Topic: Russia moves to take direct control of Wagner Group
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago #111,335
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65871232
Russia appears to have moved to take direct control of Wagner, after months of infighting between defence officials and the private military group.
Deputy Defence Minister Nikolai Pankov said on Saturday "volunteer formations" will be asked to sign contracts directly with the ministry of defence.
The vaguely worded statement is widely believed to target the group.
But in a furious statement on Sunday, Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin said his forces would boycott the contracts.
The private military group has played a major role in the war in Ukraine, fighting on the side of Russian forces.
But Prigozhin, who is said to hold political ambitions of his own, has been embroiled in a public dispute with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and military chief Valery Gerasimov for months.
He has repeatedly accused the pair of incompetence and of deliberately undersupplying Wagner units fighting in Ukraine.
"Wagner will not sign any contracts with Shoigu," Prigozhin said in response to a request for comment on the defence ministry's announcement. "Shoigu cannot properly manage military formation."
Deputy Defence Minister Nikolai Pankov said on Saturday "volunteer formations" will be asked to sign contracts directly with the ministry of defence.
The vaguely worded statement is widely believed to target the group.
But in a furious statement on Sunday, Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin said his forces would boycott the contracts.
The private military group has played a major role in the war in Ukraine, fighting on the side of Russian forces.
But Prigozhin, who is said to hold political ambitions of his own, has been embroiled in a public dispute with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and military chief Valery Gerasimov for months.
He has repeatedly accused the pair of incompetence and of deliberately undersupplying Wagner units fighting in Ukraine.
"Wagner will not sign any contracts with Shoigu," Prigozhin said in response to a request for comment on the defence ministry's announcement. "Shoigu cannot properly manage military formation."
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 17 minutes later[^] [v] #1,237,167
The pay is slightly better in the regular army. You get a near-700 grand one off payment on top of the salary. This is an ad in my town.squeegee joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,170
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,185
@previous (D)
A lot by Russian standards. Twice what, say, a engineer or some similar professional would make in Moscow or St Petersburg, and many times more what they make elsewhere. A nice apartment or house over in Siberia costs about 3 million rubles, so if you survive a year and a half you can set yourself up nicely.
A lot by Russian standards. Twice what, say, a engineer or some similar professional would make in Moscow or St Petersburg, and many times more what they make elsewhere. A nice apartment or house over in Siberia costs about 3 million rubles, so if you survive a year and a half you can set yourself up nicely.
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 3 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,281
@previous (F)
It's actually ranked in the top ten most beautiful cities in the world, but you decide...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg
It's actually ranked in the top ten most beautiful cities in the world, but you decide...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg
Erik !AltRitexT6 joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,282
Do you think the Russian government would actually pay it and not make some excuse to not to, like "they went awol" when in truth they got killed... by their own side
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Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 37 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,283
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
I know several people fighting in Ukraine now and their wives have reported no issues with salaries being paid into their accounts. Dunno what'll happen in the event of death though.
I know several people fighting in Ukraine now and their wives have reported no issues with salaries being paid into their accounts. Dunno what'll happen in the event of death though.
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 2 years ago, 2 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,293
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 21 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,300
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
> Have they also recieved any stolen loot?
Kind of. Russia now controls more than 12.4 trillion dollars of Ukrainian assets...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-now-controls-least-12-164741759.html
...and no doubt some of this money is being used to compensate soldiers. It's a bitter irony that Ukraine is effectively paying the army that's killing them. Such senseless slaughter, I pray it ends soon.
> Have they also recieved any stolen loot?
Kind of. Russia now controls more than 12.4 trillion dollars of Ukrainian assets...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-now-controls-least-12-164741759.html
...and no doubt some of this money is being used to compensate soldiers. It's a bitter irony that Ukraine is effectively paying the army that's killing them. Such senseless slaughter, I pray it ends soon.
Erik !AltRitexT6 replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,301
@previous (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
I meant more along the line of stolen washing machine or refrigerators.
I meant more along the line of stolen washing machine or refrigerators.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 7 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,304
@previous (Erik !AltRitexT6)
Ha, no. These people are getting pretty wealthy, they have no need of a bullet-ridden microwave from Donetsk. The stories in The Sun and The Express do amuse me though.
Ha, no. These people are getting pretty wealthy, they have no need of a bullet-ridden microwave from Donetsk. The stories in The Sun and The Express do amuse me though.
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@1,237,300 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
Over 12 trillion dollars and they are offering $8K to enlist in a suicide mission?
With 12 trillion dollars you could breed supersoldiers and equip them with state of the art equipment.
Over 12 trillion dollars and they are offering $8K to enlist in a suicide mission?
With 12 trillion dollars you could breed supersoldiers and equip them with state of the art equipment.
Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U replied with this 2 years ago, 12 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,308
@previous (H)
Controlling 12 and a half trillion dollars of assets doesn't mean you now have 12 and a half trillion dollars of spending money. It means that the West will now need to pay for Ukraine's economic survival for a very long time. They're happy to do it though. The UK government this week set aside another 150 million pounds for Ukrainians to pay rent:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ukrainian-families-supported-into-own-homes-with-150m-funding
My parents' council tax bill has gone from 70 to 130 pounds a month, but they're happy to pay it, because the alterative is to object, which means you hate freedom and support the raping of Ukrainian babies.
Laughed my ass off when Biden complimented Rishi "We're All In This Together" Sunak on his multi-million dollar California penthouse when they met last Thursday...
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/biden-teases-sunak-over-prime-000636582.html
Ssshhh Joey, we're not supposed to mention that!
Controlling 12 and a half trillion dollars of assets doesn't mean you now have 12 and a half trillion dollars of spending money. It means that the West will now need to pay for Ukraine's economic survival for a very long time. They're happy to do it though. The UK government this week set aside another 150 million pounds for Ukrainians to pay rent:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ukrainian-families-supported-into-own-homes-with-150m-funding
My parents' council tax bill has gone from 70 to 130 pounds a month, but they're happy to pay it, because the alterative is to object, which means you hate freedom and support the raping of Ukrainian babies.
Laughed my ass off when Biden complimented Rishi "We're All In This Together" Sunak on his multi-million dollar California penthouse when they met last Thursday...
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/biden-teases-sunak-over-prime-000636582.html
Ssshhh Joey, we're not supposed to mention that!
Anonymous F replied with this 2 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,338
@1,237,281 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> It's actually ranked in the top ten most beautiful cities in the world, but you decide...
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg
So, a cheap knock off of Paris/Versailles. Thanks, but no thanks.
> It's actually ranked in the top ten most beautiful cities in the world, but you decide...
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg
So, a cheap knock off of Paris/Versailles. Thanks, but no thanks.
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Who would think that a group dedicated to appreciating the works of a German composer would get so complicated?
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,367
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
shit I thought Wagner was just one guy who got involved with Russia somehow but now your telling me its actually several guys who are into classical music? this ukraine stuff is to complicated..
shit I thought Wagner was just one guy who got involved with Russia somehow but now your telling me its actually several guys who are into classical music? this ukraine stuff is to complicated..
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Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 2 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,237,369
@1,237,367 (J)
Now that you mention it, I believe the founders of Wagner also appreciated the work of another German gentleman you might be familiar with.
Now that you mention it, I believe the founders of Wagner also appreciated the work of another German gentleman you might be familiar with.
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@1,237,308 (Father Merrin !u5oFWxmY7U)
> Controlling 12 and a half trillion dollars of assets doesn't mean you now have 12 and a half trillion dollars of spending money.
It literally does. You could use those assets as collateral for a loan now, or use their revenues to finance more military spending.
> Controlling 12 and a half trillion dollars of assets doesn't mean you now have 12 and a half trillion dollars of spending money.
It literally does. You could use those assets as collateral for a loan now, or use their revenues to finance more military spending.