Topic: My problem with Stephen King's IT, aside from the underaged gangbang in the sewer.
Anonymous A started this discussion 3 years ago#107,816
No 6-year-old on the planet is dumb enough to see a creepy-assed clown down a storm drain and, rather than immediately run the fuck away while screaming bloody murder, decide instead to spend 5 minutes casually shooting the breeze and quizzing it on whether balloons float down there in the sewer.
> the child gangbang thing is wild I can never get that through my head like whats the goal what is the reader supposed to feel even
I don't think we're meant to feel anything. King was simply off his tits on coke. Mountains and mountains of coke. In later years when asked about it he made it worse by saying it "symbolised their crossing over into adulthood", which, just, no Stephen, no, no, no. Sex is not some fucking rite of passage you big stoned weirdo.
> #1,210,979 > Yes, there was no reason to fear this clown who was offering to play with him.
There was no reason to fear this clown with yellow eyes, razor teeth and a gravelly voice who first introduced himself to the child by growling at him in a dark storm drain? Yeah ok, "it was the 50s"
> People weren't afraid of clowns in the 1950s because the It movie hadn't come out yet
Were people afraid of strange men with raspy voices and yellow animal eyes lurking in dark sewer drains during a storm, or was that also commonplace in the 50s?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 53 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,999
@1,210,995 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > Have enough read the book?
Once again, yes, I have read the book several times, that wonderful description of the rotting, dead smell Georgie can perceive emanating from the dark dripping storm drain where he's having a chat with the clown who knows all about him. It reminded me so much of my own typical summer afternoons growing up in 50s America when one could scarcely take a walk down Main Street without seeing clowns peering out of storm drains.
Rot and decay is a smell of death sweetie. You literally haven't read the book have you?
I'm done with you. I'm gonna go reminisce about a simpler time when children would spend their Sundays having a chat with a raspy-voiced clown lurking in a dark, dripping shit-smelling sewer. The 50s were awesome.
> Are you actually using another uid to dick ride yourself? Jeuss Christ, dude
No, and a mod can confirm. Believe it or not more than one person is laughing at your claim that raspy-voiced men in clown costumes peering out of dark dripping sewer drains was just another day in Mayberry.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 2 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,211,064
Kook is referencing the actual text of the novel and OP is crying and pointing at a youtube clip of a hollywood movie adaptation from 32 years after the novel was written 🥱
> Kook is referencing the actual text of the novel
As am I. In the novel there is a clown in a dark, dripping storm drain. Kook's contention is that this would not have been startling to a child in the 50s. "He looked like a cross between Clarabell and Bozo!" she says. "Not at all scary at first!"
To which my response has been "Kook sweetie, it doesn't matter if he looked like a cross between Bambi and the Easter Bunny. Repeat the crucial part of the issue after me: HE. IS. LURKING. IN. A. FUCKING. SEWAGE. PIPE"
Nevertheless we have agreed to disagree. Kook still contends that was just something clowns did in the 50s. Maybe in Florida it's true.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,211,068
@1,211,065 (A)
I just know that kids are very bad at spotting danger and do dangerous things all of the time. They don't have a learned perspective of what is dangerous
In this scenario, kids don't have an automatic fear of clowns that we have now because of horror media. They grew up with TV shows that feature clowns (which is mentioned in the book) and had parties with clowns regularly
So a child approaching a clown isn't odd. Also Pennywise had powers to glamor and beguile children as mentioned in the book
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,211,069
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
You're still focusing on the fact he looked like a clown and not on WHERE he was. "A child approaching a clown isn't odd" may be true. A child approaching a clown talking to him out of a dark, dripping, sinister storm drain IS odd. I agree a child's antennae for danger are not accutely attuned to the necessary bandwidth of fear. Hence they may get into a stranger's car unless clearly warned otherwise, or wander off into woods. To which I can only repeat: the dude was lurking in a dark and dripping sewer. There is a limit to how oblivious to irregularity even children are.
Just rest your case with "the clown had magical powers" and leave it at that.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,211,071
@previous (A)
It IS a magic clown, idiot... so what's your point then? The MAGIC CLOWN CREATURE made the surroundings feel and smell like a festive carnival with a friendly clown. Clowns weren't considered something to be worried about! The book was set in 1950s! Kook's posts are relevant
Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 12 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,211,072
@1,211,069 (A)
Come, now! In the innocent 1950s, children delighted in growling clowns who had razor sharp, unnaturally-long fangs, glowing, yellow eyes, and who lived in sewers that reeked of death and destruction and begged children to climb down into the sewers with them. In fact, it was the most normal thing in the world.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,211,073
@1,211,069 (A)
I don't think a child seeing a clown in an odd place would automatically make him scarier. Children are curious by nature. Also he literally beguiled the child into seeing him as looking more non threatening and and smelling a fairground
Also television hadn't been a popular phenomenon until fairly recently. So this child was used to seeing a clown in a weird place. His living room
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 15 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,211,076
@1,211,072 (B)
"You" and OP are brain dead. Da magic clown don't be lookin' like no monster to dem kids, oh no no, it be lookin' like a nice friendly clown
> I don't think a child seeing a clown in an odd place would automatically make him scarier.
Not automatically, no. It would depend on the "odd place". Seeing a clown at a car wash? Probably wouldn't automatically make him scary. Seeing a clown buying a frozen pizza at Walmart? Again, odd but probably not scary. But seeing a clown in a dark, cavernous, echoing underground space? It would. For good evolutionary reasons children swiftly develop a 'fear' of the dark.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,211,080
@1,211,018 (G)
Omg yes Kook is so bad at text voices. There was a period where she was accusing random anons of being Catherine despite Catherine being one of the easiest people to detect.
> Also, he's likely seen a man working in a sewer as that's a common occurrence.
Is seeing men working inside storm drains another of these regular occurances of the 50s? Because I've never in my life, as child or adult, walked past a drain and seen a dude in there.
> The fact that the man was a clown isn't that different to me
You're a nutcase sweetheart. Let's just leave it at that, we've both said our piece.
> If you have, you clearly dont remember much of it
I remember it very well. Paragraph-long descriptions from Bev's perspective of the sizes and feel of a chain of 12-year-old dicks is something that is now rightly frowned upon. More so than use of the word "clit".
> Usually when I see people talking about the group sex scene, I assume they read about that on Twitter or reddit and I'm usually right
Well on this occasion you're wrong. And I'll say one last time, if you haven't read the book, do so, it's very good despite its foibles.
> Thank you, I know. Many people here don't have a firm grasp on the human condition
The "human condition" whose circumvention your entire argument rests upon with "oh well, he had magical powers so it makes sense why Georgie would do that"?
> The use of the word clit was a monster in the form of her father, threatening to rape her
I know. It's horrifying, I agree. But there's a reason 99% of readers accept that as "horror" in a horror novel (wherein Alvin's sexual abuse of Bev is implied) whereas the gangbang scene is just plain horrible.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#1,211,168
@1,211,111 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
In seriousness Kook, you actually convinced me. You argued your point well and I've decided you're right on this point and I'm wrong.