Topic: MiniTwitter #39: OP is Gay Edition
Anonymous A started this discussion 2 years ago #111,271
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 2 years ago, 1 hour later[^] [v] #1,236,381
Status update, day 571: tteh's still too busy sucking cocks to fix images, SSL certificates, the original domain name, or perform proper off-site backups.
tteh !MemesToDNA joined in and replied with this 2 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,236,383
@previous (A)Images are back already. Our SSL certificate is valid until February 2024 (we just don't force https). The original domain name isn't under my control. Backups run daily at 03:00 UTC. Thanks.
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tteh !MemesToDNA replied with this 2 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,236,386
@previous (A)
Image transparency is still a bit fucked though. :)
(As fucked as it always was.)
Image transparency is still a bit fucked though. :)
(As fucked as it always was.)
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We are ALL gay on this blessed day.
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@previous (tteh !MemesToDNA)
It would've been nice, but I fear the sun would turn into a giant red asshole by the time you got around to it.
I may just scrape it myself at some point since you don't seem willing to even lift a finger to help me or the board out. Rude fuck.
It would've been nice, but I fear the sun would turn into a giant red asshole by the time you got around to it.
I may just scrape it myself at some point since you don't seem willing to even lift a finger to help me or the board out. Rude fuck.
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Niggers tongue my anusAnonymous E replied with this 2 years ago, 14 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #1,236,717
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Nig
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Taking a shit at home midday on a Wednesday.
Living the life
Living the life
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Do you know what I have a problem with, Minichan? Biased modern historians! I have read many books on Roman history, lately, and an issue that occasionally pops up is the issue of this cavalier modern historian who assures you that he is going to be very impartial and well-informed about the Emperor or subject his book is about, and he is... But then he absolutely shits over every adjacent historical figure. I cringed when I read a biography of Caracalla where the author framed all of his actions in the best possible light, only to utterly fall for the historical propaganda about every subsequent Emperor. Macrinus is effeminate, Alexander is a momma's boy, Maximianus Thrax was a moron... Et cetera. And in a recent biography about Aurelian, I chuckled out loud when the writing historian, essentially, said that Shapur I was a definitely bloodthirsty tyrant because a Greek historian said so.
Don't get me wrong, these are still extremely useful and well-informed books. They are invaluable for understanding history. But it disappoints me a little that I must read a text made by a modern historian and think, okay, I need to keep this guy's bias in mind.
Don't get me wrong, these are still extremely useful and well-informed books. They are invaluable for understanding history. But it disappoints me a little that I must read a text made by a modern historian and think, okay, I need to keep this guy's bias in mind.
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@previous (H)
Well, it's a complicated question, and I'm really not qualified to answer. The stuff that happened under the Severan dynasty didn't help, for sure, rasing the army's pay so dramatically had some big knock-on consequences later what with inflation and rebellious generals, but there were likely other and deeper issues at play. Suffice to say, some vert bad stuff happened in the third century, and, although there were some quite good points after that, they never quite had it quite as good as before.
Well, it's a complicated question, and I'm really not qualified to answer. The stuff that happened under the Severan dynasty didn't help, for sure, rasing the army's pay so dramatically had some big knock-on consequences later what with inflation and rebellious generals, but there were likely other and deeper issues at play. Suffice to say, some vert bad stuff happened in the third century, and, although there were some quite good points after that, they never quite had it quite as good as before.
Anonymous H replied with this 2 years ago, 42 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,875
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Hmm. I mean sounds plausible enough. I'd suspect there probably was a large confluence of issues like you say. Not out of any deep understanding of Roman history, just as a general hunch.
Have you read or listened to anything by Eric Cline? I watched this talk a little while back:
1177 B.C.: When Civilization Collapsed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LRHJlijVU
of which I believe he has a book of the same name.
I know the bronze age isn't really your thing, but I found his answer somewhat plausible sounding: it's complicated, and a lot of stuff came together (over centuries) at once to create a perfect storm.
Another thing I find kind of interesting, I don't remember where I read or heard this and it seems obvious once you hear it, but if we can't predict the future at a societal level, how can we really think we have a good ability to predict why the past unfolded as it did? It only seems like we have a better understanding of the past than the present because we have all the answers. We see how it all unfolded. Take a room full of historians and give them access to everything we know and have seen before 1000 BC or some other arbitrary year (raise them in an isolated environment with no access to anything after that time) then ask them to predict what will happen next. Obviously they'll fail horribly. So, yeah, I agree, maybe we should be a bit more cautious about thinking we know why certain events happened, boring as that may be.
Why is it that you find Roman history so interesting? Why not pre-Columbia America, the Mongols, Mesopotamia, ...? Idk if you've answered this before. If you did I didn't see it or you gave a non-answer and I can't remember it for that reason. I suspect it's the latter. No matter, here's your chance to answer again!
Hmm. I mean sounds plausible enough. I'd suspect there probably was a large confluence of issues like you say. Not out of any deep understanding of Roman history, just as a general hunch.
Have you read or listened to anything by Eric Cline? I watched this talk a little while back:
1177 B.C.: When Civilization Collapsed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LRHJlijVU
of which I believe he has a book of the same name.
I know the bronze age isn't really your thing, but I found his answer somewhat plausible sounding: it's complicated, and a lot of stuff came together (over centuries) at once to create a perfect storm.
Another thing I find kind of interesting, I don't remember where I read or heard this and it seems obvious once you hear it, but if we can't predict the future at a societal level, how can we really think we have a good ability to predict why the past unfolded as it did? It only seems like we have a better understanding of the past than the present because we have all the answers. We see how it all unfolded. Take a room full of historians and give them access to everything we know and have seen before 1000 BC or some other arbitrary year (raise them in an isolated environment with no access to anything after that time) then ask them to predict what will happen next. Obviously they'll fail horribly. So, yeah, I agree, maybe we should be a bit more cautious about thinking we know why certain events happened, boring as that may be.
Why is it that you find Roman history so interesting? Why not pre-Columbia America, the Mongols, Mesopotamia, ...? Idk if you've answered this before. If you did I didn't see it or you gave a non-answer and I can't remember it for that reason. I suspect it's the latter. No matter, here's your chance to answer again!
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2 years ago, 38 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,881
@previous (H)
I haven't seen anything by that guy, but yes, I'm aware of the Bronze Age Collapse. I've also heard of the theory you're referencing, where they think it was basically a lot of factors coinciding at once that caused it all to fall down.
But unlike the Bronze Age Collapse, I think it is possible to articulate a much more substantial argument for why the Roman Empire collapsed, as we have way more information compared to the Bronze Age thing. Even if it is multiple factors, historians can probably nail them all down. I just don't feel like I'm qualified enough enough to give a hard answer, and I know that this issue often gets muddied down with personal opinions anyway.
> Why is it that you find Roman history so interesting? Why not pre-Columbia America, the Mongols, Mesopotamia, ...? Idk if you've answered this before. If you did I didn't see it or you gave a non-answer and I can't remember it for that reason. I suspect it's the latter. No matter, here's your chance to answer again!
No, nobody here has asked me that. But I'll try to answer now!
Firstly, I think it's partly just cultural proximity. The Roman Empire was in my country for a long time, they shaped my continent, I can very easily go and look at their ruins if I want to... I'm just culturally and physically close, versus, like, Ancient Egypt which is a lot more distant. I am still interested in non-Roman ancient cultures, but I feel more connection to Roman stuff, in a vague sort of way.
But secondly, I think there's just such a vast expanse of knowledge avaliable with the Romans. The written sources and archaeological evidence that survives is truly astounding, and more is being found all the time. It's very easy to get deep into Roman history, but still having an element of mystery and speculation. The best way I can compare it is, like, reading up on lore of a favourite video game and finding cool secrets, except this is infinitely more vast. Just recently, I found out that the Emperor Nero had a rotating dining room... Which archaeologists have been able to examine. Just yesterday, I read that, essentially, the Roman production of coins was so prolific that it can be seen in ice core analysis. While I'm sure I could get some of that feeling with other cultures too, it's this wealth of survivng information the Romans have that makes them so engaging for me.
I haven't seen anything by that guy, but yes, I'm aware of the Bronze Age Collapse. I've also heard of the theory you're referencing, where they think it was basically a lot of factors coinciding at once that caused it all to fall down.
But unlike the Bronze Age Collapse, I think it is possible to articulate a much more substantial argument for why the Roman Empire collapsed, as we have way more information compared to the Bronze Age thing. Even if it is multiple factors, historians can probably nail them all down. I just don't feel like I'm qualified enough enough to give a hard answer, and I know that this issue often gets muddied down with personal opinions anyway.
> Why is it that you find Roman history so interesting? Why not pre-Columbia America, the Mongols, Mesopotamia, ...? Idk if you've answered this before. If you did I didn't see it or you gave a non-answer and I can't remember it for that reason. I suspect it's the latter. No matter, here's your chance to answer again!
No, nobody here has asked me that. But I'll try to answer now!
Firstly, I think it's partly just cultural proximity. The Roman Empire was in my country for a long time, they shaped my continent, I can very easily go and look at their ruins if I want to... I'm just culturally and physically close, versus, like, Ancient Egypt which is a lot more distant. I am still interested in non-Roman ancient cultures, but I feel more connection to Roman stuff, in a vague sort of way.
But secondly, I think there's just such a vast expanse of knowledge avaliable with the Romans. The written sources and archaeological evidence that survives is truly astounding, and more is being found all the time. It's very easy to get deep into Roman history, but still having an element of mystery and speculation. The best way I can compare it is, like, reading up on lore of a favourite video game and finding cool secrets, except this is infinitely more vast. Just recently, I found out that the Emperor Nero had a rotating dining room... Which archaeologists have been able to examine. Just yesterday, I read that, essentially, the Roman production of coins was so prolific that it can be seen in ice core analysis. While I'm sure I could get some of that feeling with other cultures too, it's this wealth of survivng information the Romans have that makes them so engaging for me.
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Anonymous H replied with this 2 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,239,896
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> But secondly, I think there's just such a vast expanse of knowledge avaliable with the Romans
I wish I were born during some speculative future date where we make first contact with an intelligent alien society. Imagine reading an alien Wikipedia. You could spend lifetimes immersing yourself in their culture, history, and technology. I wonder if we've found no other evidence of alien life because we're too early. The universe is just a spry 13 bill and the heat death of it is not likely for at least 10100 years. We're the ancients.
> I just don't feel like I'm qualified enough enough to give a hard answer, and I know that this issue often gets muddied down with personal opinions anyway.
Is this something you think you'll eventually achieve? Or is this more like something you think can only be obtained with a PhD's-worth or more of study?
@previous (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
> But secondly, I think there's just such a vast expanse of knowledge avaliable with the Romans
I wish I were born during some speculative future date where we make first contact with an intelligent alien society. Imagine reading an alien Wikipedia. You could spend lifetimes immersing yourself in their culture, history, and technology. I wonder if we've found no other evidence of alien life because we're too early. The universe is just a spry 13 bill and the heat death of it is not likely for at least 10100 years. We're the ancients.
> I just don't feel like I'm qualified enough enough to give a hard answer, and I know that this issue often gets muddied down with personal opinions anyway.
Is this something you think you'll eventually achieve? Or is this more like something you think can only be obtained with a PhD's-worth or more of study?
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I am a Nintendoes! Woooooo!
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Green !!bO/s3MBcD replied with this 2 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,622
An old man walked up to me and said "do you want to see a huge fool?" I nodded and followed him. Then he led me to a mirror.
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@1,239,881 (Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE)
Book recommendations for entry level Roman history?
Casual reading, like for reading while traveling, waiting for things and otherwise semi-distracted, not reading-in-my-study-in-the-evening-level. I don't care if the author offers their gratuitous opinion on events, as long as you think they aren't too off-base and are reasonably clear when they're doing so and not making it seem like their opinions are air-tight historical facts.
Book recommendations for entry level Roman history?
Casual reading, like for reading while traveling, waiting for things and otherwise semi-distracted, not reading-in-my-study-in-the-evening-level. I don't care if the author offers their gratuitous opinion on events, as long as you think they aren't too off-base and are reasonably clear when they're doing so and not making it seem like their opinions are air-tight historical facts.
Killer Lettuce🌹 !HonkUK.BIE replied with this 2 years ago, 2 days later, 3 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #1,240,891
@previous (H)Sorry for the late reply!
The only thing I've read that's reasonably entry-level is pic related. I read it when I was a kid, but as I recall that it's pretty good. The author is reasonably neutral, and he tells the story of the Roman Empire from the first Emperor and then sometime into the Eastern Roman Empire, after the Western Empire fell. He's basically just telling the narrative of the different Emperors and what happens to the Empire and doesn't go too in-depth on daily Roman life, but I think it's a fine starting point.
And also, you may not care about this, but even now I recall laughing at the occasional dry barbs he slipped in where he questions the reliability of the historical sources he's using. It gave the book a more fun feeling.
@1,239,896 (H)
> Or is this more like something you think can only be obtained with a PhD's-worth or more of study?
I'm sure that pretty much anyone could, in theory, read a load of books or academic papers specifically dealing with theories on why the Roman Empire fell and arrive at an informed opinion. It just isn't something I've specifically studied, though I've come across lots of possible factors incidentally while studying it.
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Thanks! I found a copy on libgen and am looking forward to reading it in a few weeks when I'm out and about.
Thanks! I found a copy on libgen and am looking forward to reading it in a few weeks when I'm out and about.
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