Topic: Only men pay tax, so why are women allowed to vote?
Anonymous A started this discussion 3 years ago #109,648
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #1,224,111
Taxes are largely based on income and so if women earn less income either due to interpersonal sexism (being paid less than a man for the same job) or sexist cultural norms (being pushed to work in lower wage fields that are "feminine", expected to give up their career to have and raise children, etc.) then this is exactly what you'd expect right? Assuming the data is true and not made up or exaggerated or whatever.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 9 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,224,113
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
A lot of data shows women make the same when they work the same job for the same hours, so that's not it.
Sexist cultural norms pushing women into lower-wage work isn't either: egalitarian Nordic countries have large gender gaps in those jobs, and countries like Iran lead in female engineers and doctors. Short Norwegian documentary that goes into more.
When women have freedom, choices, and government support they avoid hard jobs (that also pay more) opting to relax and have their partners and taxpayers pay for it instead.
Systemic racism leads to one race laboring for another, even if they ostensibly have the freedom to not do that. Systemic sexism has one sex laboring for another, even if they ostensibly could have an egalitarian relationship.
White supremacists says blacks are dumb, smelly, and violent. Feminists say men are in their position because they are dumb, smelly, and violent. Both claim people opt-in to an inferior position.
A lot of data shows women make the same when they work the same job for the same hours, so that's not it.
Sexist cultural norms pushing women into lower-wage work isn't either: egalitarian Nordic countries have large gender gaps in those jobs, and countries like Iran lead in female engineers and doctors. Short Norwegian documentary that goes into more.
When women have freedom, choices, and government support they avoid hard jobs (that also pay more) opting to relax and have their partners and taxpayers pay for it instead.
Systemic racism leads to one race laboring for another, even if they ostensibly have the freedom to not do that. Systemic sexism has one sex laboring for another, even if they ostensibly could have an egalitarian relationship.
White supremacists says blacks are dumb, smelly, and violent. Feminists say men are in their position because they are dumb, smelly, and violent. Both claim people opt-in to an inferior position.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 3 years ago, 18 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,224,118
@previous (A)
How can you say countries exist where women lead as engineers and doctors and also in the same breath say that women uniformly refuse to do hard high-paying work?
And let me put it a different way. A woman and a man are fraternal twins. They have the same childhood, same grades in high school and college, and get identical roles at the same company earning identical pay. They get married on the same day to equivalently successful people. On their 28th birthday, each one of them decides "I would like to have a child". What is the likely outcome of that decision for each person?
For the man, he will impregnate his wife and continue to earn his good salary and be on track for promotion, etc. For the woman, she will be impregnated, work while experiencing the difficulty of being pregnant, give birth, likely take months to a year+ off work to care for the child, and then going forward will be expected to be the primary caretaker of the child until the child is a teenager at least. There is both an earnings and career development penalty for her taking time off in her previous career, and her new job of being a full-time mother pays a salary of a whopping $0. Every year she earns $0 is a year that she is a net negative on taxes or whatever but clearly she is doing valuable work, it just isn't income-generating.
If you want to sterilize every woman you could probably eliminate 95% of this gap easily but personally I think that would be a bad idea.
How can you say countries exist where women lead as engineers and doctors and also in the same breath say that women uniformly refuse to do hard high-paying work?
And let me put it a different way. A woman and a man are fraternal twins. They have the same childhood, same grades in high school and college, and get identical roles at the same company earning identical pay. They get married on the same day to equivalently successful people. On their 28th birthday, each one of them decides "I would like to have a child". What is the likely outcome of that decision for each person?
For the man, he will impregnate his wife and continue to earn his good salary and be on track for promotion, etc. For the woman, she will be impregnated, work while experiencing the difficulty of being pregnant, give birth, likely take months to a year+ off work to care for the child, and then going forward will be expected to be the primary caretaker of the child until the child is a teenager at least. There is both an earnings and career development penalty for her taking time off in her previous career, and her new job of being a full-time mother pays a salary of a whopping $0. Every year she earns $0 is a year that she is a net negative on taxes or whatever but clearly she is doing valuable work, it just isn't income-generating.
If you want to sterilize every woman you could probably eliminate 95% of this gap easily but personally I think that would be a bad idea.
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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 22 minutes later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #1,224,121
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> How can you say countries exist where women lead as engineers and doctors and also in the same breath say that women uniformly refuse to do hard high-paying work?
Because that country it the one notorious for not giving women choices.
Put these women in a laissez faire country and they would never choose a career.
> How can you say countries exist where women lead as engineers and doctors and also in the same breath say that women uniformly refuse to do hard high-paying work?
Because that country it the one notorious for not giving women choices.
Put these women in a laissez faire country and they would never choose a career.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 3 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #1,224,122
@previous (C)
I mean just to pick the doctor thing, in the US as of 2019 36% of all doctors are women, and they make up a majority of medical school students, meaning that in probably 15ish years if current trends hold, women will be about half of doctors. That is a bit difficult to explain if western women are all lazy mooches.
I mean just to pick the doctor thing, in the US as of 2019 36% of all doctors are women, and they make up a majority of medical school students, meaning that in probably 15ish years if current trends hold, women will be about half of doctors. That is a bit difficult to explain if western women are all lazy mooches.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,224,124
Your misogyny is showing, OP.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 41 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,224,127
@1,224,122 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Men dont consider a job to be hard, or prestigious, or to have any worth once women start dominating that profession
Men dont consider a job to be hard, or prestigious, or to have any worth once women start dominating that profession
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,224,128
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 34 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,224,129
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 6 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #1,224,147
@1,224,127 (E)
source: you made it up.
Women suck their way to the top of all esteemed professions, but society still shows respect to doctors, engineers, lawyers, and all of other elite professions.
source: you made it up.
Women suck their way to the top of all esteemed professions, but society still shows respect to doctors, engineers, lawyers, and all of other elite professions.