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Topic: FAO Matt RE Cooking advice

dw !p9hU6ckyqw started this discussion 2 years ago #111,346

I got an air fryer do you have any recipes??

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) double-posted this 2 years ago, 12 seconds later[^] [v] #1,237,324

I would like to make air fryer gumbo

squeegee joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,327

ez, you need seafood shrimps, gumbo sausage and sauce. vegetables, that seasoning in the deal with the lid. flipper thing. corn on the cob.
French bread. fry it on high. I'd use a foil liner too. or pot. and weed is good with cooking too. so get high and you're in good shape regardless.

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,328

@previous (squeegee)
No one asked you.

squeegee replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,330

@previous (C)
good god, tteh, take a day off for christ sake

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 39 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,343

@previous (squeegee)
How could I? I live in your head rent free. I am every Anon. I am every namefag. I'm your deliveryman and next door neighbor. I'm the newscaster on KHOU and also WFAA8.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,358

You cannot make air fryer gumbo. Get some beef or liver and cut it into strips. Marinate with soy sauce, Worcestershire sauce, onion powder, garlic powder, celery powder, and red chili flakes and cook until jerky-like

Anonymous D double-posted this 2 years ago, 25 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,359

@1,237,327 (squeegee)
We do not put corn in gumbo.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,382

@previous (D)
Some people do. You don't get to dictate what other people do.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,383

@previous (C)
Here where gumbo was invented and is an integral part of local culture, there is no corn. People would lock and deride such a thing.

Anonymous D double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,385

Also you cannot make a roux in an air fryer

squeegee replied with this 2 years ago, 43 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,396

@1,237,343 (C)
no, you're just more often than not a surly anonymous hyperbolic castigator. and you try to play it off by projecting your lack of a personality of your own onto onto other people you try to cast aspersions onto, i mean, you are aware that you're the most reactionary person - you know what, im not going to insult people by calling you that. people deserve better.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 15 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,400

@1,237,385 (D)

> Also you cannot make a roux in an air fryer

It's the ultimate cooking appliance. Mine has a mini stovetop and saucepan set attachment. Did your air fryer not come with one? That's why you don't cheap out

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 19 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,405

@1,237,383 (D)
It's literally one of the main ingredients in Louisiana and elsewhere.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 week later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,917

@1,237,383 (D)

> there is no corn

Don't be a picky eater.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,918

@1,237,405 (C)
Not in gumbo.

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,919

@1,237,324 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)

> I would like to make air fryer gumbo

How in the hell would you make roux in an air fryer?? This I got to hear.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,920

@previous (G)
This. You cannot make a roux in an air fryer.

Anonymous G replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,921

@previous (D)
I would enjoy watching someone try though lol

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,922

@previous (G)
lol and try putting corn in gumbo and asking a Louisiana person about it

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 33 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,931

@previous (D)
They'd laugh at anyone who claims corn never goes in gumbo.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,932

@previous (C)
Come on down to Louisiana and ask. I'll even take you to dinner.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,934

@previous (D)
I'll take you up on that offer. When are you available? I'm retired and have all the time in the world, so just set a date and I'll be there.

My real question is, will you apologize when I show up and prove you wrong?

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 40 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,938

@previous (C)
New Orleans, meet me in Jackson Square, right in front of St Louis Cathedral, Saturday, July 1, high noon. I will take you to eat at Muriel's, very good food, and then we will ask the head chef if people from Louisiana put corn in gumbo. Will you agree to abide by his answer?

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,944

@previous (D)
Best 2 out of 3 is what I'll agree to. We can go to Muriel's, yes, but I will also take you to an establishment of my choosing and ask the head chef the same query. I need to make sure you have not conspired with the chef ahead of time.

We will select the third and final establishment to query by attaching a map of the city to a dart board and throwing a dart at it from a distance no less than 12 feet. I'll even let you do the honors. We will go to the restaurant closest to where the dart hits.

We will abide by the majority response and agree that the issue is settled and final. Do you agree to these terms?

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,946

@previous (C)
If it is Louisiana restaurant and the chef is from South Louisiana and/or New Orleans, I will agree. If you take me to some idiot place with a Yankee chef, then no deal.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,948

@previous (D)
I have no guarantee that you will not collude with the chef and you have no guarantee that I won't either. That is why we will choose the third establishment via the neutral ground of a dart throw. If you are as confident as you claim, you should have no worry about achieving a 2/3 majority, regardless of which place I choose.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,950

@previous (C)
No. You might just as well choose a Chinese restaurant with recent immigrants who have no idea. I will agree if the restaurants that you and I both choose have chefs FROM New Orleans and/or Southwest Louisiana. I am okay with the dart throwing third choice.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,951

@previous (D)
Why? So what if I choose a Chinese restaurant (I won't, but that's not the point)? You don't feel confident you can win a 2/3 majority, with one of those being from a restaurant and chef of YOUR choosing? Sounds like you aren't so sure of your original assertion after all.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,952

@previous (C)
I will agree if the restaurant you choose has a chef from New Orleans/Southwest Louisiana, where gumbo is actually from.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,953

@previous (D)
You are attempting to fix both restaurants so that you can secure an easy 2 out of 3 majority.

If you don't feel confident basing the result on a random dart throw, then you simply aren't confident in your claim at all. Cutting through all the bullshit, this all comes down to you tacitly admitting that a significant number of chefs working IN New Orleans would disagree with you. And, frankly, I'll take their word above yours since, unlike you, they're the ones actually doing this for a living.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,955

@previous (C)
Nope. Tell you what. We can figure a way to pick three RANDOM restaurants, however you want. Darts, dice, coins, etc. So long as the chef is from New Orleans or Southwest Louisiana, I will agree.

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Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,957

@previous (D)
I agree to three, or any number of RANDOM restaurants. As I said, I'm retired. I have all the time in the world to go to as many as it'll take to satisfy you, provided ONLY that we agree on the number ahead of time; no increasing the number once you see the answers are not going as you expect.

> So long as the chef is from New Orleans or Southwest Louisiana, I will agree.
Again, no, this is your window to fix the outcome.

Random ought to be good enough with no pre-selection other than the restaurants be in New Orleans proper. Any concern you have about chefs not from New Orleans or Southwest Louisiana (whatever that means) will wash out in the noise. Basic statistics.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,958

@previous (C)
I cannot "fix" an outcome if the restaurants are chosen at random. The claim is that Louisiana gumbo uses corn. Any chef from Louisiana will deny this. You can choose the restaurants at random. I agree. I just do not want you to choose restaurants from, example, Pakistani immigrants who just arrived yesterday. That proves nothing, as they do not know the culture. Random is fine, as long as the chef is local. Otherwise, it proves nothing either way.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,963

@previous (D)

> I cannot "fix" an outcome if the restaurants are chosen at random.
By going with your arbitrary criteron of restaurants, you can effectively create the list we choose from. If you make the list, you can easily fix the outcome.

> Any chef from Louisiana will deny this.
Oh, so now it's ANY chef from Louisiana, but when we get talking about specifics it's only chefs form New Orleans or "Southwest Louisiana".

On the one hand you make a strong claim, and on the other hand you walk back on it by coming up with incredibly contrived standards on how to verify it.

> I just do not want you to choose restaurants from, example, Pakistani immigrants who just arrived yesterday. That proves nothing, as they do not know the culture.
That would be entirely harmless and only inject a small amount of noise into the results. But with enough samples, it would all average out. Again, statistics 101. The only reason you'd be scared of something like that is if you aren't confident and feel like you need to hand select the list we choose from out of fear of being proven wrong.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,964

@previous (C)
You are a sophist. It is a simple idea. People from Louisiana know that corn does not belong in gumbo. I use New Orleans and Southwest Louisiana becaue that is French Cajun culture. North Louisiana are hicks that might as well be in Mississippi. I contend that any random chef from New Orleans or French Louisiana will agree with me. So, YOU decide how to choose restaurants. It is ridiculous to choose a restaurant run by a Cambodian immigrant who might know nothing of the culture. Let's randomly choose 100 restaurants then. I cannot "hand choose" random restaurants. You are only proving that you are full of shit. Show up when and where I said, and let's dine out. All tabs on my dollar.

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Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,967

@previous (D)
I agree to 100 random restaurants, but again, only if the sole criteria is that they are located in New Orleans. Nothing more. I am not interested in getting into a long drawn out discussion about what constitutes someone from Southwest Louisiana or who is part of "French Cajun culture" (again, whatever that even means). That's like an attorney screening out jurors that they think aren't already on their side. If your argument is so fickle that it can't show itself through a small amount of noise of one or two Chinese restaurants coming up, it's not a very good argument is it?

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,969

@previous (C)
But that proves nothing. "Located in New Orleans" means nothing. My contention is not that anyone in the world thinks that corn does not go in gumbo, but that people from this part off Louisiana think so. Polling people not from here is not valid. Someone who just happens to geographically be here means nothing. It has to be from people who actually know this area's cuisine. Surely you can see that?

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,970

@previous (D)
Surely you can see how it will average out? Why is that so hard to understand?

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,971

@previous (C)
Because we have tons of ethnic restaurants here. See? There is a chance that a random sample will include lots of ethnic restaurant. As long as the restaurants are local, I accept your terms. Not agreeing to this is disingenuous on your part.

Anonymous D double-posted this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,972

Going to bed. Talk to you tomorrow. Be in NOLA when and where I said, and Iwill treat you to a nice dinner.

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,974

@1,239,971 (D)
Do you understand what the phrase "average out" means? The majority of restaurants could be foreign, but with enough samples, all the noise would average out and the truth would still come out even if the majority of restaurants are staffed by non-locals.

Ever heard of the cosmic microwave background? The fluctuations on those whole-sky-charts you may've seen before are actually in micro kelvins. That's a MILLION times smaller than the temperature fluctuations in your room. If there's a signal and enough samples, it can always be pulled from the noise. The only thing you need to worry about is if the true signal is actually what you claim. And I'm seeing you demonstrate to me that you are definitely worried about that.

squeegee joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 59 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,975

@previous (C)
it's called bias and variance in statistical polling, which is different from sampling for measurements using calibrated instruments using a method to limit the subjective results you'd get by, say, narrowing the scope of what's being selected from to sources that reflect a biased measure. Sampling error occurs due to unrepresentativeness of the sample selected for observation.

and there's non-sampling error. this is human error. like, errors in problem identification, method of sampling, such as in defining the population (assuming with enough samples from unknowledgeable sources the truth can be shown, see religion you nutter) , procedure used, question bias, inappropriate analysis conclusions, and false information provided by liars lying about the bias built into their... data plots.

dumbass

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squeegee double-posted this 2 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,977

In a large saucepan, cook sliced sausage until browned on both sides. Stir in the tomatoes, broth and water; bring to a boil. Stir in rice and corn; cover and remove from the heat.

how about i create a data aggregator which selects from all the recipes in the world published for gumbo, and provide the results showing what percentage of them call for corn to be added? a quick sampling from search data shows 7,490,000 recipes with corn, and 10,200,000 total that are gumbo related. so based on that i'd say that there's a strong likelihood that corn is generally considered a standard ingredient in most gumbos, but a more thorough analysis can be made depending on how important it is to you that we get to the bottom of this food fight.

i can answer this question statistically and without bias, AND provide for a much, much, MUCH larger sample and, as you say, remove the noise.

with a full outline of the methodology, including the tools used (i.e. data collection scripts, and NLP parsing of the resulting data) and a nice little writeup severely recriminating the loser as a blithering idiot. and it will be thorough, conclusive, and scathing.

and for only 20 bucks. but i wouldn't bother, i doubt the results will come out better than the 27% of recipes that don't use corn as an ingredient.
u feel?

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,982

@1,239,919 (G)
i made a topic asking matt but he doesnt know how

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,004

@1,239,977 (squeegee)
Not valid. My claim is that people in this part of Louisiana, where gumbo was invented, do not put corn in it. There might be tons of recipes of something they call "gumbo" with corn, but it is not real, Louisiana gumbo.

Anonymous D double-posted this 2 years ago, 20 seconds later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,005

@1,239,982 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
I said one CANNOT make roux in an air fryer.

squeegee replied with this 2 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,018

@1,240,004 (D)
if your claim is that a local sampling variance exists... okay. that's fine. it's like saying people from large cities tend to be more liberal and more rural communities tend to be more conservative. that's actually perfectly valid. this is exactly like arguing that a statistically representative survey, not being sufficiently random, gives biased results. which is true. are y'all arguing different point? i won't lie, i didn't really read the whole thread.

it's fine. alright then, y'all have fun.

(Edited 18 seconds later.)

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,019

@previous (squeegee)
My point is simple. Gumbo comes from this part of Louisiana. It was created here. People here do not put corn in it. How is that so difficult to understand?

squeegee replied with this 2 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,023

@previous (D)
okay. i was just trying to make 20 bucks, tbh...

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,025

@previous (squeegee)
lol sorry then

Anonymous C replied with this 2 years ago, 1 day later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,263

@1,240,019 (D)
Yes they do.

Anonymous C double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,264

@1,239,975 (squeegee)
Variance is not a problem with sufficient sample size.

If you have a plausible theory about how bias is relevant here, I'd like to here it.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,279

@1,240,005 (D)
But what you meant is you don't know how

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,314

@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
No, I mean it cannot be done.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,381

@previous (D)
You think it cannot be done because you can't figure out how to use an air fryer

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,382

@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
A roux needs to be stirred.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,383

@previous (D)
So?

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) double-posted this 2 years ago, 27 seconds later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,384

Anyway I've just YouTubed a roux airfryer recipe because you are USELESS

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 32 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,396

@1,240,383 (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
Sure. Put it on heat for an hour and enjoy the burnt flour. It won't be real roux.

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 26 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,404

@1,237,383 (D)
No one gives a fuck. Half your cuisine is likely stolen from black people.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,405

@previous (I)
Louisiana cuisine, especially that of New Orleans, is indeed a fusion of African, Spanish and French cuisine.

Anonymous I replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,407

@previous (D)
It’s likely all came from slaves who when freed improved upon what they had and then you all stole it and claimed it as your own like all white men do.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,411

@previous (I)
Parts of it indeed came from Africans and then slaves, but it has been combined with French and Spanish techniques and cuisines.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,414

@1,240,396 (D)
Um yt it

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,417

@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
It's not real roux. Thanks.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,425

@previous (D)
Why not?

Anonymous I replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,429

@1,240,411 (D)
So, basically by combined, you mean stolen by Europeans and bastardized. Got it.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,430

@previous (I)
Maybe, but that's the history of it.

Anonymous I replied with this 2 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,435

@previous (D)
So, it’s pointless?

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 58 seconds later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,437

@previous (I)
To the contrary, it is complex, rich, and delicious. Thanks.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 14 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,501

@previous (D)
Its flour and oil

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 6 days later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,241,037

🤔

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 1 month later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,147

I haven't made gumbo yet because it doesn't seem very good and too much work even in an air fryer

Green !!bO/s3MBcD joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,160

Marmite and peanut butter.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 41 minutes later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,182

@previous (Green !!bO/s3MBcD)
Lad

Green !!bO/s3MBcD replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,193

@previous (dw !p9hU6ckyqw)
Wot

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,194

You cannot just fucking make any soup and call it fucking gumbo ffs

Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 46 seconds later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,195

@1,248,160 (Green !!bO/s3MBcD)

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,218

@1,248,194 (D)

> You cannot just fucking make any soup and call it fucking gumbo ffs

I can make anything I want and call it whatever the fuck I want. If I want to make an apple pie and call it gumbo, it's fucking gumbo.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,220

@previous (M)
No, it is not.

Anonymous M replied with this 2 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,221

@previous (D)
I'll call it what I want bitch. You don't own me.

Anonymous D replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,248,224

@previous (M)
You can call it whatever you want, but that does not make it that thing.

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) replied with this 2 years ago, 6 days later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,249,406

@1,248,194 (D)
Is this in response to green

dw !p9hU6ckyqw (OP) double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 months after the original post[^] [v] #1,249,407

@1,237,358 (D)
I just read this and it sounds absolutely disgusting
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