Anonymous A started this discussion 3 years ago#107,718
Why do you think the entirety of the east rejects homosexuality?
1st world or 3rd, everything east of Istanbul rejects gay marriage in their legal system with the exception of Taiwan. Even that is new, the law changed 3 years ago.
Are all of these nations hateful problematic bigots?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 9 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,209,920
@1,209,914 (D) @previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
This is the definition of xenophobia. The belief that all the cultures outside white western europe are inferior.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,209,945
@previous (B)
You brought it up in this thread first, so don't act like I was the one obsessed with her.
Kook is always accusing anons of being Catherine and won't say who she thinks I am, so it's obvious what's going on here.
Did you bother to support Catherine when she was building a new community at punychan? NO?! Then she probably doesn't even think about you, let alone post here. Thanks.
> You brought it up in this thread first, so don't act like I was the one obsessed with her. > > Kook is always accusing anons of being Catherine and won't say who she thinks I am, so it's obvious what's going on here. > > Did you bother to support Catherine when she was building a new community at punychan? NO?! Then she probably doesn't even think about you, let alone post here. Thanks.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 32 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,209,968
@1,209,965 (B)
In your implicit support of white supremacist ideals about sexuality. It's not okay to hate asians and africans because they haven't embraced LGBT ideology.
Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,209,975
@previous (A)
I think everyone is entitled to their own opinions and belief structures, and what other people think about them doesn't really change anything.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,209,976
@1,209,970 (F)
You think someone who hasn't been on here for years, is finding time to argue with you between their sysadmin work, hosting family, and sleep?
Anonymous B replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,006
@1,210,004 (A)
And saying you support these beliefs is saying repression of LGBTQ+ individuals is good/acceptable. Thanks for playing, Catherine, you xenophobe.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 44 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,017
@1,210,015 (B)
don't even bother, OP is hiding in the corner of their bedroom piss-pants scared that their older brother might mention something from the news
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,018
@1,210,008 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Japan has had western culture forced onto it by occupier governments since Matthew Perry, they have a reason to be fearful of more.
Tolerance of Homosexuality is part of the Japanese government currying favor with the American political and business interests that still control it.
Snowden revealed that the US was spending billions on a complete tap of all Japanese internet traffic for the intel community.
If America was being occupied and forced to adopt foreign cultures, then they would be justified in Xenophobia as well. No asian country is pushing sexual ideology on kook, so it is just hate.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,020
@1,210,015 (B)
They aren't being repressed, most can live their lives.
The government doesn't give them the legal recognition that was designed for couples starting families, people don't clap with someone announces they are gay, regular people are not going to call them by the opposite sex just because they feel like they are.
If I demand people refer to me as a cat, and congratulate me when I announce my kinks are they repressing me?
Lady D !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 31 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,043
@1,210,035 (A)
Here's a nice abstract about why oppression isn't always violent
Oppressive governments that use violence against citizens, e.g. murder and torture, are usually thought of as liable to armed revolutionary attack by the oppressed population. But oppression may be non-violent. A government may greatly restrict political rights and personal autonomy by using surveillance, propaganda, manipulation, strategic detention and similar techniques without ever resorting to overt violence. Can such regimes be liable to revolutionary attack? A widespread view is that the answer is ‘no’. On this view, unless a government is or is likely to turn violent, revolution against it is disproportional. After all, revolution would involve launching potentially lethal attacks against oppressors who do not threaten the lives and bodily integrity of their subjects but pose only lesser threats. I argue that this claim of disproportionality is false. Armed revolution against Stably Non-violent Oppressive Regimes (which are neither violent, nor are likely to become violent) can be proportional under some circumstances, thus they may be liable to revolutionary attack. My argument relies on the Responsibility-Sensitive Account of Proportionality. This account holds that responsibility for posing threats renders agents liable to greater defensive harms than the harms with which they threaten. Even if non-violent oppressive regimes do not threaten citizens with murder, serious physical injury, or enslavement, their responsibility for creating an environment in which citizens’ political rights and personal autonomy are extremely restricted may loosen the proportionality requirement of inflicting defensive harm and render them liable to revolutionary attack.
About the dogs fucking eachother. So the argument is an appeal to nature? What about human civilization is natural? Isn't the point to overcome nature? Are skyscrapers a fetish? What about cars? Oh I'm so hot for paved roads and infrastructure, it goes against nature and I love it
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 21 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,047
@1,210,043 (Lady D !Pool..v42s)
I never said homosexuality was wrong because it's unnatural.
I said any sex other than reproduction is a kink.
You can have your kinks, those are not inherently bad, but no one has to congratulate you or endorse it or validate it. When queers don't get validation, they cry "oppression".
Eastern cultures have every right to not validate kinks. That is not the same as active oppression.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 50 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,053
@1,210,050 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I never said kinks were bad, or that people had a moral duty to have as many kids as they can.
The number of kids I have isn't relevant, I never said it mattered myself.
I do support nations that want to encourage that, if increasing their population is a priority. Queer imperialism forced upon Japan has lowered it's working-age population, and I can respect the Japanese that want to push back against that.
It's you who has a black-and-white worldview and thinks the Japanese are bad because they have these values. The only one who hates 90% of the nations here is you.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,056
@previous (B)
There's certain irrefutable proof that 90% of nations aren't monstrous oppressive nations, rigorous sociological research that proves I'm right and you're wrong.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 41 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,065
@1,210,059 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Written by an anglo, lmao!
I know the English and their colonies are queer, and they project queerness onto the rest of the world.
Can you name a single source from Japan itself? I'm sure there are some old stories talking about a queer encounter, but they are rare and never became normalized until the west forced itself in.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,066
@1,210,063 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
I don't know how many kids I have, as I frequent many bars in foreign countries and don't keep in contact with all my old acquaintances.
Lady D !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,077
@1,210,047 (A)
I think your claim that any sex outside of reproduction is a kink to be false. I point to nature and ask if you think it is a kink in nature, and you say yes, but I also think that to be false. I never said the "appeal to nature" argument meant homosexual is bad, why did you jump to that defense?
Lady D !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 23 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,093
@1,210,084 (A)
And I believe up are using general language implying good and bad when referencing the act of reproduction as the result or lack there of of sex.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,096
@1,210,089 (Lady D !Pool..v42s)
Merriam webster says "unconventional sexual taste or behavior". Sex outside reproductive functions fits this.
If you associate unconventional sexual behavior with "bad", that's something you need to work out with a therapist. I never said or implied they were the same thing.
I did say governments and society at large does not need to congratulate or indulge it. Most countries do not endorse it, or punish it.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 39 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,154
@1,210,149 (Lady D !Pool..v42s)
The societies see sex as good when it creates a new citizen, they don't see the value in sex that doesn't lead to that.
So when citizens say "my gay relationship is valuable and should get tax benefits like straight relationships" the governments disagree, and the west tries to force them to provide these benefits to people who aren't accomplishing the goals of the institution.
Both cultures can exist peacefully IMO, but multiple posters have said 90% of the world's nations are bad for not supporting western notions of romance.
Lady D !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 51 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,156
@1,210,152 (A)
It all fell apart for me when I asked if you thought a male dog fucking another male dog was a kink and you said yes. If you don't recognize the literal projection of a human made concept onto the actions of an animal and why that doesn't make sense, then you're higher than I am.
The Appeal to Nature fallacy is when you say "this is good because it's natural" or "this is bad because it's natural", how could that have ever fit what I said?
Lady D !Pool..v42s replied with this 3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,162
@previous (A)
Because you're relating being transgender to being a kink. And when you justify that you refer to the natural process of having kids and STDs.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,163
@previous (Lady D !Pool..v42s)
Sex organs evolved for a particular function, but sometimes the neurological system diverges from the norm and people develop "kinks" where they don't utilize those organs for those functions.
That doesn't have to be negative, but it is fake and gay under the literal definitions of both.
> You brought it up in this thread first, so don't act like I was the one obsessed with her. > > Kook is always accusing anons of being Catherine and won't say who she thinks I am, so it's obvious what's going on here. > > Did you bother to support Catherine when she was building a new community at punychan? NO?! Then she probably doesn't even think about you, let alone post here. Thanks.
horny wolfman triple-posted this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,210,175
@1,210,065 (A)
it's pretty much the opposite. most countries in the western sphere of influence started shunning gays to keep up. Japan was pretty queer before that. mishima loved his classical sexy samurai boy love