Anonymous D double-posted this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,196,590
Also, most people in the real world understand the obvious fact that men have to compete for women and often fail, while women can sit back and pick whichever suitor they like best.
Kook gets into fights by denying common sense, and insisting on an ideology that is inherently incoherent.
Anonymous D replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,196,607
@1,196,593 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
More proof that feminists use sexual shaming, and put all value on someone’s partner count.
You could have responded to the arguments before with statistics to back up your point, instead its the typical “male virgins bad, chads virtuous”.
There are plenty of married men that speak out against hypergamous hookup culture, its good for no one. There are also many women that think traditional relationships are healthier for everyone including women.
Calling people sexually inept is a juvenile response to an actual social problem in society. It’s the only way to respond when your theories about the world aren’t rooted in reality, and can’t be backed up.
squeegee replied with this 3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,196,624
@1,196,590 (D)
Actually, yes, I agree with you. I've been on both sides. Men actually get to PICK who they show interest in. But women have the CHOICE as to which suitor is selected. There is affirmation from both, but women don't pick the dating pool, men do, women select from that subset of men who place themselves into the options. Men have to be very, very available as often as possible. Because its a numbers game. Women have to be extremely selective, but always have options, because it is on her ultimately to make the best choices.
Both can fuck up, men can pick poor pools to compete in, and women can choose with poor criteria.
But that's a social problem as much as an individual problem.
You have to be excellent, and also know what you DON'T bring to the table. You have to know yourself very well, and be honest about it to yourself. Self delusion is not what gets you laid. It's what leaves you fucked.
squeegee replied with this 3 years ago, 12 seconds later, 49 minutes after the original post[^][v]#1,196,627
@1,196,617 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Actually, denying your partners needs is not a right. That's a divorce decree. Remaining together is not a right. It's a priviledge.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 5 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,648
@1,196,635 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
You’ve said that sexless men aren’t good at sex, in reality it wouldn’t matter how good all men are because women would still pick the top 20% regardless.
Most men are in a situation where they don’t get a partner, and only get to pretend they have one as long as they keep the payments going.
Forced monogamy still lets women get an appropriate partner. The hottest, nicest, smartest women could pick the hottest, nicest, smartest men. Shitty men would lose out to Better men getting their (one and only) partner.
Forced monogamy would eliminate a woman’s ability to pull way above her league, and emotionally manipulate and exploit men for profit. That’s the real reason women are against it.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,667
@1,196,662 (H)
It’s not egalitarian, feminists don’t want to see equality of gender in bad jobs, or men and women contributing equally to relationships.
Feminism has built a society where sex can be used to exploit men to the highest possible degree.
Taking material support from men is encouraged, defrauding men is fine, they are against equal gender representation in bad jobs or prisons. Women don’t fight in wars or have gender nuetral alimony laws to worry about. Most premature deaths are men.
Feminism is a female supremacist movement that preaches conspiracy theories (The patriarchy secretly ruling us made women be catty to each other with cultural conditioning, etc).
True egalitarians wouldn’t be saying one group is inherently bad, yet this is a core tenet of feminism. Men oppress, and women are mere victims. All the stats showing the opposite are to be ignored.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,672
@previous (F)
And now the exploited group is fighting back. Oh no
I said sex should be incentivised and you said that wasn't fair
Crime is not at an all time high even though celibacy is.
Also places where men have even less sex (like Japan) have even less crime. So I don't agree with most of your points
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,676
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC) > I said sex should be incentivised and you said that wasn't fair
Witholding affection to extract material resources is exploitation. Since it can only happen in one direction it leads to inequality of genders, women have power and resources based on sex not character.
Exploitation of one group by another is wrong, even when it’s women doing it.
Anonymous C double-posted this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,683
@1,196,672 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
celibacy is high cause of roe v wade tho. Ur not straight so u may have not heard about the BOYcott. It's real. I am literally swimming in offers, and I have to avoid social media where people who fuck spend their time. True story.
> I think its exploitation whne one group is getting off and the other is not
This is still premised on the idea that men are rejected for bad sex, when they are not having sex in the first place.
It doesnt matter if you can make a woman cum in 10 seconds if your hieght or income disqualifies you and half the population before you ever flirt.
> Why should women risk pregnancy if they don't even cum from it?
Men and women both try to reproduce, women don’t need to cum to make that happen but men do.
Again, doesnt matter if every man can do it fine, most will still be rejected before it gets to that point.
> Also many men have power and resources based on physical attributes and not character
Only a small minority of men. Any woman can use being a woman to exploit men.
> And once again, I've known men you wouldn't talk to who have girlfriends that love them
Never said this didnt happen. I am saying it’s a myth this is how the average guy lives. tThe typical man is only able to date by allowing himself to be exploited.
squeegee replied with this 3 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,691
@1,196,684 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Wut. Now wait. Hold up. Hold up. As a gay u lack the perspective of even former males. And I can assure you, women orgasm from sex with penises. You can literally feel the contraction and see pupils dilate, and there are other reflexive throes that really can only be faked if you've had them reflexively and know what you're emulating. And this is a hill you will have to murder me on, because its a fact, ladies, someone with kooks plumbing back me up. And guys, u know what I'm talking about. Yeah?
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,694
@1,196,690 (F)
1. They are rejected for a history of bad sex as a gender and because women risk getting pregnant from that bad sex. So sex must be incentivised (which you don't believe in)
I understand how reproduction works
2. The average man is stronger than the average woman. Men as a whole commit more crimes in general than women and specifically more crimes against women than women commit against men
3. The average guy gets a lot of benefits from having a partner and doesn't consider it to be exploitation. In fact single men are much less happy than single women
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,699
@1,196,691 (squeegee)
It’s not a good faith argument.
The whole system is designed in a way that most men will be without a partner no matter their character. She can’t admit that, because it garners sympathy.
So instead you create a make believe situation where all these men are refusing to touch a clit, because then its their fault and its ok to enjoy their suffering.
Women will justify this system because it lets low quality women get attention from high quality men, and provides a lucrative material benefit for most women. Admitting its exploitation is the first step towards losing the benefits of that system, so the only response anyone will get from femjnists is passive aggressive insults like “men can’t make women cum”.
squeegee replied with this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,711
@1,196,686 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
And like, hear me out. Female "erectile dysfunction" is similar to men that can't be aroused be attempting intercourse. Men can try to have sex and not perform to orgasm, and this is a medical, a resolvable medical issue. Women can also fail to be aroused, and not perform to orgasm. And this is.... Normal for them? No. That is also a medical problem, but, there is no accepted "cure," but, hear me out, anti depressants have some efficacy there. But, also a rate of causation.
It's a brain neurotransmitter issue in some cases. Or structural problem. Or arousal problem, i,e, it's in you mind. Orgasm takes your body, your sex organs, your emotions and your frame of mind, to achieve complete arousal, and Climax. This is true. And. AND, viagra does show some small efficacy in women, but that is off label, and under studied.
squeegee replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,718
@1,196,696 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Uh. No, no, no, I have quite a bit of experience in this area, I assure you, you are quite misinformed. By a large measure.
> 1. They are rejected for a history of bad sex as a gender and because women risk getting pregnant from that bad sex. So sex must be incentivised (which you don't believe in)
I do believe in incentivizing it, thats part of monogamy.
Dont want an average woman partner? Become a better than average man. Only pulling the worst women? In a monogamous society that means you are at the same level, and its on you to improve.
In a hypergamous society men can do everything right and still have no one to court while most women join informal harems.
> 2. The average man is stronger than the average woman.
That mattered before legal systems made that obsolete. Men are arrested on accusations of domestic abuse, they can’t actually take advantage of this.
> Men as a whole commit more crimes in general than women
Yes, as a direct result of material conditions. Men have to take risks to pass on their genes or simply give up and get weeded out. Naturally only the ones that take risks end ip existing because they inheret that instinct from the peoplw that reproduced. It’s a law of the universe.
A law that wouldn’t cause problems if men knew they could gurantee their genetic survival by working hard and acting civilized. We dont have that society, though.
> 3. The average guy gets a lot of benefits from having a partner and doesn't consider it to be exploitation. In fact single men are much less happy than single women
Because men have evolved to worry about finding a partner, and women havent needed to do that. Testosterone (or a similar hormone) likely makes men prone to want partnership more. Women understand the desperation, and exploit it for their own gain.
Anonymous F double-posted this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,728
@1,196,703 (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Only because most men would rather be exploited than single.
Having a girlfriend doesn’t mean they avoided the dynamics. Both partners will know who has the power to walk away, and women will use that knowledge to manipulate and exploit their partners. Should a man ever try to do the same, the woman can walk knowing another man will quickly take his place.
Anonymous F replied with this 3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,733
@previous (Kook !!rcSrAtaAC)
Below average men have to sacrifice everything to provide, and tolerate abuse. If they don’t, his partner can find someone else to fuck her and pay for her lifestyle within days.
It’s not a coincidence men are the breadwinners while stay at home moms can relax all day.
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#1,196,736
@previous (F)
They absolutely don't. You must not know very many people at all
Also regarding sexual orientation. Why does that even come into play if women are not attracted to these so called "low value" men? You still expect women to fuck them
squeegee replied with this 3 years ago, 46 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,749
@1,196,699 (F)
Well, no, most men are not walking around alone though either. That isn't true. Most people do form relationships, but almost no one is perpetually in a relationship. At any given time some segment of people are either in, or in between relationships. But almost everyone forms relationships in their lives. There is no majority of permanently lonely single men out there. That is likely a resolvable psychological situation if someone lives that way in an enduring way.
This is the truth. And I would advise looking into counseling, and giving that a genuine purposeful intentional effort way, way, WAY before accepting the condition you suggest is typical. There's nothing to lose, and everything to gain. But accepting the view that that is how nature or society works by default.... Thats a guaranteed loss. For real.
If u can cum - go see a doctor. Probably gyno. And say help.
If you can't find a partner - go see a doctor. Probably a therapist, relationship counselor?
I mean, maybe y'all should both revaluate your perspectives and explore options you've neglected to try.
Like. Dont suicide before trying something less drastic. At least sell everything and take all you worth and go live it up till its gone, maybe in that last ditch effort to make tomorrow worth waiting for, you find something unexpected that makes a new life for you.
Dont accept that you CAN'T. Go down swinging at least, don't defeat yourself. God damnit. Kook, you'll fight the stupidest most pointless fights to complete embarrassment. But you won't fight yor self for pleasure? You're a fucking loser, I don't care if you think you look like one or think you look like a tough bitch. Ur a fucking loser.
And dude, you're a fucking simp. Okay? U don't have to be. But you gotta get out of your idiot head, like kook. You're both boring, and you're both sitting here like nobodies slumping you shoulders and being defeatest cowards.
Kook, go fuck and cook dinner and clean the house like a woman, do your part, get off of this pathetic excuse you have hot a life of crying and being a dumb ass gold digger. Go fuck the partner u love, or get out of her way.
And dude, fuck ur narrow minded men are losers shit, ur a loser because you do loser shit and are afraid to not be alone. Fuck you, grow a spine, and either go get laid just, go talk to women all the time everywhere untill one fucks you. You won't be chosen as long as you in a dating pool you pick thats alone at you pc talking to fucking idiot kook about shit y'all both are too ignorant to
My fiancée is here. Go see a counselor, get a girlfriend, lame ass, or ur just a lame ass and thats ur fault,
Kook. Stop being the kind of person that this asshole over here is. Ur the lamest person, and a gold digging bullshit artist, AND YOU BOTH ARE SAD PATHETIC LAME SELF DELUDED IGNORANT and selfish cowards.
Go, live a life. Its not here. Goodbye. I won't sit here with bunch of losers and end up like you two. Take notes when I do this. Okay.
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,751
@1,196,699 (F)
you aren't making any sense. if 80% of all women are in competition for only the top 20% of men... how is that a scenario that "lets low quality women get attention from high quality men". your imaginary scenario would be an absolute dream for men
Kook !!rcSrAtaAC replied with this 3 years ago, 25 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,763
@1,196,749 (squeegee)
Also imagine a person who has never had a vagina, telling a vagina person about vaginal orgasms, because the sex workers they used to fuck, totally weren't faking it
Anonymous H double-posted this 3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,768
@1,196,754 (J)
how would your envisioned state-enforced monogamy scheme work? are there incentives to being monogamous or just punishments for non-compliance?
You can’t count on surrogates to replace normal human reproduction at this point. Social instability and radical political movements are a more likely reaction to feminism.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,801
@previous (H)
Few people could ever afford to hire a surrogate, Burger King does not pay enough to cover that.
You are saving $10K a year if everything goes right, that’s age 27 if you sacrifice everything at age 18 for this sole purpose.
Meanwhile women would pop out chad clones and you’ll be paying taxes to support that slowing down your own reproduction as taxes eat up more of your income.
Anonymous J replied with this 3 years ago, 20 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,804
@previous (H)
A man with one kid already is distracted, natural instincts fullfilled enough. Giving him 10 more from his harem doesn’t pacify new citizens.
Monogamy spreads out resources so everyone can focus on getting the young ones off to grammar school.
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,822
@previous (J)
the woman is someone's child, you know? when she reproduces she is continuing a man's bloodline, which seems to be the most important thing in your mind
Anonymous H replied with this 3 years ago, 10 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#1,196,907
@previous (M)
it's not a strawman because it's all you've been babbling about. envious of other men because you couldn't manage to work at burger king for a few years to carry on your bloodline