's finest Dutch mind - into question?
Are you calling the mental capacity of Dreamworks - perhaps Minichan.net's finest Dutch mind - into question?
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,911
@1,247,904 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
> conspiratorial ramblings
Are you saying Ihor Kolomoiyskiy was not Zelenskiy's boss when he worked at 1+1 Media Group, starring in a TV show called Servant of the People in which he played a hero president who cracks down on corruption?
Are you also saying Ihor Kolomoiyskiy was not also the founder and sponsor of the Azov Battalion, great heros of the Western media and, oh by the way, "a neo-Nazi paramilitary militia" (wikipedia)?
If you're gonna say something is "conspiratorial ramblings" you might want to point out which part is factually incorrect. Because never forget this essential point:
"This Ukrainian counter-offensive will be a complete failure because Ukraine doesn't have anywhere near the amount of men and materiel they need to achieve their stated goals" - deluded fools brain-washed by Russian state-controlled propaganda, 2 months ago.
"Ukraine has everything they need to liberate all their territory, including Crimea, during this upcomingspring summer autumn offensive" - citizens of 'democratic' nations with access to "free and independent media", 2 months ago.
How many times do the citizens of "democracies" need to be wrong and the people of "brainwashed autocracies" need to be right before you begin to question whether you're as free and clear-thinking as you like to believe? Remember which "brainwashed and propagandised" nations it was who said Saddam didn't have WMDs and which "free" nations were adamant he did?
> conspiratorial ramblings
Are you saying Ihor Kolomoiyskiy was not Zelenskiy's boss when he worked at 1+1 Media Group, starring in a TV show called Servant of the People in which he played a hero president who cracks down on corruption?
Are you also saying Ihor Kolomoiyskiy was not also the founder and sponsor of the Azov Battalion, great heros of the Western media and, oh by the way, "a neo-Nazi paramilitary militia" (wikipedia)?
If you're gonna say something is "conspiratorial ramblings" you might want to point out which part is factually incorrect. Because never forget this essential point:
"This Ukrainian counter-offensive will be a complete failure because Ukraine doesn't have anywhere near the amount of men and materiel they need to achieve their stated goals" - deluded fools brain-washed by Russian state-controlled propaganda, 2 months ago.
"Ukraine has everything they need to liberate all their territory, including Crimea, during this upcoming
How many times do the citizens of "democracies" need to be wrong and the people of "brainwashed autocracies" need to be right before you begin to question whether you're as free and clear-thinking as you like to believe? Remember which "brainwashed and propagandised" nations it was who said Saddam didn't have WMDs and which "free" nations were adamant he did?
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U double-posted this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,912
@1,247,905 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Is it actually the case that a peace deal was 'sabotaged'? Tentative drafts were exchanged but were talks ever close to agreement, according to either side?
It was more than tentative drafts, Ukraine's chief negotiator had signed the agreement that would guarantee Ukrainian neutrality (to be clear what he signed was not the agreement itself, which will eventually take literally years to draft, but a declaration that Ukraine accepted the condition in principle). It also said the issue of Crimea would be put on hold for 15 years (i.e 1 year after Putin would be gone, assuming he served out the full terms he's currently allowed) and that those parts of Minsk II that vouchsafed the autonomy of Donbas would be implemented. Was there still a way to go? Yeah, for sure, a long way. But it's all moot now because that fat cunt Boris Johnson swung into town with his stupid folder tucked under his arm and within a weekend the entire thing was dead in the water, citing "war crimes in Bucha!"
> Is it actually the case that a peace deal was 'sabotaged'? Tentative drafts were exchanged but were talks ever close to agreement, according to either side?
It was more than tentative drafts, Ukraine's chief negotiator had signed the agreement that would guarantee Ukrainian neutrality (to be clear what he signed was not the agreement itself, which will eventually take literally years to draft, but a declaration that Ukraine accepted the condition in principle). It also said the issue of Crimea would be put on hold for 15 years (i.e 1 year after Putin would be gone, assuming he served out the full terms he's currently allowed) and that those parts of Minsk II that vouchsafed the autonomy of Donbas would be implemented. Was there still a way to go? Yeah, for sure, a long way. But it's all moot now because that fat cunt Boris Johnson swung into town with his stupid folder tucked under his arm and within a weekend the entire thing was dead in the water, citing "war crimes in Bucha!"
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tteh !MemesToDNA (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,918
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
I see, thanks. Is this chief negotiator in position today? I hear chief/lead negotiator often (in the news) sans any mention of name. It's irrelevant I suppose — I just wonder.
I see, thanks. Is this chief negotiator in position today? I hear chief/lead negotiator often (in the news) sans any mention of name. It's irrelevant I suppose — I just wonder.
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tteh !MemesToDNA (OP) double-posted this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,920
Also, the figures are pretty disparate. $6,000 or $10,000 or $5,000 or $20,000? It varies wildly, it'd seem.
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,921
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 17 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,922
@1,247,918 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> I see, thanks. Is this chief negotiator in position today?
No, the "chief negotiator" now is a guy called David Arakhamia, and his job, as with Zelensky, Podolyak, Yermak, Reznikov and the rest of the tribe, is to read the scripts Jake Sullivan, John Kirby and Victoria Nuland give them to read. There's not a week goes by he doesn't repeat the mantra of "we will not enter into negotiations until President Zelenskiy's 10-Point Peace Formula has been implemented" (anyone who actually reads that comic book of a 'peace fomula' will see it's actually a demand for Russia's unconditional surrender). Anyone who was working towards a peace deal back in April of last year has been removed. 'ol Zelenskiy "rooting out corruption" doncha know?
> I see, thanks. Is this chief negotiator in position today?
No, the "chief negotiator" now is a guy called David Arakhamia, and his job, as with Zelensky, Podolyak, Yermak, Reznikov and the rest of the tribe, is to read the scripts Jake Sullivan, John Kirby and Victoria Nuland give them to read. There's not a week goes by he doesn't repeat the mantra of "we will not enter into negotiations until President Zelenskiy's 10-Point Peace Formula has been implemented" (anyone who actually reads that comic book of a 'peace fomula' will see it's actually a demand for Russia's unconditional surrender). Anyone who was working towards a peace deal back in April of last year has been removed. 'ol Zelenskiy "rooting out corruption" doncha know?
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 4 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,923
tteh !MemesToDNA (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,925
dw !p9hU6ckyqw replied with this 2 years ago, 44 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,927
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,929
So, Trump WAS RIGHT?!
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 38 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,930
@1,247,920 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> Also, the figures are pretty disparate. $6,000 or $10,000 or $5,000 or $20,000? It varies wildly, it'd seem.
I know a bunch of guys here in St Petersburg who fled Kiev (note: not Donbas but Kiev) during the last few waves of mobilisation and the figure I was most often given amounted to 7000 dollars. There's a family who now works at my wife's company who fled Mariupol last spring when shit was going down and they had to pay most of their savings to get their men out with them (not to mention leaving behind their apartments).
> Also, the figures are pretty disparate. $6,000 or $10,000 or $5,000 or $20,000? It varies wildly, it'd seem.
I know a bunch of guys here in St Petersburg who fled Kiev (note: not Donbas but Kiev) during the last few waves of mobilisation and the figure I was most often given amounted to 7000 dollars. There's a family who now works at my wife's company who fled Mariupol last spring when shit was going down and they had to pay most of their savings to get their men out with them (not to mention leaving behind their apartments).
tteh !MemesToDNA (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,932
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
How comfortable, if you're able to say, do they feel with their current predicament?
How comfortable, if you're able to say, do they feel with their current predicament?
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,934
@1,247,921 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
> enjoy your selective outrage
Guy who turns a blind eye to the West's endless war-mongering and overthrowing of democratically elected regimes says what now?
Remind me please because I always get this part confused: the overthrow of Niger's democratically-elected president is an "illegal coup", right? While the overthrow of the democratically-elected Imran Khan is "the will of the people", yes? I've got it all straight, I'm not misunderstanding Jake Sullivan here?
> enjoy your selective outrage
Guy who turns a blind eye to the West's endless war-mongering and overthrowing of democratically elected regimes says what now?
Remind me please because I always get this part confused: the overthrow of Niger's democratically-elected president is an "illegal coup", right? While the overthrow of the democratically-elected Imran Khan is "the will of the people", yes? I've got it all straight, I'm not misunderstanding Jake Sullivan here?
Anonymous M replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,935
Fascinating!
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,936
@1,247,932 (tteh !MemesToDNA)
> How comfortable, if you're able to say, do they feel with their current predicament?
They're rebuilding their lives here with a lot of help from the Russian government (free apartments and so on) but of course it's still awful for them. Their entire lives have been mostly destroyed. Speaking about the people at my wife's company, Mariupol has been mostly rebuilt from what I understand so when the war is over they may return. The biggest stress for them now is that for every family that was able to get their men out they know of dozens others who can't, either because they couldn't afford it or because they've already had their papers taken away to stop them leaving.
> How comfortable, if you're able to say, do they feel with their current predicament?
They're rebuilding their lives here with a lot of help from the Russian government (free apartments and so on) but of course it's still awful for them. Their entire lives have been mostly destroyed. Speaking about the people at my wife's company, Mariupol has been mostly rebuilt from what I understand so when the war is over they may return. The biggest stress for them now is that for every family that was able to get their men out they know of dozens others who can't, either because they couldn't afford it or because they've already had their papers taken away to stop them leaving.
Anonymous M replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,247,937
Shouldn't Biden be shamed for his
epic responsibilities in this!
epic responsibilities in this!
Anonymous J replied with this 2 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,260
@1,247,934 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
How is a no confidence vote by a parliament directly elected remotely similar to a coup?
Just because the US supported an electoral body ousting Khan doesn’t equate to what happened in Niger
That’s like saying Russia created a coup in the USA because they supported Trump over Clinton in 2016
How is a no confidence vote by a parliament directly elected remotely similar to a coup?
Just because the US supported an electoral body ousting Khan doesn’t equate to what happened in Niger
That’s like saying Russia created a coup in the USA because they supported Trump over Clinton in 2016
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 36 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,262
@previous (J)
> How is a no confidence vote by a parliament directly elected
Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there chief...
https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/
> How is a no confidence vote by a parliament directly elected
Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there chief...
https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/
Anonymous J replied with this 2 years ago, 6 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,314
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
So US ambassadors aren’t allowed to communicate with other nations diplomatic staff and communicate the US’s interests? Interesting philosophy you have toward diplomacy, I guess that’s why you favor war over talking.
So US ambassadors aren’t allowed to communicate with other nations diplomatic staff and communicate the US’s interests? Interesting philosophy you have toward diplomacy, I guess that’s why you favor war over talking.
Anonymous J double-posted this 2 years ago, 46 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,315
That random Pakistani ambassador did not remove Khan, Pakistan’s elected parliament did.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 38 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,320
@1,247,923 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
Typical monthly salary is $400.
Assuming $300 monthly expenses, that means someone can save $100 per month.
The figures given are next to impossible for most Ukrainians to pay. They must be from rich families.
How much would you pay to get out of a war, if you're saving a little over $1K per year assuming you live like a monk and just pay for the basics of survival?
$10K is about a decade of savings for a regular guy, and most people don't stash money away so reliably.
Typical monthly salary is $400.
Assuming $300 monthly expenses, that means someone can save $100 per month.
The figures given are next to impossible for most Ukrainians to pay. They must be from rich families.
How much would you pay to get out of a war, if you're saving a little over $1K per year assuming you live like a monk and just pay for the basics of survival?
$10K is about a decade of savings for a regular guy, and most people don't stash money away so reliably.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,321
@1,248,314 (J)
> So US ambassadors aren’t allowed to threaten to destroy Pakistan's economy and immiserate its people if their government doesn't install a servile American puppet as prime minister?
I mean, it's frowned upon.
> So US ambassadors aren’t allowed to threaten to destroy Pakistan's economy and immiserate its people if their government doesn't install a servile American puppet as prime minister?
I mean, it's frowned upon.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U double-posted this 2 years ago, 3 days later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,988
Anonymous J replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,989
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/did-the-u-s-really-oust-pakistans-imran-khan-prime-minister-asia-politics-coup-military-b04f617b
https://www.wsj.com/articles/did-the-u-s-really-oust-pakistans-imran-khan-prime-minister-asia-politics-coup-military-b04f617b
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 18 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,994
@previous (J)
Ahhh, Biden Admin stenographer Sadanand Dhume! What a staggeringly unexpected take from the Sycophant-in-Chief himself. Has he written yet today about how India is the world's greatest democracy and Pakistan is pure evil? Those articles are always a hoot.
Ahhh, Biden Admin stenographer Sadanand Dhume! What a staggeringly unexpected take from the Sycophant-in-Chief himself. Has he written yet today about how India is the world's greatest democracy and Pakistan is pure evil? Those articles are always a hoot.
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